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[mesmerizedish]

I look very white. My last name is one of the most English last names I can think of. This is because, like many Jews who don't come from entirely Jewish families, my mother is Jewish. Being named Ashley Williams and looking... I dunno, I thought she was a bit Hispanic looking... means nothing when it comes to whether or not she could be Jewish.

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

But yes, we don't believe in an afterlife. I don't remember Ashley ever mentioning believing in an afterlife, but I'll take your word for it.

[Pax of Doom]

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

Judaism has a belief in the "world to come".

[Han Shot First]

Pax of Doom wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ashley having the surname Williams doesn't necessarily mean she isn't Jewish.

Williams of course is an English name but many people in the Mass Effect universe are mixed, and Ashley does have a lot of mediterrenean features. For all we know she could have partial Israeli ancestry from her mother's side of the family. 

Or she might not, but it can't be automatically ruled out.

Israeli ancestry or semitic features =/= Jewish.  There are Christian and Muslim Israelis, so country of origin means nothing.  There are Ethiopian Jews, so features don't mean anything.

It's rather interesting that the most "prejudiced" character receives scrutiny based on our modern world prejudices.  That's actually a good thing, that a character can spark debate and offer reflection on "real world" issues.

I'm aware of that.

I was just pointing out that having the surname Williams does not rule out partial Jewish ancestry.

[S.A.K]

Dasher1010 wrote...

All we know is that she beleives in some sort of deity and EVERYONE calls her a Christian. What if in ME3, she's a Jew? Or if she's a HIndu, Pagan, Muslim, etc?

So what? Even I am not Christian.

[Pax of Doom]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Shep is thinking: Maenads!

 

Bad things to be caught up in for a guy!  Getting ripped to shreds, flesh devoured.

[100k]

Mash Mashington wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

But yes, we don't believe in an afterlife. I don't remember Ashley ever mentioning believing in an afterlife, but I'll take your word for it.

Oh, that wonderful convo actually contains one of Shepard's famous tactful one-liners

Ashley: Dad passed on a few years back, he's probably still watching though, so behave.
Shepard: He's not a zombie is he?

Way to go commander, now go ask Liara if Asari can have babies with their own species

:happy::lol::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::lol:

[Fata Morgana]

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

I had never heard that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife, so after reading your statement I did some internet searching to find out more about it. Only every single page I found said that Jews do believe in an afterlife. I don't suppose you can provide a reference for this statement?

[100k]

Fata Morgana wrote...

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

I had never heard that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife, so after reading your statement I did some internet searching to find out more about it. Only every single page I found said that Jews do believe in an afterlife. I don't suppose you can provide a reference for this statement?

I--I---I had just always heard that Jews don't believe in life after death...
:o:o:o

[Pax of Doom]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm aware of that.

I was just pointing out that having the surname Williams does not rule out partial Jewish ancestry.

You're right of course, and I meant no disrespect to you.  It may not be obvious, or known, to others.  I prefer to not assume everyone has that knowledge.

As an aside, I work for a Jewish institution, and I've had a lot of non-Jews ask if kosher just means that the food is blessed by a rabbi. 

[S.A.K]

100k wrote...

She isn't. She believes in an afterlife.

Are you sure jews don't believe in afterlife? I am buddhist and we believe in afterlife. So is she buddhist?

Modifié par S.A.K, 10 août 2011 - 07:49 .

[Chewin]

I see that religion is a 'hot-topic' this week.

[Pax of Doom]

As for an afterlife, even Shepard believes there is one. 

www.youtube.com/watch

[mesmerizedish]

100k wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

I had never heard that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife, so after reading your statement I did some internet searching to find out more about it. Only every single page I found said that Jews do believe in an afterlife. I don't suppose you can provide a reference for this statement?

I--I---I had just always heard that Jews don't believe in life after death...
:o:o:o

We don't.

I'd qualify that assertion by saying "We don't... not really."

Which is to say, when you die, nothing happens. But when the Messiah arrives, all the Jews, as well as the "righteous among the nations" (particularly groovy goys) get resurrected to chill with the Powers that Be.

But there's no immediate persistence like Christianity claims.

[Lucy Glitter]

What the...

[100k]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

100k wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

I had never heard that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife, so after reading your statement I did some internet searching to find out more about it. Only every single page I found said that Jews do believe in an afterlife. I don't suppose you can provide a reference for this statement?

I--I---I had just always heard that Jews don't believe in life after death...
:o:o:o

We don't.

I'd qualify that assertion by saying "We don't... not really."

Which is to say, when you die, nothing happens. But when the Messiah arrives, all the Jews, as well as the "righteous among the nations" (particularly groovy goys) get resurrected to chill with the Powers that Be.

But there's no immediate persistence like Christianity claims.

SAVED!

*in a non religious sense*

[Kaiser Shepard]

She isn't. She was officially made christian the moment our collective head-canon defined her as such, much like how the Matriarch Bartender will turn out to be Liara's dad because of really, really bad forum speculation.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 10 août 2011 - 08:12 .

[K_Tabris]

Or, you know, Ashley could be a deist. The only label we can derive from that conversation for certain.

[Fata Morgana]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

100k wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

I had never heard that Jews didn't believe in an afterlife, so after reading your statement I did some internet searching to find out more about it. Only every single page I found said that Jews do believe in an afterlife. I don't suppose you can provide a reference for this statement?

I--I---I had just always heard that Jews don't believe in life after death...
:o:o:o

We don't.

I'd qualify that assertion by saying "We don't... not really."

Which is to say, when you die, nothing happens. But when the Messiah arrives, all the Jews, as well as the "righteous among the nations" (particularly groovy goys) get resurrected to chill with the Powers that Be.

But there's no immediate persistence like Christianity claims.

But what about all that talk in the Torah about being "In the bosom of Abraham"?  What is that, if not an afterlife? I recognize that it's a waiting place and not the resurrection, but still it's some place to be after death, isn't it? *confused*

[LilyasAvalon]

Sepewrath wrote...

Collider wrote...
My reaction: So?

I share your reaction, who cares.

Amen to that.

[Fiery Knight]

Chewin3 wrote...

I see that religion is a 'hot-topic' this week.

Tell me about it<_<

[mesmerizedish]

Fata Morgana wrote...

But what about all that talk in the Torah about being "In the bosom of Abraham"?  What is that, if not an afterlife? I recognize that it's a waiting place and not the resurrection, but still it's some place to be after death, isn't it? *confused*

Meh-taphor, I'd say.

But I'm not a rabbi like Sarah Silverman's sister. I haven't made a life by studying the bible. Some Jewish theologian could very well come along and correct me if it's not actual "Jewish" belief. But for all the Jews I know, the only "place to be after death" is buried in the ground.

[Agamo45]

100k wrote...

She isn't. She believes in an afterlife.

Uhh, I'm not Jewish but I'm pretty sure they believe in some form of afterlife.

Modifié par Agamo45, 10 août 2011 - 08:27 .