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[HTTP 404]

I didn't know bioware was in the catering business. The masses are hungry though....for some catering....


In all seriousness, I dont think its going to be as bad, OP.  Also you are definitely jumping to conclusions here.  Silverman was addressing one thing, Im sure he would say something different when it addresses old fans.  Either way you are blowing things way out of proportion.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 09 août 2011 - 03:20 .

[CBKeffer]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Right, just ignore the troll folks. The guy doesn't even post here unless he's trying to get a rise out of people, move along.

Riiight.

So me coming in here saying that someone is out of line calling a BW employee a "liar", "full of crap" and a "drone" makes me a troll right?

What a mighty fine contribution you are to these forums and the human gene pool.

No, but the inflamatory wording of your posts can easily be construed that way. That said, I don't think he's outright lying either, he never says that there will be no romances, he says "who cares" this tells me that, just like the previous installments, you are not obligated to persue a LI. As for the past decisions not really mattering, from this and the fact that they have already said they will be making an interactive comic like they did for the PS3, that the important decisions will be available to new players via that format, and the others will just add depth to the world rather than make or break the end reslt of the game.

[didymos1120]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

I'm sick of people like you.

No, sorry.  You don't get to dictate when and where anyone but yourself is allowed to post.

[Badpie]

tomorrowstation wrote...

Silverman's promoting, that's all. Talking to people who don't know what Mass Effect is. We aren't his audience in this instance.

My concern is just how much are we the audience at all?  

[Veex]

ratzerman wrote...

But he IS OFFICIAL. That's the whole problem. The head of marketing at Bioware pretty much just said "LOLromances."

He did, you're right, but not in isolation. In comparison to a war threatening galactic extinction, yeah, lolromances. Context is important and there is a time and place for everything.

[Kel_Sjet]

CBKeffer wrote...


No, but the inflamatory wording of your posts can easily be construed that way.

Right, coz I should remember to gently treat and give respect to people who feel entitled to the point where they can outright call a professional working for a company "full of ****" on that very company's forums, right?

/rollseyes


If these guys wanna act like the tough guys they are, why doesn't every single one of them stop hiding behind the anonymity and post their names, addresses and workplaces so that we can go to their place of work (this is the official bw forum after all) and stand in the lobby calling them 'liars' and 'full of ****'.

Wonder how they will treat us then.

[Ieldra]

Did he say Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago? Er...last I heard ME1 camse out 2007. If this is any indication of how Mr. Silverman handles facts it's no wonder he comes across as if talking from an alternate universe.

Having said that, I understand the stance. It's one he must take. Usually sequels don't outsell their predecessors, because most people don't want to jump in in the middle or the end. So marketing-wise, Bioware has an uphill fight against disinterest on grounds of being a sequel. They must do everything to avoid the impression that you must have played ME1 (and ME2) in order to enjoy ME3. Apart from that, gameplay-wise the claim might just be true - I think ME3's combat mechanics will be significantly better than ME2's, and they might just have something new added in other areas as well.

Regarding the story, obviously it is better to have played ME1 and ME2. But everyone knows that, even the prospective newcomers know that. It doesn't need to be mentioned. If Bioware wants ME3 to outsell ME2 - and I think it might be worth outselling ME2 - then they need to put some emphasis on the fact that people can enjoy ME3 without having played ME1 and ME2. They don't need to win the old fans over. We are already sold on the game. Most of us anyway. Silverman's talk is aimed at prospective newcomers, and if that talk gets more people into Mass Effect, I'm fine with it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2011 - 03:28 .

[Whatever42]

Badpie wrote...

tomorrowstation wrote...

Silverman's promoting, that's all. Talking to people who don't know what Mass Effect is. We aren't his audience in this instance.

My concern is just how much are we the audience at all?  

Bioware has given us established players a huge amount of information about development specifically catered to our feedback. Just check out Phaedon's features thread. 

Again, from the article you posted:

"Since the established fan base doesn’t need any more reason to get hyped for the game’s launch, it’s players who have been somewhat intimidated by the size and scale of the series being targeted by statements like these. And for those who have been thinking of hopping in for Mass Effect 3, it’s good to know that the game will be just as satisfying."

They are trying to attact new players into the franchise and they are simply re-assuring them that steps have been taken to ensure that they can play the game stand-alone. Things will be explained. They will be caught up. He doesn't say anything more than that.

And again, go find the threads where Bioware writers talk about the challenges they have in evolving our decisions and past plot points. Its a major thing for them. 

[Elvis_Mazur]

First Mass Effect came almost eight years ago? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Badpie]

Veex wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

But he IS OFFICIAL. That's the whole problem. The head of marketing at Bioware pretty much just said "LOLromances."

He did, you're right, but not in isolation. In comparison to a war threatening galactic extinction, yeah, lolromances. Context is important and there is a time and place for everything.

The romances are very important to a lot of returning fans.  As a marketing person, Silverman should know this.  I've no doubt the man knows how to do his job.  I don't feel like he's just tossing words around willy nilly.  So when he indicates that something like romances aren't very important I have to believe him.  Everyone understands that the main story, the war story is the big major important thing - but it's always been the little things like the subplot, romances, characters and over all narrative  for example that have made Bioware games really special.  To feel like he's dismissing those things is troubling to me.

[tomorrowstation]

Badpie wrote...

tomorrowstation wrote...

Silverman's promoting, that's all. Talking to people who don't know what Mass Effect is. We aren't his audience in this instance.

My concern is just how much are we the audience at all?  

We're the community, and we don't bail just because the Mayor says something nutty every once in a while.

Look at it like this. Silverman is the guy who promotes the game to people unfamiliar with ME series. Casey Hudson is (not titled) the marketing guy for those people who know ME inside and out. It's not his job to do that, but who outside the community would follow Casey's tweets? That is our marketing and promotion there.  They are talking to different groups of people, catering to each group's informational needs.

People unfamiliar with ME need to hear that they can jump in at ME3 and live to talk about it..

We need to hear that  Shep gets to punch a reporter again.

Modifié par tomorrowstation, 09 août 2011 - 03:37 .

[marshalleck]

Hopefully romances are swept under the rug. They've taken on too much prominence in Bioware games thanks to an extremely loud and obnoxious minority of Bioware's fanbase.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 03:40 .

[CBKeffer]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

CBKeffer wrote...


No, but the inflamatory wording of your posts can easily be construed that way.

Right, coz I should remember to gently treat and give respect to people who feel entitled to the point where they can outright call a professional working for a company "full of ****" on that very company's forums, right?

/rollseyes

No, but civility goes a long ways towards getting your opinions actually heard out rather than dismissed out of hand as the ramblings of a troll. *shrug* it is what it is man.

[ratzerman]

Veex wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

But he IS OFFICIAL. That's the whole problem. The head of marketing at Bioware pretty much just said "LOLromances."

He did, you're right, but not in isolation. In comparison to a war threatening galactic extinction, yeah, lolromances. Context is important and there is a time and place for everything.

But he was using "love affairs" as an example of past decisions, and he shrugged them off. I'm not trying to put words in his mouth, or take his comments out of context. But he sort of said, "who's got time to worry about past decisions? There's killing to do!"

[Midnight Reyn]

tomorrowstation wrote...

We're the community, and we don't bail just because the Mayor says something nutty every once in a while.

Look at it like this. Silverman is the guy who promotes the game to people unfamiliar with ME series. Casey Hudson is (not titled) the marketing guy for those people who know ME inside and out. It's not his job to do that, but who outside the community would follow Casey's tweets? That is our marketing and promotion there.  They are talking to different groups of people, catering to each group's informational needs.

people unfamiliar with ME need to hear that they can jump in at ME3 and live to talk about it..

We need to hear that that Shep gets to punch a reporter again.

Casey Hudson has also stated in a recent interview that he doesn't "consider (myself) an RPG developer" and that in Mass Effect 3, "we’ve come full-circle in terms of capturing an amazing 3rd person shooter experience"

So - as an RPG fan myself - who's talking to me again?

[Babli]

Silverman really rubs me the wrong way.

[Buckwheat530]

While I fully understand that you need to market the game as accessible to new players and I don't begrudge Bioware for trying to entice said new players... they really seemed to have missed that these new players won't be paying attention to the game until after it is released. Marketing for ME3 hasn't solely focused on appeasing to new players, but it has been mentioned a lot.

Now if I fully believed what Silverman is saying, I would be worried. What I realize is that this is similar to how they marketed ME2. "We want to make this the perfect entry point into the series" was a line I heard even Casey Hudson say more than once in regards to ME2. ME2 was a great game, ME3 will be a great game. I have no doubt of that.

[Kel_Sjet]

CBKeffer wrote...
No, but civility goes a long ways towards getting your opinions actually heard out rather than dismissed out of hand as the ramblings of a troll. *shrug* it is what it is man.

The only person who would even dare to outright dismiss what I'm saying are the very people I'm reprimanding. By the very definition that they are so far out of line, if they dismiss it because I am not sugar coating what I'm saying with flowery language then they would have dismissed it anyway.

I am 100% certain that I don't need to have my "opinion heard" by someone who already understands that it is extremely bad form to call someone full of sh!t, a liar and a drone. I don't need to convince those people.

[tomorrowstation]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

tomorrowstation wrote...

We're the community, and we don't bail just because the Mayor says something nutty every once in a while.

Look at it like this. Silverman is the guy who promotes the game to people unfamiliar with ME series. Casey Hudson is (not titled) the marketing guy for those people who know ME inside and out. It's not his job to do that, but who outside the community would follow Casey's tweets? That is our marketing and promotion there.  They are talking to different groups of people, catering to each group's informational needs.

people unfamiliar with ME need to hear that they can jump in at ME3 and live to talk about it..

We need to hear that that Shep gets to punch a reporter again.

Casey Hudson has also stated in a recent interview that he doesn't "consider (myself) an RPG developer" and that in Mass Effect 3, "we’ve come full-circle in terms of capturing an amazing 3rd person shooter experience"

So - as an RPG fan myself - who's talking to me again?

As a fellow RPG fan, and as a 3rd person shooter fan, I hope his full circle thing pans out for us.

[Village_Idiot]

This thread again?

It's just marketing spin. "True fans" shouldn't lose faith at what is just a hook for new players.

They're hardly going to say "this game should only be played after the player has finished Mass Effect 1 and 2, read all the expanded universe books, bought all the lithographs and erected a small Tali shrine in their basement".

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 09 août 2011 - 03:53 .

[didymos1120]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Casey Hudson has also stated in a recent interview that he doesn't "consider (myself) an RPG developer" and that in Mass Effect 3, "we’ve come full-circle in terms of capturing an amazing 3rd person shooter experience"

Nice quotemining there.  Actual statements by Hudson in context (your snippets in red, particulary relevant stuff you left out in green):

What do you see as the biggest, or perhaps most unexpected changes in Mass Effect 3 compared to the original Mass Effect?

The feel and intensity of combat is one of the things people will take people by surprise.  I think we’ve come full-circle in terms of capturing an amazing 3rd person shooter experience in a game where you also control a diverse squad and have access to spectacular powers. There’s really nothing in the world like ME3 combat. We also are going places in the story that are bigger, more shocking, and more emotionally powerful than we’ve ever done before. It’s a pretty amazing range from gigantic action scenes down to the most delicate personal moments, and I think players are going to have an experience unlike anything they’ve played before.

What do you see as the current holy grail for RPGs right now?

To be honest, I don’t know.  I never consider myself an RPG developer, and I don’t really worry about traditional genre conventions other than our own goals for making a great game. Typically our goals - creating interactive story, compelling progression, intense combat, and exploration -result in games that are classified as RPGs. But my intention is always to make the best possible story-driven games, and for me and my team, the next great design that we’re excited about is what we’re doing with ME3.

Also worth quoting this other response earlier in that interview:

Much is made of the information ported in saves between games - how significant are those profiles in Mass Effect 3 and how do you ensure things like DLC packs have an impact even though not everyone plays them?

We designed ME3 to be able to handle all different kinds of player backgrounds, whether you’re totally new to the ME universe or you have played every game and DLC so far.  Each experience, and the choices inside it, simply set different situations and outcomes that you’ll experience in ME3.  The result is that if you have had a deep experience with decisions in past games, you’ll see those having real impacts on the ME3 storyline.  But if you’re coming with no prior experience with the series, ME3 introduces itself to you in a way that’s custom-designed for you.

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 août 2011 - 03:59 .

[marshalleck]

Crocoduck once again saves the day!

[CBKeffer]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

CBKeffer wrote...
No, but civility goes a long ways towards getting your opinions actually heard out rather than dismissed out of hand as the ramblings of a troll. *shrug* it is what it is man.

The only person who would even dare to outright dismiss what I'm saying are the very people I'm reprimanding. By the very definition that they are so far out of line, if they dismiss it because I am not sugar coating what I'm saying with flowery language then they would have dismissed it anyway.

I am 100% certain that I don't need to have my "opinion heard" by someone who already understands that it is extremely bad form to call someone full of sh!t, a liar and a drone. I don't need to convince those people.

....then why did you say it? Just saying man, if you aren't trying to convince those people, then yelling at them and alling them lying ****s just makes you come off as a raving lunatic to those who you actually stand a chance of convincing. Debate 101 man, yelling at people does nothing to convince you audience that you are right, it only convinces them that you are angry. Instead, refrenceing the rest of the article, pointing out what it means in context and showing that what he said isn't a sudden contradiction to every thing the rest of the Bio Ware team has said up until now will do a lot more to convince people that maybe he really does know what he's talking about and isn't just pulling stuff out of his ass in an attempt to appeal to the EXPLOSIONS! and AWESOME BUTTON!!!! crowd at the expense of alienating everyone who has played the games up untill now (which is not an insignificant number of people and would be a poor business decision).

[Blooddrunk1004]

www.youtube.com/watch 
Silverman talked exactly the same at Dragon Age 2. He completely ignored and bashed everything about Origins and praised everything for sequel.  He is doing same crap with Mass Effect 3.
Just watch interview and compare it to this one, its Déjà vu

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 09 août 2011 - 03:54 .