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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

They are going to catch up ME3 newbies with another interactive comic or some such device. That's all they mean. It's marketing drone speak.

The devs and writers have made it very clear that they have spent a lot of time resolving past decisions. So... STOP PANICKING!

This.

[Agamo45]

It's just marketing BS, at least I hope. They said the same thing about ME2 if you recall.

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Darkelefantos1 wrote...

Kel_Sjet wrote...

Here is a newsflash.
It is part of his job description that he cannot lie about the game. Sure, the can market some aspects more than others, but if he says "feature X or Y is not going to be part of the game", then it won't. That's just how professionalism works.
If he says "romances are not going to be a big part of ME3" then you better well believe it.


Why on earth, do tell me, should I believe you, a random faceless forum goer, over an actual BW employee?

1. I assume because history has shown that his statements are to be taken with big grains of salt.

2. That's bull actually. Part of successful marketing is also to lie to make the game look better, or to hide the truth so they can make it a special reveal. Saying that the marketing guy cannot lie about the game he's working for is like saying that politicians keep all the promises they make to get elected, it's naive.

Not lying. Exaggerating or emphasizing particular talking points instead of others. Also, a marketer isn't a politician up for re-election or trying to get voters, let alone trying to pass bills through congress. The comparison is thus not sound. 

[Badpie]

I want to also be clear that as far as polishing the game and improving combat and making it in that way "a great place to start" from a technical standpoint is fine and dandy. I'm not worried in the least bit about the combat or mechanics or the inventory or any of that stuff. All of that looks like it's going to be amazing and I have full confidence that Bioware is pulling out all the stops to make it that way.

My posts pretty much have to do with story/character/relationship aspects of the game. Because as much as I love the gameplay of Mass Effect and all the wonderful things that come with it - I play it for the story. And that's the truth. And I play it for the meaningful interactions with squad mates and other npcs and I want the story to grow with me as someone who feels like she's contributed to it.

Maybe it's just that Silverman's entire marketing technique totally rubs me the wrong way. It did for DA2 as well - and as it turns out I feel like DA2 was pretty representative of the marketing campaign that I hated.

Ultimately I hope the dev team already knows about these concerns, and the rest of the concerns within the community. I guess we'll see it when we see it. Until then though, these kinds of things are probably going to irk me.

Modifié par Badpie, 09 août 2011 - 06:09 .

[Dream Shot]

Agamo45 wrote...

It's just marketing BS, at least I hope. They said the same thing about ME2 if you recall.

Yeah, and look at how that turned out. But I digress

I think people are taking Silverman too lighty. He isn't a reporter for IGN or anything. He's an employee of Bioware. Sure, he'll probably exaggerate facts to entice a crowd, but nonetheless he cannot be outright lying. 

I'm not saying panic, but paying attention to further developments might be a good thing if you feel that something might be going in the wrong direction.

As for me, all I want is a Mass Effect that handles kind of like a steamlined version of the old KOTOR games, like the first one. Please don't make it into a generic shooter to appease the shooter-nuts. Honestly, there is enough of those to fill a sinkhole .

[didymos1120]

Dream Shot wrote...

Sure, he'll probably exaggerate facts to entice a crowd, but nonetheless he cannot be outright lying. 

No, but marketing and advertisements can get awfully close to it and still be within legal bounds.

[littlezack]

Not to nitpick, but in what way was the first Mass Effect like a streamlined version of KotoR?

[Dream Shot]

@Diddymos1120
Take what he says into consideration, nonetheless.

@littlezack
Essentially, it played the same but had an updated story partly because it wasn't based off an already established storyline, and it (obviously) looked better.

[ratzerman]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Who is panicking?
Are we running around screaming, "OMG ASHDFLASDFJALSKDJFALSDKJFALSDHFALSKDJFASD?!?!?!?!?!" >:[ *froth at mouth*

No.
Nothing wrong with voicing concerns, and it seems to be going pretty civilly.

But your concerns should at least have some backing.

A Bioware employee made some public comments that seemed to marginalize the aspects of Mass Effect that Brody, and plenty of other people, enjoyed most. Isn't that backing enough?

[ratzerman]

Agamo45 wrote...

It's just marketing BS, at least I hope. They said the same thing about ME2 if you recall.

I take issue with this line of thinking, though. The devs also said that the RPG aspects of Mass Effect remained intact, and were simply streamlined in ME2. It wasn't until well after release that they admitted to all but removing them entirely. IMHO, just shrugging off David's comments as marketing baloney is dangerous.

Modifié par ratzerman, 09 août 2011 - 06:32 .

[Pedestrial]

Damn, I'll try again lol

Here's an interview with David Silverman on ME3 


Some of the points that have sparked concerns are contradicted.

Modifié par Pedestrial, 09 août 2011 - 06:36 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
An employee who doesn't work on the game? Nope.

Don't be naive.  Just because he doesn't work on creating the game doens't mean he has no inside knowledge of it.

[CBKeffer]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
An employee who doesn't work on the game? Nope.

Don't be naive.  Just because he doesn't work on creating the game doens't mean he has no inside knowledge of it.

It also doesn't mean that he's not locking on to different aspects of the game than established fans of the series are looking forward to.

[littlezack]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
An employee who doesn't work on the game? Nope.

Don't be naive.  Just because he doesn't work on creating the game doens't mean he has no inside knowledge of it.

Having inside knowledge doesn't automatically make him a reliable source, either.

[littlezack]

Dream Shot wrote...

@Diddymos1120
Take what he says into consideration, nonetheless.

@littlezack
Essentially, it played the same but had an updated story partly because it wasn't based off an already established storyline, and it (obviously) looked better.

Mass Effect 1 doesn't play anything at all like KotoR. I mean...I guess the story flowed in a similar way, but that's about it. Gameplay wise they not a thing alike.

[didymos1120]

ratzerman wrote...

IMHO, just shrugging off David's comments as marketing baloney is dangerous.

Dangerous?  What?  I guess if you consider the possibility of buying a game you end up not liking a "danger", but that's a stretch.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

littlezack wrote...
Having inside knowledge doesn't automatically make him a reliable source, either.

That could be said about anyone, whether they work on the game or not.  Nobody ever said that what Silverman says is the gospel and that every implication made in his speeches are omens with 100% chance of happening.

But he is the game's Marketing Director.  If there was a clear, legitimate disconnect between what he says and what the game actually features then I imagine he wouldn't still be employed.

[marshalleck]

I have to question whether Dream Shot has actually played either KotOR or Mass Effect. Their gameplay are entirely dissimilar from each other.

[Whatever42]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dream Shot wrote...

Sure, he'll probably exaggerate facts to entice a crowd, but nonetheless he cannot be outright lying. 

No, but marketing and advertisements can get awfully close to it and still be within legal bounds.

I'm still not sure what was bad about what he said. ME3 will likely have a story that can be experienced without playing the first two games. In other words, its part of a trilogy like Jedi and not really a huge novel cut into three like King. 

New players will get caught up on background events through some storytelling mechanism. Maybe its the trial, maybe its another comic book. I suspect new players will even be able to make some ME1/ME2 story choices to get them up to speed. 

This makes ME3 a good jumping in point for some players, especially with the improved gameplay. If that's the case then there are no lies, no exaggarating, its simply emphasizing features designed with a new player in mind.  However, I fail to see how this possibly hurts my enjoyment. Anyone?

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dream Shot wrote...

Sure, he'll probably exaggerate facts to entice a crowd, but nonetheless he cannot be outright lying. 

No, but marketing and advertisements can get awfully close to it and still be within legal bounds.

I'm still not sure what was bad about what he said. ME3 will likely have a story that can be experienced without playing the first two games. In other words, its part of a trilogy like Jedi and not really a huge novel cut into three like King. 

New players will get caught up on background events through some storytelling mechanism. Maybe its the trial, maybe its another comic book. I suspect new players will even be able to make some ME1/ME2 story choices to get them up to speed. 

This makes ME3 a good jumping in point for some players, especially with the improved gameplay. If that's the case then there are no lies, no exaggarating, its simply emphasizing features designed with a new player in mind.  However, I fail to see how this possibly hurts my enjoyment. Anyone?

They said they'd include a comic book similar to the one in the PS3 version for new players, although I suspect the quality will be much better. Hopefully they'll broaden it beyond the core choices the character has to make.

[ratzerman]

didymos1120 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

IMHO, just shrugging off David's comments as marketing baloney is dangerous.

Dangerous?  What?  I guess if you consider the possibility of buying a game you end up not liking a "danger", but that's a stretch.

I sincerely apologize. Would you accept "risky" or "ill-advised" instead?