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[Zenthar Aseth]

J.O.G wrote...

Actually the Grey wardens were expelled from Ferelden fro using the Right of Conscription too often and for political reasons. (At least so it is said)
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No, it was because they rebelled against the King.

[Raxtoren]

for some weird reason my favorite was Wynne.

[Darpaek]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Sometimes you just need to leave it all on luck. It's a test of character. If you are not willing to accept the chance of death there, you are not strong enough mentally.

Ergo, not being strong enough mentally - you deserve death?  To protect a secret whose protection is unrealistic in any other environment than the GW-barren Ferelden?  Several of your party members know.  The mages who prepared the blood at Ostagar know.

From those old Wardens we are introduced to through the story (through interaction or codex), there are too many that one would consider "Goodly."  Even the one we encounter that dabbles in demonology comes across as having "Goodly" motives.  At some point in history - particularly during 400 years of blight-less existence - one would assume that some ranking "Goodly" Warden would have implemented a consent system.  If not for just "Goodly" motives, than for practical ones: a professional army beats a conscription army pound-for-pound every time.

[vorian92]

Duncan is easily the most understanding character. And he knows whats at stake, defeat the blight at any cost, so that life is preserved.

[Ghandorian]

he goes around collecting people to see how many survive his initiation ritual. I wonder just how many young warriors he has killed in the name of the Grey Wardens!

[Darpaek]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

But has anyone ever been forced into the Grey Wardens? I don't remember any mention of such in the game, so..

What are you retarded?  Are you spouting your ignorant wisdom after a single playthru of an Origin?  Almost every PC is Conscripted (the city elf origin achievement is called "Conscripted").  Daveth was conscripted.  Did you even click on the dialogue options in the Joining that suggest your character may not want to go through with it?

Stop talking until you play more than one Origin (or play it in a way where you don't want to be a GW).

[Zenthar Aseth]

Darpaek wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Sometimes you just need to leave it all on luck. It's a test of character. If you are not willing to accept the chance of death there, you are not strong enough mentally.

Ergo, not being strong enough mentally - you deserve death? .

You don't deserve to be a Grey Warden.. the recruits were told several times before the Joining that it is dangerous.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Darpaek wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

But has anyone ever been forced into the Grey Wardens? I don't remember any mention of such in the game, so..

What are you retarded?  Are you spouting your ignorant wisdom after a single playthru of an Origin?  Almost every PC is Conscripted (the city elf origin achievement is called "Conscripted").  Daveth was conscripted.  Did you even click on the dialogue options in the Joining that suggest your character may not want to go through with it?

Stop talking until you play more than one Origin (or play it in a way where you don't want to be a GW).

I'd rather not waste my time with retards, but I'll shed some light to that dark cave of yours for this last time..

Try talking to Daveth, maybe?? Or are you too stupid to do that before you come here spouting things you have no idea about? Daveth says himself he has no problem with becoming a Grey Warden - the other way around...... Duncan only used the Conscription to save the recruits...... the recruits themselves wanted to join

So yeah.. if it's not crystal clear yet to you: Right of Conscription =/= forcing someone to join the Grey Wardens against their will

Modifié par Zenthar Aseth, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:02 .

[Darpaek]

Daveth says he was conscripted. Tell Duncan before Ostagar that you don't want to go with him with any PC. They're conscripted. No spoilers, but the player has the option of conscripting another Grey Warden near the end of the game.



You keep typing, but all I see is "Enchantment!"

[Hatem]

Riordan is my hero.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Gr4ntus wrote...

Riordan is my hero.

Very relevant! But why?

[Blank Syndrome]

I'm not going to lie, deception wouldn't be the best way to earn my loyalty. Even if I'd survived the trials and tribulations of becoming a Grey Warden, goblet of death included, I wouldn't be willing to place any measure of trust in Duncan from that point onward, and if you can't trust your comrades-in-arms, well...

Modifié par Blank Syndrome, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:40 .

[Zenthar Aseth]

What did he do to deceive?

[Blank Syndrome]

Ah, pardon me. "Misleads" would be more accurate, or perhaps "withholds information." I'd have knifed him the second he turned his back given the opportunity, so I'm probably not one to judge here, but there you go.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Hmm? He says the Joining is dangerous..

[Blank Syndrome]

Don't you think that's a little, I don't know, vague?

[Samurai Pumpkin]

Spoilers ho! oh well... but yeah in Daveth's case it was either that or to rot away in prison for his crime.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Blank Syndrome wrote...

Don't you think that's a little, I don't know, vague?

It's vague, so? What does it matter? You know it could be lethal.

[Blank Syndrome]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Blank Syndrome wrote...

Don't you think that's a little, I don't know, vague?

It's vague, so? What does it matter? You know it could be lethal.

Yes, well... If that's your train of thought - entirely valid, don't get me wrong - we have nothing further to discuss here.

[Duncan Grey Warden]

I feel the same way as you Dezhem. After playing all of the origins I found it rather hard to watch him (supposedly) die each time. I'm sure his alignment would be Neutral/Good or Lawful Good... either way he has the mind that everything is innocent until proven guilty. Though I do suspect one does not become a leader of an order without being able to slit a few throats in the name of the King.

I would also love to see his past life as I'm sure he had many skeletons in his closet. ^.^

[yummysoap]

The Grey Warden's are pretty much a pack of douches.

Awesome, bearded honourable douches, no doubt, but do you really think Jory would have opted for some Wardenism if he knew that in order to become one he had to ingest poison and hope that it doesn't kill him? Or that his lifespan would be slashed in half (provided he doesn't die in service)? Or that if he lived long enough he'd have to die getting torn apart from darkspawn, lest he succumb to a horrific disease? Or that he may have to sacrifice his life to slay an archdemon? Or that he may have to go through the terrors of shagging Morrigan to avoid that? (I jest, I jest! I love me some tent-time with my favourite witch)

"It's dangerous" could mean anything, and even so, he only told you "it's dangerous" after you were either conscripted or agreed to come, so you'd still probably have gotten a sword through you if you chose to opt out then. When I first played, I figured it would be just be some boss-fight or ultimate darskpawn massacre (I'm greatful that it wasn't), and so did Jory, judging by his "I've just never faced an enemy I couldn't kill with my blade" or something along the lines of that.

PLUS the guy was pleading about his family before he was murdered. If he'd known the level of commitment being a Grey Warden entails he would never have thought about joining the order. To him, he was just being invited to an elite order of warriors who fought darkspawn and grew awesome beards, and Duncan never exactly told him otherwise.

Modifié par yummysoap, 20 mai 2010 - 11:31 .

[Grimgor79]

It seems there is evil magic at work here!

[maxernst]

Hmm...no I think he's far from the most likeable guy in the game. I can respect, even admire him because of his dedication to a noble cause, but he very much believes that the ends justify the means. In the origins, I've played he basically exploits the PC's misfortunes to coerce him into joining the Grey Wardens, which isn't a particularly likeable thing to do...though I recognize that he sees it as necessary for the greater good.



I do think he's hot, though.

[Vicious]

No, he literally blackmailed my MHN's father and said, "i won't help your family unless you sell your son into servitude."



While I am glad Duncan was honorable enough to uphold the bargain, it didn't change that he was going to leave me to die unless I agreed to join his little club.

[hexaligned]

I can't say I find anything likeable about the man (other than his beard). He's the sort that would slit pretty much anyones throat and sacrifice anything to achieve his ends. You could respect his conviction I guess, it would be pretty naive and foolhardy to befriend the guy though.