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[Wicked 702]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Anyone else want to chime in about how they like paying more for less?

Is your issue that you just didn't like it? I'm sorry, but it is objectively an expansion. Because they marketed it as one. 

So, the "thing" is whatever the creator calls it because that's what the creator calls it? I can see where that would be logical. However, I personally reject that definition and substitute one based on content. Unfortunately, that removes much of any perceived objectiveness in my view.

I'm still confused as to how it's considered an expansion when it doesn't expand anything of the original game itself. It only adds to after the fact. Something like that, to me, stands as more of a module. Much like Golems and the other DLCs were essentially short modules that you imported a character into. Awakening was the same thing, only much larger. The content of expansions should extent both forward and backwards into the original campaign. For example, additional classes from Neverwinter Nights expansions were useable in the original campaign. Whether such a thing is possible given the current 360/PS3 model is unknown but whatever...

On topic: Yeah, if you're really interested don't get the download version. Buy the Ultimate Edition or Awakening disk from Amazon or Ebay or something.

[Monica21]

Wicked 702 wrote...
I'm still confused as to how it's considered an expansion when it doesn't expand anything of the original game itself. It only adds to after the fact.

Um, that is exactly how an "expansion" works. You know, like if you build a sunroom on your house or an extra bedroom. You're "expanding" it. And "adding to it." 

[Wicked 702]

Monica21 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
I'm still confused as to how it's considered an expansion when it doesn't expand anything of the original game itself. It only adds to after the fact.

Um, that is exactly how an "expansion" works. You know, like if you build a sunroom on your house or an extra bedroom. You're "expanding" it. And "adding to it." 

Except that your sunroom is inexorably connected to the home. Air flows between the home and the new sunroom. Back and forth. Light shines through the sunroom into the home.

Nothing from Awakening shines back into Origin. Awakening is more of a tool shed in the back. Part of the property, but separate from the home. Expansions actually add something back into the original. Name one thing from Awakening that travels back into Origin...

On other fronts, every expansion I ever played added something back into the original. Like the Diablo 2 expansion, Lords of Destruction. The two new characters can be used both in the new campaign AND in the original. Awakening is a stand-alone module, not an expansion in my opinion.

[Monica21]

Wicked 702 wrote...
Except that your sunroom is inexorably connected to the home. Air flows between the home and the new sunroom. Back and forth. Light shines through the sunroom into the home.

Nothing from Awakening shines back into Origin. Awakening is more of a tool shed in the back. Part of the property, but separate from the home. Expansions actually add something back into the original. Name one thing from Awakening that travels back into Origin...

On other fronts, every expansion I ever played added something back into the original. Like the Diablo 2 expansion, Lords of Destruction. The two new characters can be used both in the new campaign AND in the original. Awakening is a stand-alone module, not an expansion in my opinion.

Nothing from Mask of the Betrayer shined backed to NWN2 but it is by far the best expansion I've ever played and significantly better than the original game. 

An expansion simply adds to the game world which Awakening did. There are no requirements for it to affect the original game.

[Weiser_Cain]

Monica21 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
I'm still confused as to how it's considered an expansion when it doesn't expand anything of the original game itself. It only adds to after the fact.

Um, that is exactly how an "expansion" works. You know, like if you build a sunroom on your house or an extra bedroom. You're "expanding" it. And "adding to it." 

Have you played Neverwinter Nights? The expansion's new features were available in all campaigns. I know that's the standard I'm holding Awakeings to, and it may be the same for others.

[Mike3207]

I saw Awakenings at Gamestop for $20, Origins at 30, and DA2 for $40.

[Yrkoon]

Monica21 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
Except that your sunroom is inexorably connected to the home. Air flows between the home and the new sunroom. Back and forth. Light shines through the sunroom into the home.

Nothing from Awakening shines back into Origin. Awakening is more of a tool shed in the back. Part of the property, but separate from the home. Expansions actually add something back into the original. Name one thing from Awakening that travels back into Origin...

On other fronts, every expansion I ever played added something back into the original. Like the Diablo 2 expansion, Lords of Destruction. The two new characters can be used both in the new campaign AND in the original. Awakening is a stand-alone module, not an expansion in my opinion.

Nothing from Mask of the Betrayer shined backed to NWN2  

That's...  Not true at all.

The Mask of the Betrayer Expansion pack adds tons of new features  that can be used in the main game.    Including at least one New playable  race, some new classes, several new spells....

Awakening has received tons of flak for not touching the main game in the sightest.  And while this flak is deserved  (because it's the truth), I personally still see it as a full fledged expansion pack.  But for other reasons.

[Wicked 702]

When I played games primarily on the PC, I don't think I ever purchased something labeled an expansion that didn't somehow add value back into the original as well as provide new forward content. Does that mean there never was such a thing? No, of course not. The only point I was trying to make is that (as Yrkoon pointed out), there are lots of us that define the term "expansion" by the fact that they add content backwards into the original. For us, that's what it means.

Are we 100% right? Not necessarily. Definitions change, usage changes. Could Awakening be considered an expansion by someone else? Sure. Not gonna argue that. It's subjective. But I do bemoan the fact that it didn't add content back into the original. I do believe that's a step back for us consumers.

[Last Darkness]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Anyone else want to chime in about how they like paying more for less?

You do realise your making yourself look foolish right?

There are many sales and other options to get the game, I for example purchased PC Origins Collectors Edition + Awakening bundled together in the EA store for only $35 total the week after Awakening came out.

Of course I have common sense enough to shop around and look for the best deal for myself. Its a skill so few people have anymore -sigh-

[Weiser_Cain]

Last Darkness wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Anyone else want to chime in about how they like paying more for less?

You do realise your making yourself look foolish right?

If I am a fool then what are you to argue with a fool?

[Elhanan]

[quote]Weiser_Cain wrote...

[/quote] If I am a fool then what are you to argue with a fool?[/quote]

Mom?! Is that you?

[Weiser_Cain]

[quote]Elhanan wrote...

[quote]Weiser_Cain wrote...

[/quote] If I am a fool then what are you to argue with a fool?[/quote]

Mom?! Is that you?
[/quote]Yes, and I never loved you.

[Elhanan]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

If I am a fool then what are you to argue with a fool?

Mom?! Is that you?

Yes, and I never loved you.

heh! You did not get that one right, either. 'Mom' would have been Last Darkness; not yourself.

And Awakenings is a proper Expansion, but suggest you spend less than full retail to aquire it.

Modifié par Elhanan, 13 août 2011 - 08:22 .

[naledgeborn]

What's worse is that on top of costing $40.00 USD it's still bugged to hell and back.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 13 août 2011 - 10:31 .

[packardbell]

You can probably find the ultimate edition for that price alone.

[Elhanan]

naledgeborn wrote...

What's worse is that on top of costing $40.00 USD it's still bugged to hell and back.

The patch I used solved my problems. Only bug that might still be there could be entering the mines. and stripping down for a few seconds is no big deal for me.

[Rocket_Man77]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Anyone else want to chime in about how they like paying more for less?

Is your issue that you just didn't like it? I'm sorry, but it is objectively an expansion. Because they marketed it as one. 

I agree. It was definitely an exansion. the expansion could take about 20 hours to beat if you take your time with it. normal DLC takes about 1-2 hours. Also, Awakening definitely added on to Origins. New plot points, skills, characters, and locations. What more could you want?

the entire bundle can be bought for $20, so that is definitely a heck of a deal.

[Yrkoon]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...
 Also, Awakening definitely added on to Origins. New plot points, skills, characters, and locations. What more could you want?

No.  it doesn't.   What we're talking about here is stuff actually being  integrated to the main game.  Can you take the Spirit Warrior spec  in Origins?  nope.    Does your mage have access to the Battle Mage talents in the main game?  Nope.  Can your rogue use  Heart Seeker against Logain in the landmeet duel?  Nope.  Does your party have access to Stamina Droughts In the main game?  Nope.     All those things  are only in Awakening.  In fact, the only  thing even remotely tying Awakening to Origins, gameplay-wise, is the fact that you could import your  Origin character and he'll show up in Awakening  almost  fully intact.


 By contrast, Someone earlier brought up Neverwinter Nights' expansion packs.  *Those* added stuff into the main game.  After installing Hordes of the Underdark, you could,  for example, start a New OC game and become a Pale Master before chapter 2.   Or  you could be a  Red Dragon disciple.  Or a Weapon master. You could craft Armor, etc.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 août 2011 - 01:13 .

[Last Darkness]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Anyone else want to chime in about how they like paying more for less?

You do realise your making yourself look foolish right?

If I am a fool then what are you to argue with a fool?

And times like this why I love the Report Buttons and Block User Buttons on your profile page.

[Rocket_Man77]

Yrkoon wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...
 Also, Awakening definitely added on to Origins. New plot points, skills, characters, and locations. What more could you want?

No.  it doesn't.   What we're talking about here is stuff actually being  integrated to the main game.  Can you take the Spirit Warrior spec  in Origins?  nope.    Does your mage have access to the Battle Mage talents in the main game?  Nope.  Can your rogue use  Heart Seeker against Logain in the landmeet duel?  Nope.  Does your party have access to Stamina Droughts In the main game?  Nope.     All those things  are only in Awakening.  In fact, the only  thing even remotely tying Awakening to Origins, gameplay-wise, is the fact that you could import your  Origin character and he'll show up in Awakening  almost  fully intact.


 By contrast, Someone earlier brought up Neverwinter Nights' expansion packs.  *Those* added stuff into the main game.  After installing Hordes of the Underdark, you could,  for example, start a New OC game and become a Pale Master before chapter 2.   Or  you could be a  Red Dragon disciple.  Or a Weapon master. You could craft Armor, etc.

I understand your point, but either way, Awakening was still an expansion. While it would've been nice to have stamina droughts in Origins or the new classes, many expansion packs are straying away from your "Neverwinter Nights" example. For some reason, its dying out.

[Yrkoon]

Agreed. I still see Awakening as a true to form expansion, despite the fact that it doesn't integrate anything into the main campaign.

Reasons:

1) you could buy it on hard copy on day one.. comes in its own box, its own CD/DVD, has its own instruction manual etc.

2) it's 20-30 hours long

3) It Brings your warden from 25th level to 35th level

4) Bioware has put out 2 DLCs for it.


^that all makes it an expansion.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Ultimate Edition is £15 on Amazon.co.uk

[MagmaSaiyan]

i may be new at this but i assume anything off a companies internet market wont drop in price no matter how old it is...and you can correct me if im wrong. out in the physical world good/great games dont usually drop in price