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Except my explanation was linking them to the absence of new game releasesSundance31us wrote...
Historically it doesn't work rioting happened prior to the induction of video games.Get Magna Carter wrote...
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So what you're saying is...Get Magna Carter wrote...
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sympathy4saren wrote...
I'm an American. I own a shotgun.
chunkyman wrote...
sympathy4saren wrote...
I'm an American. I own a shotgun.
That's a bit redundant...
Fingerprint requirements?!?! What the communist is that?Volus Warlord wrote...
chunkyman wrote...
sympathy4saren wrote...
I'm an American. I own a shotgun.
That's a bit redundant...
lol not quite. There are plenty of firearm restriction "enthusiasts."
That being said. I own 6 military grade automatic weapons with mods that would make a SEAL green with envy.
Just kidding, My state requires that people get fingerprinted before purchasing firearms, and I am not willing to do so voluntarily.
Modifié par chunkyman, 14 août 2011 - 06:59 .
chunkyman wrote...
Fingerprint requirements?!?! What the communist is that?Volus Warlord wrote...
chunkyman wrote...
sympathy4saren wrote...
I'm an American. I own a shotgun.
That's a bit redundant...
lol not quite. There are plenty of firearm restriction "enthusiasts."
That being said. I own 6 military grade automatic weapons with mods that would make a SEAL green with envy.
Just kidding, My state requires that people get fingerprinted before purchasing firearms, and I am not willing to do so voluntarily.
God I hate hate gun laws. Get this, in Oregon you can own a handgun at 18, but you can't buy handgun ammunition until you're 21. Apparently you're supposed to throw the gun at murderers and rapists.
Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...
There's a difference between owning a firearm and being able to carry it. I handed in my fingerprints years ago, the FBI has them, but...I can carry a concealed firearm in most of the country, unless I find myself stuck in the Socialist Republic of Illinois or Soviet State of New York, the latter of which doesn't even allow people to carry pocket knives.
And I love the redneck comments when talking about firearms. Firearms are tools to be used for a variety of purposes and in multiple circumstances. Most people out to ban them are simply irresponsible or are under the false impression that banning these tools makes the world safer. Go to any country where firearms are banned from the public and you'll see about the same about of crime, sometimes more. Crime depends on alot of things with social structure, traditions past on or population density.
The problem with criminals is the fact that they don't care about the laws. The problem with popular society is that it feels more laws make for more lawful citizens. Banning handguns doesn't keep them out of the hands of criminals because criminals commit crimes, they are not going to apply for permits to carry or even pay honest money for a firearms. Laws do not stop criminals from getting firearms, they prevent citizens from being able to defend themselves from the armed criminals.
There is a great anonymous quote from the middle ages I have always loved, being "One sword keeps another in it's sheathe." This too applies to firearms. There was a reason why people were more wary and polite in previous eras and why people are not obnoxiously cocky and disrespectful of one another. Everyone could of been armed in the past, it was social Darwinism to insult a stranger because he/she might be your executioner.
Also, the founding fathers put emphasis on the right of a citizen to bear arms. Not only is it a great deterrant from invasion because of the guerrilla forces it naturally creates, but also the citizens are not vulnerable to potentially tyranny from the government itself. Jefferson said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that 'Where a government fears the people here is liberty and where a people fears there government there is tyranny.'
A government is a necessary thing to provide order in my opinion, but it is very easy to see it get out of hand due to greed and the ego of politicians. Too many governments have over extended their purposes, it's easy to do with enough time and lack of attention from people combined with laziness and complacency replacing the duty of performing basic responsibilities.
Social justice and pandering to multiculturalism just bolsters bureaucrats, thus laws and people then become complacent and lose their liberty, fat on the misuse of their own ability to protect themselves...they end up being even more easily abused by others. Want to become a victim? Unarm yourselves of physical tools of defense or the liberties of survival which bureaucrats will only be so happy to take from you.
slimgrin wrote...
Your police force hasn't exactly contained the problem.
Modifié par Ulous, 14 août 2011 - 07:32 .
chunkyman wrote...
Some of my favorite quotes include "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns." and this alleged quote "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -Adolf Hitler
sympathy4saren wrote...
So what's the cause of the riots, anyways? I hear about them and I'm not even sure what its about...or what it was originally about.
Modifié par Ulous, 14 août 2011 - 07:57 .
Lord Phoebus wrote...
Out of curiosity has anyone been following what going on in Philadelphia with the Flash Mobs? Apparently the mayor has introduced a curfew. CNN news feed
It seems to me that the Flash Mobs and UK riots are examples of the same phenomena. That being the unintended consequence of access to comunication technology with encryption the government can't crack.
Ulous wrote...
sympathy4saren wrote...
So what's the cause of the riots, anyways? I hear about them and I'm not even sure what its about...or what it was originally about.
Witnesses say the Police shot a youth in Tottenham at almost point blank range in the chest while he was already restrained on the floor, this did not actually spark the riot straight away, what caused it was when many of the locals went to the local police station to protest and to find answers to what had happened, allegedly the police had a could not care less attitude and told them basically to **** off, there was also a report that they pushed a 14 year old girl to the floor at which point it exploded into violence.
Now many are accusing the police of covering up another murder as they did with Charles De Menezes (look it up), but I don't think anyone other than the people that were there will know the full truth.
Reponse from the police.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh of the Metropolitan
Police issued an apology to the Duggan family for the manner in which
police initially communicated with them,
yet handed part of the blame to the IPCC, leading to a row between the
Metropolitan Police and the IPCC over whose responsibility it was to
provide information to the victim's family.
Mark Williams, Metropolitan Police Federation
representative for the firearms unit CO19, expressed concern that the
IPCC had failed to communicate details of the incident to the public in a
timely manner, and had thereby fanned speculation about "some sort of
conspiracy".
Ulous wrote...
As regrettable as any deaths are only five have been reported, one of which was potentially a looter killing another looter, three in one incident where by all intent and purposes the victims were par-taking in vigilantism, as brave as it was no amount of property is worth dieing for, and one death through pure mindless violence.
Around sixteen people injured, a low figure when compared to the amount of people involved and much less than the invisible injuries left on people from the banking crisis.
All things taken into account things could have been much worse
chunkyman wrote...
God I hate gun laws. Get this, in Oregon you can own a handgun at 18, but you can't buy handgun ammunition until you're 21. Apparently you're supposed to throw the gun at murderers and rapists.
Modifié par stewie1974, 15 août 2011 - 01:32 .
stewie1974 wrote...
Ulous wrote...
As regrettable as any deaths are only five have been reported, one of which was potentially a looter killing another looter, three in one incident where by all intent and purposes the victims were par-taking in vigilantism, as brave as it was no amount of property is worth dieing for, and one death through pure mindless violence.
Around sixteen people injured, a low figure when compared to the amount of people involved and much less than the invisible injuries left on people from the banking crisis.
All things taken into account things could have been much worse
One 67 year old man beaten to death for stomping out a fire.
One 13 year old girl raped in a back alley next to a church.
Many civilian homes burned
Many Independent NON corperate bussinesses torched.
A disabled woman in a wheel chair pushed out of it and assulted.
That's not the overall toll of course, these are just the reported incidents.
The three people in birmingham were not partaking in vigilantee incidents, they were just standing out in front of their livihood and their non corperate target trying to protect their living. They were not engaging the rioters, they were making themselves a physical and visual pressence.
Any amount of "It could have been worse" is just frankly as good as saying it was all perfectly justifiable in order to launch a political debate.... "Yeah it's bad, but the banks are worse"... yes, I know the banks are raping your 13 year old daughters and killing your children....
Sure the banks are terrible, nobody is debating that, yes the banks need to be punished, agreed... but can we not say that ASWELL as condeming these hoodlems ? You know it is perfectly acceptable to condemn both as terrible.. with out whitewashing what actually happened.
I know Alex Salmond has delusions of grandeur, but he's still not the Prime Minister. Sadly, he has a habit of making opportunistic comments like this which only serve to be divisive in a way that I suspect most people either side of the border would rather not see. As for the comment itself, it would be easy to come up with various retorts, but none would be especially helpful; and there's some irony in that this is exactly the sort of thing he and his ilk often accuse "The English" of doing.ragemaster wrote...
some sources call it the uk riots but scotland hasnt had any riots at all the scottish prime minister requested it be renamed the english riots.
Modifié par vometia, 15 août 2011 - 02:14 .
vometia wrote...
I know Alex Salmond has delusions of grandeur, but he's still not the Prime Minister. Sadly, he has a habit of making opportunistic comments like this which only serve to be divisive in a way that I suspect most people either side of the border would rather not see. As for the comment itself, it would be easy to come up with various retorts, but none would be especially helpful; and there's some irony in that this is exactly the sort of thing he and his ilk often accuse "The English" of doing.ragemaster wrote...
some sources call it the uk riots but scotland hasnt had any riots at all the scottish prime minister requested it be renamed the english riots.
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