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[Darth Garrus]

Sorry about that. The wrong quote appeared in the post.

Right post just below. Again, sorry.

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 10 août 2011 - 04:00 .

[Monica21]

happy_daiz wrote...

I'm not saying that people that dislike or are disappointed by DA2 can't vent their frustrations. Quite the contrary. I think everyone has a right to express their feelings, good or bad, on the subject.

The point of bringing up the number of these threads is that you can do a simple search on the topic, and find a myriad of different threads, a lot of which are still open.

Because people are flawed and not everyone wants their opinion mashed into an already existing thread that got away from the original point anyway.

[Darth Garrus]

Monica21 wrote...

Honest answer? Because people loved Origins for specific reasons. I thought, "Awesome! I get a real RPG for a change!" And then everything was overhauled and not for the better in DA2. The second reason is that not everyone plays on release date. I just started playing a few days ago even though it's been out for six months. Expressions of disappointment are not limited to within a week or month of release.

I agree. I am in the same situation. Just started playing it, and it
has been a frustrating experience. Besides the technical stuff (that´s
been annoying enough), the game seems like a rushed quasi-rpg that don´t
really knows what it is. It feels like an rpg for some choices, and
having quests, but it guides you so much in other aspects that you feel
like a kid being led by the hand. And that is so not like a rpg.

The
lack of classes to choose from in the begining; the strange ability
progression; questionable art and acting. Lots of things that take you
away from what could have been a good experience.

It looks like
they are trying to repeat the experience of Mass Effect. And what I mean
is: ME is a fantastic shooter-RPG, where the decisions count, but
without the rpg full experience. But worked. DA seems to be trying to
take that idea and do it in the "medieval setting", in the tradition of
NWN, Baldur´s Gate etc. But it´s not working. They are not getting the
right formula for it. DA2, for example, seems just like a bad
attemptive. It feels guided and rushed, without either the rpg or action
feeling.

[Persephone]

bEVEsthda wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Why do people keep making these SAME threads over and over and over...?

There must be a daily quota. 

Because it's still there. Like a growth of cancer.
And moderators habitually lock old threads that are bumped. In particular always those critical to DA2.

So you guys are comparing DAII to cancer now? This is just SO classy anf mature, ah, the haters really have arguments I cannot refute. Never mind me actually losing my mother and sister to REAL cancer, you callous.....*restrains herself*

Never mind the OP admitting to only having played the demo and quoting what he has heard/read about the full game. Yes, that too is a sign of great wisdom indeed.

And the Mods do not lock threads that are critical of DAII. They lock threads that violate the rules, both positive & negative.

[VKmasa]

That list is spot on 100%.

[Addai]

bEVEsthda wrote...
And moderators habitually lock old threads that are bumped. In particular always those critical to DA2.

They lock redundant threads or those that get out of hand.  They do a good job of keeping the board from becoming a flea market of indiscriminate ******.

As to the OP, there are lots of reasons- but it feels like a game that was made by people who didn't like Origins, who didn't understand what other people liked about it, but who wanted to trade on fans' love for that game to push something cheap and rushed, then blame those disappointed people for not signing on.  Whether that's true or not, that's what it feels like.

[Elhanan]

Fandango9641 wrote...

People hate the game for different (entirely legitimate) reasons: some hate the way it looks; some hate the way it plays, whilst others (like me) hate what it stands for.

And then there are those of is that continue to play the game, and choose to ignore most of the cacophony....
 

Modifié par Elhanan, 10 août 2011 - 04:33 .

[Persephone]

Elhanan wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

People hate the game for different (entirely legitimate) reasons: some hate the way it looks; some hate the way it plays, whilst others (like me) hate what it stands for.

And then there are those of is that continue to play the game, and choose to ignore most of the cacaphony....

We are a myth, you cannot just swoop in and betray our existence!!! That just totally kills the mystery!

[csfteeeer]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Oh cmon, lets break the hate/love argument circle based on tons of wrong assumptions on all sides ...

"Everybody hates / loves that" ... not true, no one ever said it ...

"People hate DA2 coz people dont like changes" ... not true, people dont like BAD changes or poorly done changes

"People wanted Origins 2, which would be exactly like Origins" ... not true, people wanted to take everything whats good on Origins, polish it and then expand it with new stuff, new story etc. ... there was no reason to throw everything away and then overhaul it in such a short time like was done with DA2

"Opinions of people who hate DA2 are just subjective" ... this one is true, but the same apply for people who love DA2

This.

every single point is true, and i particularly get pissed when i see someone saying "People hate on it because it's Different", if that were true, i would hate Mass Effect 2 or The Witcher 2 because they're different from their first games, but rather, i prefer them over the original ones.

the thrid point was the best, there was no reason for such a succesful game to receive such an overhaul.

[LobselVith8]

Persephone wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Because it's still there. Like a growth of cancer.
And moderators habitually lock old threads that are bumped. In particular always those critical to DA2.

So you guys are comparing DAII to cancer now? This is just SO classy anf mature, ah, the haters really have arguments I cannot refute. Never mind me actually losing my mother and sister to REAL cancer, you callous.....*restrains herself*

Never mind the OP admitting to only having played the demo and quoting what he has heard/read about the full game. Yes, that too is a sign of great wisdom indeed.

And the Mods do not lock threads that are critical of DAII. They lock threads that violate the rules, both positive & negative.

I'm sorry to hear about your family members, Persephone, I know what it's like to lose family to cancer, but not everyone is comparing Dragon Age 2 to cancer. People are simply disappointed with the product, and Legacy seemed to only reaffirm (for some) that the problems with narrative and choice aren't being dealt with. I was willing to give Legacy a chance, but I was disappointed with the result.

[Persephone]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Because it's still there. Like a growth of cancer.
And moderators habitually lock old threads that are bumped. In particular always those critical to DA2.

So you guys are comparing DAII to cancer now? This is just SO classy anf mature, ah, the haters really have arguments I cannot refute. Never mind me actually losing my mother and sister to REAL cancer, you callous.....*restrains herself*

Never mind the OP admitting to only having played the demo and quoting what he has heard/read about the full game. Yes, that too is a sign of great wisdom indeed.

And the Mods do not lock threads that are critical of DAII. They lock threads that violate the rules, both positive & negative.

I'm sorry to hear about your family members, Persephone, I know what it's like to lose family to cancer, but not everyone is comparing Dragon Age 2 to cancer. People are simply disappointed with the product, and Legacy seemed to only reaffirm (for some) that the problems with narrative and choice aren't being dealt with. I was willing to give Legacy a chance, but I was disappointed with the result.

I adored Legacy and seeing the different outcomes REALLY makes me wonder about the consequences that final choice will have. Hopefully more than the Avernus vs. Sophia choice. Given the plot heavy implications, I doubt that Legacy will be as meaningless as the DAO DLC.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I do not hate DA2. But the impression I have is that there is little amount of respect put into it.

Comments like a lot of detail is useless and confusing. To [spoilers] turned nuts because they wanted a boss fight for the sake of it. To the encounter design that screams of laziness. To a generally very rushed story...etc etc.

All that makes it look like to me that they do not respect the franchise that much (so why should I?), and worse that they don't really respect customers. I certainly felt that my intelligence was insulted on numerous occasions.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I do not hate DA2. But the impression I have is that there is little amount of respect put into it.

Comments like a lot of detail is useless and confusing. To Orsino turned nuts because they wanted a boss fight for the sake of it. To the encounter design that screams of laziness. To a generally very rushed story...etc etc.

All that makes it look like to me that they do not respect the franchise that much (so why should I?), and worse that they don't really respect customers. I certainly felt that my intelligence was insulted on numerous occasions.

SPOILERS, KOP!

I'll be the first to say that I too feel that DAII was rushed. That it had flaws. Yet it's still my favorite Bioware game because I never got as deeply involved in any of my other Bioware characters. Or connected with my companions as much. But I never once felt disrespected by the devs or had my intelligence insulted by the game or Bioware itself. They weren't the ones telling me that I must be a 12 year old retard because I love DAII. It goes both ways, KOP. And Legacy showed me that the devs listen and that EA, hopefully, will give them the time they need for DAIII/DAII expansions.

[LobselVith8]

Persephone wrote...

I adored Legacy and seeing the different outcomes REALLY makes me wonder about the consequences that final choice will have. Hopefully more than the Avernus vs. Sophia choice. Given the plot heavy implications, I doubt that Legacy will be as meaningless as the DAO DLC.

The two choices lead to the same outcome, with only some superificial differences. Both of the surviving Wardens (in each outcome) seem to have the same result transpire, so I honestly don't see the difference. In fact, I don't see the point in the adventure, because nothing good came from it, and I can imagine lives will be lost because of what Hawke does at the end (through his inaction). The ending is very similar to the conclusion of "Shepherding Wolves."

[Persephone]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I adored Legacy and seeing the different outcomes REALLY makes me wonder about the consequences that final choice will have. Hopefully more than the Avernus vs. Sophia choice. Given the plot heavy implications, I doubt that Legacy will be as meaningless as the DAO DLC.

The two choices lead to the same outcome, with only some superificial differences. Both of the surviving Wardens (in each outcome) seem to have the same result transpire, so I honestly don't see the difference. In fact, I don't see the point in the adventure, because nothing good came from it, and I can imagine lives will be lost because of what Hawke does at the end (through his inaction). The ending is very similar to the conclusion of "Shepherding Wolves."

Let's just agree to disagree, shall we? Besides, this is a non spoiler forum.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
SPOILERS, KOP!

I'll be the first to say that I too feel that DAII was rushed. That it had flaws. Yet it's still my favorite Bioware game because I never got as deeply involved in any of my other Bioware characters. Or connected with my companions as much. But I never once felt disrespected by the devs or had my intelligence insulted by the game or Bioware itself. They weren't the ones telling me that I must be a 12 year old retard because I love DAII. It goes both ways, KOP. And Legacy showed me that the devs listen and that EA, hopefully, will give them the time they need for DAIII/DAII expansions.

If you do not feel insulted when they tell you that too much detail confuses and distracts you, or that they made an idiotic boss fight just for the sake of it and all the other examples, then good for you.

I felt insulted. And I did not feel that differently than when people are told they have to be 12 year olds to enjoy the game. I mean a wtf boss fight for the sake of it? Yes, I do not feel I am being treated with respect here.

And it's not the same, because you didn't give 60$ to those who insult your intelligence. I did.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
SPOILERS, KOP!

I'll be the first to say that I too feel that DAII was rushed. That it had flaws. Yet it's still my favorite Bioware game because I never got as deeply involved in any of my other Bioware characters. Or connected with my companions as much. But I never once felt disrespected by the devs or had my intelligence insulted by the game or Bioware itself. They weren't the ones telling me that I must be a 12 year old retard because I love DAII. It goes both ways, KOP. And Legacy showed me that the devs listen and that EA, hopefully, will give them the time they need for DAIII/DAII expansions.

If you do not feel insulted when they tell you that too much detail confuses and distracts you, or that they made an idiotic boss fight just for the sake of it and all the other examples, then good for you.

I felt insulted. And I did not feel that differently than when people are told they have to be 12 year olds to enjoy the game. I mean a wtf boss fight for the sake of it? Yes, I do not feel I am being treated with respect here.

And it's not the same, because you didn't give 60$ to those who insult you. I did.

Marketing talk means nothing to me. Lionhead Studios taught me well.

So how about getting past that.....almost 6 months later....? What good is there in holding a grudge for so long? I mean no offense but in my experience holding a grudge only makes one bitter.

[rak72]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I do not hate DA2. But the impression I have is that there is little amount of respect put into it.

Comments like a lot of detail is useless and confusing. To [spoilers] turned nuts because they wanted a boss fight for the sake of it. To the encounter design that screams of laziness. To a generally very rushed story...etc etc.

All that makes it look like to me that they do not respect the franchise that much (so why should I?), and worse that they don't really respect customers. I certainly felt that my intelligence was insulted on numerous occasions.

I SO agree with you on this, KOP.  it is the main reason why this game tics me off so much.  DAO wasn't perfect, but I didn't feel the need to come on the fourums and nit-pick it apart because I can tell it was made with love.  DA2 was slapped together haphazardly, then they get their slick marketing guy blowing smoke up everyone's butts telling them how awesome it was.  I felt very much like they were insulting my intelligence. 

I can enjoy entetainment that isn't  a work of art masterpiece, but don't throw The Expendables (which I did enjoy) in the DVD player  and tell me it's Cassablanca

Modifié par rak72, 10 août 2011 - 05:17 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
Marketing talk means nothing to me. Lionhead Studios taught me well.

So how about getting past that.....almost 6 months later....? What good is there in holding a grudge for so long? I mean no offense but in my experience holding a grudge only makes one bitter.

And at the end of the day, there was little effort put into detail regardless of what petty justification they used.

And since I am not going to bother explaining myself to anyone again because I see no reason to, I will respectfully just say that I do not want to get past it and I want to be bitter.

[Persephone]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

People hate the game for different (entirely legitimate) reasons: some hate the way it looks; some hate the way it plays, whilst others (like me) hate what it stands for.

And then there are those of is that continue to play the game, and choose to ignore most of the cacophony....
 

Ah yes, lest we forget those who managed to locate the awesome button

Right. That's the only reason why I enjoyed the game. Absolutely.

Except it is not. <_<

[John Epler]

If you're interested in participating in the discussion, please do so.

If you're interested in making pithy comments and scoring 'points', I heartily recommend you avoid indulging that urge.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 10 août 2011 - 05:19 .

[Anathemic]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
SPOILERS, KOP!

I'll be the first to say that I too feel that DAII was rushed. That it had flaws. Yet it's still my favorite Bioware game because I never got as deeply involved in any of my other Bioware characters. Or connected with my companions as much. But I never once felt disrespected by the devs or had my intelligence insulted by the game or Bioware itself. They weren't the ones telling me that I must be a 12 year old retard because I love DAII. It goes both ways, KOP. And Legacy showed me that the devs listen and that EA, hopefully, will give them the time they need for DAIII/DAII expansions.

If you do not feel insulted when they tell you that too much detail confuses and distracts you, or that they made an idiotic boss fight just for the sake of it and all the other examples, then good for you.

I felt insulted. And I did not feel that differently than when people are told they have to be 12 year olds to enjoy the game. I mean a wtf boss fight for the sake of it? Yes, I do not feel I am being treated with respect here.

And it's not the same, because you didn't give 60$ to those who insult you. I did.

Marketing talk means nothing to me. Lionhead Studios taught me well.

So how about getting past that.....almost 6 months later....? What good is there in holding a grudge for so long? I mean no offense but in my experience holding a grudge only makes one bitter.

In an attempt to persuade BioWare, derp.

Or if you're just me, hang around and give personal opinions about the game for the sole purpose of entertainment.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Marketing talk means nothing to me. Lionhead Studios taught me well.

So how about getting past that.....almost 6 months later....? What good is there in holding a grudge for so long? I mean no offense but in my experience holding a grudge only makes one bitter.

And at the end of the day, there was little effort put into detail regardless of what petty justification they used.

And since I am not going to bother explaining myself to anyone again because I see no reason to, I will respectfully just say that I do not want to get past it and I want to be bitter.

I did not ask you to explain yourself, KOP. I've read many of your posts. I simply consider you a dear friend and guess what....seeing my friends being bitter makes me sad.