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[Mad Method]

 Hello,

Looks like one of my posts has been derailing another thread, so I'm posting it here so it gets its own thread.

Alicia Keys wrote...

Why do people hate Dragon Age 2 so much? What is soooo bad about it?

I only played the demo, but I've seen some LP and review material and a lot of griping, so I'm pretty confident about the following:

Aesthetics:

• Over-the-top combat animations.
• The redone graphics are pretty ugly.
• Kirkwall is somewhat dull rather than the interesting, big, bustling city it's meant to be. 90% of the game takes place at Kirkwall, so this is a problem.
• Not enough variation in art.
• The music is pretty forgettable.

Combat:

• Bad tactical management: no tactical camera, can't fully disable AI anymore, sometimes your orders get inexplicably ignored even with 100% blank tactics, no more weapon swap hotkey, hold position wont work past a certain distance, trap detection is short-ranged, and party members willfully walk into detected traps.
• Reduced variety to differentiate the classes: Warriors can no longer dualwield or use bows. Rogues can no longer use two-handers or shields at all. And Warrior and Rogue armors now have completely different requirements.
• Wave combat ruins strategy.
• Normal combat is too easy and boring while hard combat is mainly more time-consuming.
• Too much filler combat.
• Talent trees have too many dumb requirements like asking you to take both sustained abilities (while you can only use one of the two) to get better talents.

Story:

• Mage-templar struggle is poorly played out: All we see is crazy mages and crazy templars, so an intelligent discussion of systemic oppression is averted in favor of a bunch of crazies going at it instead. There's barely a clue about why it must be so bad to just be in the circle. Bethany even likes it there.
• Party members act like they belong on some bad sitcom.
• Rivalry system is poorly designed. Rivalry is also a disapproval meter so being completely amoral will somehow also earn you the grudging respect of your teammates.
• Narrative has issues with realism: a mage Hawke never gets much trouble as a mage, esp. as a blood mage; a champion and noble Hawke never performs any of a noble's duties; Meredith decides to leave Ander's fate to you even as she goes after the circle in revenge; etc.
• A lot of dialog just sounds stupid, especially the "funny" Hawke.
• Dialog wheel is an unreliable indicator of what your character will actually say.
• Too many fakeouts with choices that should have tangible consequences but really dont.
• Too many cases where you're wondering "Why can't I just [x]?" and the answer is just because the story demands it.
• Your DAO choices just get lip service for the most part.
• Story is too linear. Feels like it's on rails.
• There is no sense of a cohesive narrative. Stuff just seems to happen while you're there, some of it to you, and that's it.
• Really lousy ending.
• Time-skips would make a lot more sense if they were months instead of years.

General WTF:

• Levels are reused way too much - ie. sewers should look like sewers, not generic warehouses.
• Too many completely pointless and vapid fetchquests.
• It's raining men.
• Time skips far ahead and everything looks the same. Fenris's mansion still has dead bodies in it, even.
• Those DirectX11 graphics really shouldn't need DirectX11.
• There's some DRM controversy I'm not clear on.

Not part of the game but still leaves a sour taste to accompany that DA2:

• Bioware/EA has locked some people out of their EA accounts for BSN forum behavior, which means they can't activate their DA2 game or download/install games they bought with EA's download service.
• Bioware has been caught secretly posting DA2 "user" reviews to inflate metacritic scores.
• Charging money for launch-day DLC.
• Project Ten Dollar: Adding "free" DLC for new copies so used copies cost $10 more paid to EA if they want the same content. Has the added, intentional effect of hurting your new copy's resale/regift value, unless you want to give away your Bioware account with it.
• Too many really bad and overpriced DLCs.
• DLC salesmen in DAO.
• Too much ridiculous pandering and exclusive promotions.
• Bioware seems almost proud of their mistakes.

Like I said, I haven't played the game, so I reckon I've missed stuff. But yes, there's a long list of bad decisions in DA2. I'm open for any further discussion and may revise this list as needed. This thread isn't an invitation to just complain but to give clear reasons for why you do or don't like DA2. Also, try to avoid quoting this post in its entirety.

Modifié par Mad Method, 20 août 2011 - 06:05 .

[John Epler]

If you're interested in participating in the discussion, please do so.

If you're interested in making pithy comments and scoring 'points', I heartily recommend you avoid indulging that urge.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 10 août 2011 - 05:19 .

[John Epler]

I'm not sure what's going on with this thread at this point, but it doesn't seem to be anything good.

Remember, everyone, that others are allowed to like and dislike games that may be different from the games you like and dislike. Rather than making sweeping generalizations about their character, address the points they make and remember that this is a discussion forum.

Anyways. Locking.