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[tomorrowstation]

geekeffect wrote...

The first Star Wars movie I ever saw was Return of the Jedi. I was really young at the time and I was overwhelmed by the whole experience. So yeah, if I'm allowed to establish the parallel, it was a good entry point into the trilogy. Later on I saw the previous movies and loved them of course, but that doesn't mean I couldn't enjoy Return of the Jedi when I was a kid.
Having said that, of course it's marketing. But that doesn't mean that new players can't enjoy ME3 as a first experience. Maybe they won't enjoy it in the same way those of us who've been playing it from the start will, but that doesn't mean they can't enjoy it as well. And there are many accounts of fans who started with ME2 and then decided to get the first game to experience the whole thing.
So, it all comes down to "whatever works", really. As long as new gamers are enjoying Mass Effect and making the fanbase stronger for the future, it's all good news to me.

I had the same experience with Terminator 2. I hadn't seen the first, and I was OK. Continuity police didn't cite me or anything.

[GodWood]

"We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007.

Fail maths

[Rogue Unit]

Mass Effect. Came out eight years ago. That's funny, considering there weren't even XBOX 360s on the market 8 years ago.

[The Twilight God]

They said the same thing about ME2. They'll say it about 3. They'll continue saying it about 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 , 10, etc. Such comments only serve to attract people who would otherwise not buy a story driven game without knowing the backstory.

Anyone with half a brain knows you cannot make a 3rd installment the best place to enter the series. The game begins with Shepard on trail for things in previous games and a surprise attack by an enemy your character already knew was coming. Characters are (mostly) all previously known and come with a pre-history and baggage. It's just marketing bs.

[Badpie]

tomorrowstation wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Gorosaur wrote...

Badpie wrote...

My point, again is that the entire marketing campaign for the game right now is aimed at new players.

Youre already a Mass Effect fan, yes? You will most likely buy the game regardless of what is said by the marketing team. Now, new players that dont know anything about Mass Effect? Thats the group that Bioware's team needs to focus on.

This is my point exactly.  It feels like Bioware is saying "we don't need to worry about returning fans. They'll buy it anyway.  We don't need to make them happy.  They'll be happy with whatever we give them."

And that's just not true.

Of course "They'll be happy with whatever we give them" just isn't true. Because they didn't say that.

It's not Bioware's job to make you feel happy.

No, it's their job to sell me their game just as much as it is their job to sell it to new people.  Any possible assumption that we're all just gonna eat out of their hands because they've already hooked us years ago is preposterous and insulting.  I'm not even assuming that's what they mean to do.  What I am saying is that stuff like this article and the major push to new fans is not encouraging.

I didn't like much of the way they marketed ME2 and as it turns out, there were in fact things about ME2 that I didn't like - that I felt went in a direction I didn't care for.  Ultimately I still loved the game, but I loved it less than ME1.  I don't want to like ME3 less than ME2 and to be honest if they don't sell it to me, or I don't feel like they really care about selling it to me, I'm not going to feel like it has the things I want to buy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Take comfort in the fact that they actually said the same thing about ME2.

[Big_Chief]

 Heh. If it's market speak, it's not really doing its job. Marketing isn't supposed to make me less interested in a game. Which is a problem Bioware has had as far back as DA1.

[darknoon5]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Take comfort in the fact that they actually said the same thing about ME2.

This.

Of course the end isn't a good starting point in a trilogy, but DS' job is marketing. He has to sell the game to as many as possible, and that includes people in the shooter crowd who haven't played ME1 or ME2. I know some people who only played ME2, or played ME2 before playing ME1. Hey, I played Half-Life 2 before Half-life haha, it's not the smartest thing to do but people still do it if they think the games looks appealing enough.

Also DS' isn't bad at his job. He's enthusiastic and all marketing talk is usually not paticularly appealing to hardcore fans and quite exagerrated. He's not as bad as Peter Molyneux.

Also, remember the lead up to ME3's announcement? Was intriguing and fooled people into thinking it wasn't ME3, though I'm not entirely sure he was behind that, it seems likely.

Modifié par darknoon5, 09 août 2011 - 04:44 .

[Gorosaur]

Badpie wrote...

tomorrowstation wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Gorosaur wrote...

Badpie wrote...

My point, again is that the entire marketing campaign for the game right now is aimed at new players.

Youre already a Mass Effect fan, yes? You will most likely buy the game regardless of what is said by the marketing team. Now, new players that dont know anything about Mass Effect? Thats the group that Bioware's team needs to focus on.

This is my point exactly.  It feels like Bioware is saying "we don't need to worry about returning fans. They'll buy it anyway.  We don't need to make them happy.  They'll be happy with whatever we give them."

And that's just not true.

Of course "They'll be happy with whatever we give them" just isn't true. Because they didn't say that.

It's not Bioware's job to make you feel happy.

No, it's their job to sell me their game just as much as it is their job to sell it to new people.  Any possible assumption that we're all just gonna eat out of their hands because they've already hooked us years ago is preposterous and insulting.  I'm not even assuming that's what they mean to do.  What I am saying is that stuff like this article and the major push to new fans is not encouraging.

I didn't like much of the way they marketed ME2 and as it turns out, there were in fact things about ME2 that I didn't like - that I felt went in a direction I didn't care for.  Ultimately I still loved the game, but I loved it less than ME1.  I don't want to like ME3 less than ME2 and to be honest if they don't sell it to me, or I don't feel like they really care about selling it to me, I'm not going to feel like it has the things I want to buy.

Okay. What do you think the developer tweets and quotes regarding rpg elements, returning characters, improved gameplay, and story elements are meant for? They aren't ignoring old fans at all. You just seem to be hung up on the fact that they dare have the audacity to try and entice new players.

Its alot easier for a developer to say, hey play this game than say go all the way back to the first game we made four years ago play that, than play the next one,  THEN you can play this game.

Modifié par Gorosaur, 09 août 2011 - 04:44 .

[Adanu]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Silverman needs to be fired.

As it is, this one person is making me lose respect for Bioware slowly but surely enough to consider not buying any new games from them after ME3.

he's a car salesmen.  They are not supposed to be well liked.  As fans already, of course we dislike him but he isn't selling a product to us, he is selling the product to "others"

If I wanted to be able to sell tons of games, I don't hire a nice guy, I hire a guy like silverman.

And then you lose me as a customer.

[darknoon5]

Adanu wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Silverman needs to be fired.

As it is, this one person is making me lose respect for Bioware slowly but surely enough to consider not buying any new games from them after ME3.

he's a car salesmen.  They are not supposed to be well liked.  As fans already, of course we dislike him but he isn't selling a product to us, he is selling the product to "others"

If I wanted to be able to sell tons of games, I don't hire a nice guy, I hire a guy like silverman.

And then you lose me as a customer.

Oh please. Who dosen't buy a the third game in a trilogy they love becuase the marketing director has to appeal to as many as possible? Nearly as ridiculous as the person who isn't buying ME3 because apparently bioware doesn't care about continuity due to the Conrad bug.

[HTTP 404]

Adanu wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Silverman needs to be fired.

As it is, this one person is making me lose respect for Bioware slowly but surely enough to consider not buying any new games from them after ME3.

he's a car salesmen.  They are not supposed to be well liked.  As fans already, of course we dislike him but he isn't selling a product to us, he is selling the product to "others"

If I wanted to be able to sell tons of games, I don't hire a nice guy, I hire a guy like silverman.

And then you lose me as a customer.

adios...four other potential gamer money is as good as your one. 

Modifié par HTTP 404, 09 août 2011 - 04:47 .

[TwistedComplex]

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[Badpie]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Silverman needs to be fired.

As it is, this one person is making me lose respect for Bioware slowly but surely enough to consider not buying any new games from them after ME3.

he's a car salesmen.  They are not supposed to be well liked.  As fans already, of course we dislike him but he isn't selling a product to us, he is selling the product to "others"

If I wanted to be able to sell tons of games, I don't hire a nice guy, I hire a guy like silverman.

And then you lose me as a customer.

adios...four other potential gamer money is as good as your one. 

This is kind of the whole point I was trying to make, and what I hope isn't happening with Bioware.

Modifié par Badpie, 09 août 2011 - 04:54 .

[Whatever42]

I'm guessing that some people on this thread don't have any siblings.

[Gorosaur]

Just further proof of the idiocy on this forum.

[ThanesSniper]

Badpie wrote...

No, it's their job to sell me their game just as much as it is their job to sell it to new people.

Well then, it's a good thing this isn't the only quote/interview/gameplay footage/press conference about ME3. If you want the game sold to you, maybe you should watch the E3 footage and the trailers, and read the Casey Hudson tweets instead of this interview. Because there's been plenty of marketing so far, not just this interview.

Modifié par ThanesSniper, 09 août 2011 - 04:59 .

[SilentK]

I don't get the feeling that Bioware are catering to new players so I really don't see the worry.

They try to get the point across that new players will have fun as well. And I would say that a lot of the things that they are doing now is aimed at the previous players. All the Pulse-episodes and such. Don't know if a potential new player would be glued to the art-episode looking at all those companions that they never have meet before or the cosplay.

[marshalleck]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Take comfort in the fact that they actually said the same thing about ME2.

How is that comforting? ME2 was a reboot of the series. Will ME3 be another reboot?

[Badpie]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Going through this thread, it seems to be that it's really this:

"Bioware is marketing to new gamers and I have concerns don't like it! They should market (or to be more specific, cater) to me instead  also!"

There I fixed it with what is actually being said.

I'm also well aware of all the good and tasty things that have been said.  None of that is what I'm saying.

Modifié par Badpie, 09 août 2011 - 05:03 .

[Whatever42]

marshalleck wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Take comfort in the fact that they actually said the same thing about ME2.

How is that comforting? ME2 was a reboot of the series. Will ME3 be another reboot?

I think the majority opinion on BSN has long been that there will be a gameplay reboot. Usually, I'm a small minority in thinking that the reboot will be minor. 

It makes it hard to improve or change gameplay if you don't have somewhat of a reset. However, it's the story that's important to me. That won't be rebooted. No deaths this time, just a trial.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 09 août 2011 - 05:06 .

[jlb524]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Going through this thread, it seems to be that it's really this:

"Bioware is marketing to new gamers and I don't like it! They should market (or to be more specific, cater) to me instead!"

Oh, not this again.

I wouldn't speak considering you whine about BW adding in same-sex romances with the possibility of some of the old characters being open to it in ME3.

Selfish much?

[robarcool]

That marketing guy knows nothing about the game, that how it is dependent on its prequels. All he will ever say that it is epic and all that useless nonsense. I just hope he stays at merely saying these things and doesn't step into meddling with game design just because he thinks that it will look awesome and boost sales.