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[Volus Warlord]

Ulous wrote...

I try to refrain from reading the majority of newspapers but this morning after having a quick look through one of my workmates papers from a few days ago I see that Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand have joined the fray, telling our youth how they should and shouldn't behave.

We have Wayne Rooney who thinks it is okay to pay for sex with granny's behind his girlfriends back and act like a thug on the football pitch, then we have Rio Ferdinand a serial adulterer who cares so much about his wife and kids that he will **** anything with a pulse.

Yes what fine upstanding members of society they are, but yes they are looked up to! Why you ask? Well because they have fast cars, big houses and **** loads of money and this is what is hammered into our children and society, that you are only someone of worth in this country if you have lots of money and possesions, so is it a surprise when people go looting?

P.S. I hear that our politicians expenses bill is going to exceed a billion this year and we are only two thirds of the way through.

What else is there to motivate people? To do right, to work hard, to be productive and a positive influence on the world around you.

Faith? Largely supressed.

Logic? People are irrational by nature. Good luck changing that.

Legality? The fount of hypocrisy. Always has been, always will be.

Nationalism? Frowned upon.

A sense of community? Odds are your neighbors aren't loyal to you. Why should you be loyal to them?

Respect? Merely an illusion. No depth, no meaning. Respect has become more of a figure of speech than anything.

And I could go on for quite some time. Point is, all of the potent motives to make people behave in an ethical fashion have largely been displaced by:

Avarice-Get rich, get what you what, get who you want, money buys all.

The general attitude is you, you, you. You are the most important thing in the world. You deserve all the good things you've gotten and more, and none of the bad things that affect you are your fault. With such core beliefs-and the alternatives either suppressed, cheapened by ruthless overuse and lack of expounding, or simply unachievable, it only makes sense that selfish cutthroat nonsense begins to take over.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Only with true education and isolation from corrupted society, the states can raise a good-rational generation (with hatred toward anarchism) ... You may call it brainwashing.

[lobi]

Punks say perhaps there should be anarchy. Smash the shops until the only thing left to eat is the Rich.
Trouble is the poor underclasses will cannablise themselves long before they get anywhere near a rich person. They always have. The areas most affected by crime are lower income.
One cannot point to the French revolution as an exception either, that was largely driven by wealthy business people twisting the lowerclasses with propaganda produced by a tame intelligentsia. Which is pretty much what is happening now. As usual the niave poor are unwitting fools playing out a script handed to them by power brokers. Neighbours are soft targets, too much security around those they are really mad at.

Modifié par lobi, 17 août 2011 - 07:52 .

[CroGamer002]

Ban hoodies?

That's a bit ridiculous.

[CroGamer002]

Banning any kind of clothes is just ridiculous.

[lobi]

Anything that offers anonimity will be banned. Have we started telling people it's a good idea to be micro-chipped like their pets yet?
edit:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human). Illegal to demand, so far. But what do 'honest' people have to fear?

Modifié par lobi, 17 août 2011 - 08:22 .

[CroGamer002]

DuckSoup wrote...

@Mesina: Oh I see. Well, thanks for clearing that up for me.

In my view, a hooded teenager conjures up fear and stops people from seeing the person under the hood. This then proves problematic for those who wear them; they aren't seen as a person, they are seen as a cultural stereotype. They are seen as a thug even if they aren't one. And those who do wear them in an attempt to threaten often succeed.

I do find it interesting that you've completely ignored all the other points I made, though, and just focussed on one personal view of mine.

I didn't ever read that wall of text, just that "I strongly support the ban of hoodies" post.


But still, banning some kind of clothes?
Come on.

Besides, I have hoodie as well that I wear only when is slightly cold.


Also banning hoodie is like banning Rock & Roll do to Satan worshiping with some people.

[vometia]

Mesina2 wrote...

Banning any kind of clothes is just ridiculous.

While I don't necessarily endorse the banning of things, "it's ridiculous because it's ridiculous" is a circular argument; I can at least see the point that Ducksoup is making.

[Warheadz]

I suggest that we ban cakes, 'cause people who eat them are threatening. And it would be a good thing for them as well, since it's not the most healthy thing to eat!

Modifié par Warheadz, 17 août 2011 - 10:25 .

[Druss99]

Ulous wrote...

I try to refrain from reading the majority of newspapers but this morning after having a quick look through one of my workmates papers from a few days ago I see that Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand have joined the fray, telling our youth how they should and shouldn't behave.

We have Wayne Rooney who thinks it is okay to pay for sex with granny's behind his girlfriends back and act like a thug on the football pitch, then we have Rio Ferdinand a serial adulterer who cares so much about his wife and kids that he will **** anything with a pulse.

Yes what fine upstanding members of society they are, but yes they are looked up to! Why you ask? Well because they have fast cars, big houses and **** loads of money and this is what is hammered into our children and society, that you are only someone of worth in this country if you have lots of money and possesions, so is it a surprise when people go looting?

P.S. I hear that our politicians expenses bill is going to exceed a billion this year and we are only two thirds of the way through.

Are you sure your not confusing Rio Ferdinand with someone else? As much as I hate the guy (despite being a United fan) I've never heard of him being an adulterer. People don't look up to them because they are rich and have fast cars, they look up to them because they are you know.....footballers. Something most people would do for free.

The reason youth today have no respect is because theres no consequences, back in my day if you stepped out of line there was a good chance someone a hell of alot bigger and older than you would put you back in line in a hurry. What happens now? People have no control over their kids. So now we have a generation of thugs who think they can get away with anything they want.

Also I find the idea of banning hoodies to be absurd. Whats after that? No hats? No coats with hoods? Women can't wear a short skirt because some people think it makes them look sl*tty? Not all thugs wear hoodies, its just something the media used to describe them and it stuck. Hoodies just need some good PR. Some people still think all guys with shaved heads are thugs. At the end of the day thats their problem.

Maybe there should be a public service anouncement on hoodies like:

Hoody + Jeans or combats = Your ok its just someone trying to stay warm.
Hoody + Trackies = Careful now.
Hoody + Trackies and a giant gold chain = Run away or attack at your own discretion.
Hoody on its own = Clench your buttocks and run.

Modifié par Druss99, 17 août 2011 - 01:18 .

[KenKenpachi]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ulous wrote...

I try to refrain from reading the majority of newspapers but this morning after having a quick look through one of my workmates papers from a few days ago I see that Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand have joined the fray, telling our youth how they should and shouldn't behave.

We have Wayne Rooney who thinks it is okay to pay for sex with granny's behind his girlfriends back and act like a thug on the football pitch, then we have Rio Ferdinand a serial adulterer who cares so much about his wife and kids that he will **** anything with a pulse.

Yes what fine upstanding members of society they are, but yes they are looked up to! Why you ask? Well because they have fast cars, big houses and **** loads of money and this is what is hammered into our children and society, that you are only someone of worth in this country if you have lots of money and possesions, so is it a surprise when people go looting?

P.S. I hear that our politicians expenses bill is going to exceed a billion this year and we are only two thirds of the way through.

What else is there to motivate people? To do right, to work hard, to be productive and a positive influence on the world around you.

Faith? Largely supressed.

Logic? People are irrational by nature. Good luck changing that.

Legality? The fount of hypocrisy. Always has been, always will be.

Nationalism? Frowned upon.

A sense of community? Odds are your neighbors aren't loyal to you. Why should you be loyal to them?

Respect? Merely an illusion. No depth, no meaning. Respect has become more of a figure of speech than anything.

And I could go on for quite some time. Point is, all of the potent motives to make people behave in an ethical fashion have largely been displaced by:

Avarice-Get rich, get what you what, get who you want, money buys all.

The general attitude is you, you, you. You are the most important thing in the world. You deserve all the good things you've gotten and more, and none of the bad things that affect you are your fault. With such core beliefs-and the alternatives either suppressed, cheapened by ruthless overuse and lack of expounding, or simply unachievable, it only makes sense that selfish cutthroat nonsense begins to take over.

In agreement. The world has gotten more ****y in its pursuit of wealth for all (which isn't possible).

It reminds me of the stark upbringings I and others of hte younger Generation.

Me. Grandfather told me do what is right, reguardless of risk to yourself, have honor in your life, be honest and upright. Share when it is needed, stand up to what is wrong even if your alone. Do what you need to, Work hard, work well, never beg. My Martial arts and ROTC reinforced those views, and galvanized them. I am cold by most standards but I am just.

Kids of today...When I was in my final years of high school I was doing a book report on American Military Generals. The Elementry school had an introduction day. The middle school was in the highschool you see...anyways. The Princple got up there and gave a speech..one I was honestly shocked at, and it is hard to get that reaction out of me.

"Some of you want to be TV stars, Movie actors, Ball players, Singers, CEO's. But the fact is most of you will be working in Macdonalds, and its a dog eat dog world, so you all just drop these stupid dreams, and learn from here how to swerve ahead of the curve." With attitudes like that  more and more common in the world and the whole western world it seems, taken with apathy that swings from "Life is short, party then die" to "I live ina ghetto, **** all of you I'll steal what I want reguardless of what it does to you." And looking out for number one only, is it a surprise all things re so gloomy and most of us are alone? Oh sure some of us are sociable, but how often is it you pleasing others or "having a good time" rather than being comrades?

Ah well.  In short there ARE some people who DO need social programs, I know of a couple on here, but most of the youth in the UK who rioted over cuts to the dole...lets be honest here...

Its a pay off to keep them in order. They get payed they won't break your ****. The money stops coming, then the bits are off. And honestly if you can make more sitting on your ass, who would bother working if it means they get less? Corruption is at every level in this "Oh so wonderful" modern age.

[Volus Warlord]

DuckSoup wrote...

Ah, the English riots.

What started out as a peaceful protest and turned into the embarrassing show of discontent we witnessed. Duggan was only a small element; the beating of a 16 year old by at least 5 large, surly Met policemen being another.

As the "good guy's" we expect the youth of today to have automatic respect and moral decency, even though the youth of today are observing their peers and authoritative figures who have none. Many of these 'thugs' have witnessed nothing by greed and dishonesty from those they look up to. Even the footballers, earning massive and immoral amounts of money, end up in the papers after speeding, drink driving, lying and cheating. The Police service is corrupt and often overly brutal. The government fiddle the books and steal from the people. And every time these people get nothing more than a slapped wrist for their actions, but a teenager has a bit of weed and gets a criminal record. How can we be so ignorant and naive to think that we deserve the respect when they are shown next to none?

The government has done little to help the poorer classes; taking away their much needed community services, slapping a criminal record on them for minor offences and making it near possible for them to get jobs. Nobody is going to employ a criminal. Drug users are seen as the scum of society and treated just as badly; despite the fact that many of them want to work and want help to overcome their addictions. Opportunities for progression and work are more limited than ever. The working classes have seen inflation but no pay increases, whilst the people at the top land huge bonuses. Understandably this breeds anger, bitterness and resentment.

The government needs to crack down hard on the rich and send strong messages to those who scam and swindle their way to the top. They have to stop the extortion from the big businesses so that the poorer classes aren't getting into large amounts of debt. Then, when they've sorted that out, they need to work from the bottom upwards. They need to tackle poverty and help people into education; give people are real sense of community with useful and effective clean up projects and so on, so that they feel like they can take pride in their neighbourhoods. Support needs to be given from every angle so that, even if family life is difficult, these people feel like they have someone who genuinely respects and cares for their wellbeing. Something which only a handful get now. Even social workers are overstreteched. What care can they possibly give that way?

Yes, gangs need to be broken up and genuine criminals given harsher sentencing, but it's only a short term solution. Tackling poverty, drug abuse (with rehabilitation or legalisation, not criminal records) and offering a good education system is the only way forward. Or there will be anarchy.

I'm not going to say that countless people in positions of power and influence aren't jackasses with their assets and power. It's pretty much a given.

However, when it comes to "helping" the less fortunate, well, it's kind of.. I dunno a word for it.  You cannot effectively help people that are not willing to be helped. Many do not want to be helped. Why? Arrogance, pride, complacency, a false sense of security, etc.. They must have a desire to advance themsevles and a general idea of where to head or government programs will just be throwing money at a wall.  You cannot assist the unwilling.

There is nothing more infuriating then sticking your neck out for somebody and them making a jackass of you for it.

"Tackling" poverty is a bit.. idealistic? There will always be poverty, even if there wasn't a wealthy class. Or at least that was the deal in the Soviet Union.  Also, many of your politicians-as well as those around the world-are in bed with the mentioned companies. Gotta luv "campaign contributions." Sad as it sounds, the "old money" are virtually untouchable-all that could go wrong is that they could destroy themselves.

I've never had much sympathy for drug addicts; I dunno, it's one of my irks.

Gangs are just idle hands-give them something productive to do with their time, a reason to do it, a reasonable reward for it, and negative consquences for not doing it. If those things are in place they will fall apart on their own. 

[stewie1974]

I think compulsary hawain shirts , bermuda shorts and sandals would not only be colorful but less likely to be conjure images of fear.

Of course I'm joking, just like I would be if I suggested JD Sports made shoes with sponge soles so that looters couldn't kick in their shop windows.

However, would be nice if the industries decided to make fashion for youth that didn't make them look like the poor of the 1990's... all that -fashion- that is high priced is the crap I wore when I was poor in the 90's.... it's irony that you now have to pay a fortune to look like that...

[stewie1974]

DuckSoup wrote...



Yes, gangs need to be broken up and genuine criminals given harsher sentencing, but it's only a short term solution. Tackling poverty, drug abuse (with rehabilitation or legalisation, not criminal records) and offering a good education system is the only way forward. Or there will be anarchy.

I agree legalisation is a step forwards, but regulations do need to be in place. I know theres a lot of people or randoids who believe regulations are bad because people are -good- ... wonder if they have ever looked at a deregulated bussiness such as prostitution... yeah it's illegal , but also unregulated... change both for the win.
The magic "It's legal now" won't change a damn thing other than save police money... unregulated means, the current monopolies still exploit and now there is NO ONE finding traffiked women and underage girls. Hey it's a "volentary contract " right?

[Stanley Woo]

And since we're getting rather political now, I'm shutting this thread down before it gets any worse.

End of line.