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[Red Son Rising]

wow, i gotta say im impressed. probably the most reasonable discussion about a video game characters personal beliefts ive ever seen. bravo social.bioware bravo

that said i could care less what ashley believes in. the only reason she's alive is because kaiden has to bite it on virmire otherwise and ME2 wont let me sacrafice her too

gotta make room on the team for SMJ, cant stop the reapers w/ out another bad mofo on the team

[PiercedMonk]

jamesp81 wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

Why? Why not? At least it's more interesting than if she was Christian. Also, I imagine that most religious faith that still exists in a world where faster than light space travel is common place and you can have a conversation with an extra terrestrial being will be the last few holdovers left from some of the more dogmatic practices today.

The idea that the existence of alien life has any impact on Christian theology is, well, kind of ridiculous.

I didn't say it did. Reality does though.

My point was less about those particular events, and more about the time it will take for humanity to get there. 'Mass Effect' takes place about one hundred ninty years in the future. I'm going to guess we're maybe two generations away from the greater majority of people in first world countries embracing secularisim. Probably closer to three for the USA. With continued advances in technology and increasing effort to provide the third world with adequate resources and education to flourish and prosper, I can't see it being more than five generations before the vast majority of planet identify themselves as some sort of nonbeliever.

Not that I expect religious faith to vanish entirely. There will be some hold-outs; last vestiges of the more dogmatic believers these days. Though other than the occasional cult, I imagine most worshipers will pay only lip service to their faith, which it seems to me that Ashley does.

[Siansonea]

Oy vey.

If Ashley's Jewish, then she's Jewish. What difference does it make what flavor of religion she follows? I've found that religious people are more alike than they'd care to believe, and that most religions are more alike than they'd care to believe.

[Cartims]

Finally, good bagels on the Normandy....I'll bring the cream cheese....mmmmm

[Meshaber]

[inappropriate comment removed]

Oh come on, I was obviously supersarcastic.

Modifié par Meshaber, 11 août 2011 - 11:08 .

[Jademoon121]

And her religion matters because?

[K_Tabris]

Cartims wrote...

Finally, good bagels on the Normandy....I'll bring the cream cheese....mmmmm

[100k]

Mesina2 wrote...

100k wrote...

She's not Jewish. She believes in an afterlife.

You do know that Jews and Christians worship same God, but Jews don't accept Jesus and Messiah?
Also, Jesus Christ was a Jew and that's a fact.



And off I go from this thread, FOREVER!

Jews still don't generally believe in afterlife. 

Ashley is not Jewish. There is no further discussion to be had. She might be Muslim, but I doubt it. She might be Buddhist, but I doubt that too. She is probably Christian. Plain and simple.

:mellow::mellow::mellow::mellow:

[Hedera]

If she is, then she is. NBD

[Gravity Bun]

Oh my god.
Character in a video game.
Doesn't matter.

[Pax of Doom]

Cartims wrote...

Finally, good bagels on the Normandy....I'll bring the cream cheese....mmmmm

Who's bringing the lox?  We can't have a decent kiddush without lox. 

[Pax of Doom]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Unlikely. If she's a Jew then she must be Orthodox instead of Reformed, but you don't see her do the things an Orthodox Jew would do.

Why must she be Orthodox instead of Reformed, Conservative, Humanitarian or Reconstructionist?  For one thing, she wouldn't wear pants if she were Orthodox.  She wouldn't fight on Shabbat or any of the holidays, likely including chol hamoed (the holiday in-between days where some work is allowed).  Where would she put the sukkah on the Normandy, maybe in the cockpit since that's the only place you can really see the stars (no observation deck in the first Normandy).  And again, where would they put the mikvah?  And, an interesting thought, how would you determine candlelighting time whilst traveling FTL?

/discussing the religious practices of a video game character...I think I need to reevaluate my life

[Escapulario100]

It would be kinda ironic

Modifié par Escapulario100, 17 août 2011 - 08:05 .

[Lycans Bane]

I always wonder what people mean when they say pagan. Do they germanic paganism, greco-roman paganism, druidism, shamanism, neo-paganism such as wicca, etc.

On topic: The only way religion would have an effect is really if she has converted since ME1 and become a zealous fanatic or if she's been indoctrinated by the reapers or openly condemmes all religous beliefs. In other words a stark contrast to how she was in the first game. Otherwise it will be as before, just believing and not forcing those beliefs on others.

Modifié par Lycans Bane, 17 août 2011 - 10:00 .

[Lycans Bane]

Also in regards to the whole afterlife thing, depending on how look at it also discounts several protestant denominations of Christianity that believe similarly to what Jews do in regards to life after death in the belief that only on judgement day is one resurrected.

[Aradace]

To say I dont judge a person on their religion would be a bald faced lie on my behalf. So, I wont say that I dont. If she's actually a Christian, that'll be fine (as most of my files have her as a LI) as long as she doesnt become a religious zealot. I even selected the dialog option in ME1 that came as close to that as possible when she first asked me if I was "Ok with her believing in God" or whatnot. (Dont remember the dialog verbetim because I've only played ME1 twice since picking up my copy of ME2.)

Now folks could argue that with something like "Well she could as easily be a religioius zealot if she claimed another religion as well." Which is true, however, where I live, it's never the Pagans you see going door to door trying to "convert" the masses. Nor is it even the Jewish. Nope, It's the chrisitans/Jahova Witnesses that are guilty of that one. Point? As long as Ash continues to not try and tell me that Im going to burn in hell or whatever for some of the choices Ive made, I'll continue be cool with her

[Eudaemonium]

100k wrote...

Jews still don't generally believe in afterlife. 

Ashley is not Jewish. There is no further discussion to be had. She might be Muslim, but I doubt it. She might be Buddhist, but I doubt that too. She is probably Christian. Plain and simple.

:mellow::mellow::mellow::mellow:

She's not Buddhist. For a start, Buddhists don't believe in a God (they do have gods, but not *a God*, big G and all that). She'd could be Sikh or Hindu. But yeah, she's more likely Christian, Muslim or some kind of henotheistic Pagan if you're goign on language.

[Chromie]

Eudaemonium wrote...But yeah, she's more likely Christian, Muslim or some kind of henotheistic Pagan if you're goign on language.

She spanish isn't she? I'd assume Christian or Catholic.