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[Sharn01]

Its dangerous is hardly descriptive of taking poison. Given the information you are at the beginning most would assume that dangerous means you could die in combat.



The joining is pretty much playing russian roulette with two rounds in the cylinder. Here you go buddy, spin the cylinder and hold the revolver to your head, if you dont blow your brains out your a member.

[Gecon]

Most likeable character in a game ? I vote Imoen. Closest any game ever came to reallife unbelievably kind sympathy supermagnets, like Drew Barrymore.

Duncan is no competition for that position. Where this a D&D game, this guy would be clearly lawful neutral and everyone would, from that piece of information alone, know they hate him.

[Gecon]

Zahnfleisch wrote...

He's frickin' Aragorn and Chuck Norris in one person.

That might actually be true, but I dont like Aragorn and I dont know Chuck Norris, so meh.

[spottyblanket]

He is way more human in the Dragon Age Novel: The Calling but in the game, I see him more as a kind of jedi master. The older and wiser one, the one that knows everything and is a shining example. He is more of a teacher, than someone you can relate to on a personal level. I find Teagan of Redcliffe more likeable and admirable.

[Gecon]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

But has anyone ever been forced into the Grey Wardens? I don't remember any mention of such in the game, so..

Well, nope. Certain death, which is the case in multiple Origins (in fact, each and every one, except Mage), and is the fate of one of your fellow recruits, is certainly a perfectly acceptable alternative.

[spottyblanket]

People are forced into the grey wardens a lor more in awakening, mostly because they have no other alternative. Have you noticed, a lot of the grey wardens have dark pasts, aposate, thieves, blood mages, murderers? Thats because the best grey wardens are ones with nothing else to loose, they have no other choice, no family, no history. That is why Ser Jordy made a bad choice, he had a family and something tying him to the world. Longain joined because he faced certain death otherwise.

[k9medusa]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

But has anyone ever been forced into the Grey Wardens? I don't remember any mention of such in the game, so..

DAO:A

[sylvanaerie]

spottyblanket wrote...

He is way more human in the Dragon Age Novel: The Calling but in the game, I see him more as a kind of jedi master. The older and wiser one, the one that knows everything and is a shining example. He is more of a teacher, than someone you can relate to on a personal level. I find Teagan of Redcliffe more likeable and admirable.

Agreed.

[Xandurpein]

No. Not after he put his dagger in Ser Jory's belly. Protecting the secret or not, there is no way I would have acted like that if someone had balked at drinking the contents of the cup in Awakening.

Besides, as any reasonable person should know, the most likeable and adorable person in any game is Tali'Zorah of Mass Effect

(Although Imoen of BG2 is cetainly a wonderful and likeable character too)

[Addai]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

So yeah.. if it's not crystal clear yet to you: Right of Conscription =/= forcing someone to join the Grey Wardens against their will

A Cousland PC can be forced into the Grey Wardens, and so can a Dalish PC.

Most likeable?  My HNF thought he was a bastard and a half.  Twisting the arm of her dying father, implying he would only help save her life if she gave in to his demands, and helping to ensure that the Cousland name would likely die out.  Sure, it was to help end the Blight, but as Duncan himself said in the HN origin, if he didn't find a recruit in Highever, he would have moved on and got one elsewhere.  He did not need to conscript the Cousland heir.

[Nu-Nu]

I don'lt know about likeable. I was always wary of him. I even thought that maybe the big twist was that he was behind the whole plan to murder hnf parents to get her to join the wardens out of her own free will. I of course realise this not to be the case and through Alistair eyes I realise he was a decent enough bloke.



I didn't get long enough time with duncan to like him or dislike him.

[Suron]

Sure he is. If you like opportunistic murderers.

[Corker]

I'm not a big fan of "secret society that holds key information secret for extremely flimsy reasons," but I spent my adolescence watching the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. I hear that voice and "OMG, it's Splinter!"

[Tindl]

Vicious wrote...

No, he literally blackmailed my MHN's father and said, "i won't help your family unless you sell your son into servitude."

While I am glad Duncan was honorable enough to uphold the bargain, it didn't change that he was going to leave me to die unless I agreed to join his little club.

Yep, for HN I don't think Duncan acted honourably at all. My chars father and mother were told 'either you let me take your child or you watch as she/he dies by Howe's hand'.
My first play through, I played that I hated Duncan/GW having originally been interested in what they did. Second, I played openly hostile towards him, and this didn't diminish after the joining ceremony. I was actually almost pleased at his final outcome, and did not feel the same way as Alistair.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Suron wrote...

Sure he is. If you like opportunistic murderers.

Do not diss The Beard like that.

[Sarah1281]

I think it really depends on your origin. He was a lot more likeable when he was saving me from the deep roads than when he was dragging me away from my dying father and suddenly suicidal mother. Interestingly enough, the DN is the only origin where he never tries to conscript you.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think it really depends on your origin. He was a lot more likeable when he was saving me from the deep roads than when he was dragging me away from my dying father and suddenly suicidal mother. Interestingly enough, the DN is the only origin where he never tries to conscript you.

Exactly. HN is the one that shows the more ruthless, machivellian side of Duncan. But in other origins, Duncan really is pulling your fat out of the fryer, whatever his reasons.

[Radahldo]

Interestingly enough, the DN is the only origin where he never tries to conscript you.

Could he?
It's just the DN, Duncan and two other Wardens; what authority would Duncan even be appealing too? Theres nothing keeping the DN in the deep roads except whatever guilt they may have or a distant respect for the sentence laid on them.
I think thats why you just leave with him after:
"or stay here and die knowing your ancestors will reject you"
instead of being conscripted, since he can't force you to do anything

Modifié par Radahldo, 21 mai 2010 - 11:49 .

[HarlequinDream]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think it really depends on your origin. He was a lot more likeable when he was saving me from the deep roads than when he was dragging me away from my dying father and suddenly suicidal mother. Interestingly enough, the DN is the only origin where he never tries to conscript you.

This.

It also depends greatly on how you play the origins.

For a Dalish who wants desperately to search for Tamlen, you can easily hate Duncan. But if you accept that Tamlen's gone, Duncan's a savior. For a human noble, if you want to stay with your family, you can really hate Duncan, but if you play it as truly wanting to do your duty as your father tells you, then it's heartbreaking but you might not hate him.

Duncan can either be really likeable or really unlikeable, depending on the origin and who you play it.

[Murphys_Law]

There is a lot of people claiming Grey Warden's forced people to join in DA:O or DA:A. That is completely wrong, every situation they have a choice. People are confusing the choice of death as a non-option, but that is what would have happened to them if they didn't join (Daveth, Anders, Nat). As someone else mentioned, the fact that they have little choice in the matter is what gives them the ability to kill the darkspawn/save the world. They have nothing to lose.

[Sarah1281]

Murphys_Law wrote...

There is a lot of people claiming Grey Warden's forced people to join in DA:O or DA:A. That is completely wrong, every situation they have a choice. People are confusing the choice of death as a non-option, but that is what would have happened to them if they didn't join (Daveth, Anders, Nat). As someone else mentioned, the fact that they have little choice in the matter is what gives them the ability to kill the darkspawn/save the world. They have nothing to lose.

The only other option was death. That's like saying there is no such thing as having no choice ever because you could always just go off and die.

[Addai]

Murphys_Law wrote...

There is a lot of people claiming Grey Warden's forced people to join in DA:O or DA:A. That is completely wrong, every situation they have a choice. People are confusing the choice of death as a non-option, but that is what would have happened to them if they didn't join (Daveth, Anders, Nat). As someone else mentioned, the fact that they have little choice in the matter is what gives them the ability to kill the darkspawn/save the world. They have nothing to lose.

[alistair]  That is what you call a choice?  [/alistair]

Modifié par Addai67, 22 mai 2010 - 05:45 .

[Sarah1281]

To be fair to Loghain: Duncan dies before Loghain starts to crack so who even knows what would have happened. And Loghain had nothing to do with the Cousland massacre although he certainly did nothing to punish Howe and at least if you're a HN then he knew damn well what happened.