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[Seneva]

3 wardens 1 cup



eek

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Murphys_Law wrote...

There is a lot of people claiming Grey Warden's forced people to join in DA:O or DA:A. That is completely wrong, every situation they have a choice. People are confusing the choice of death as a non-option, but that is what would have happened to them if they didn't join (Daveth, Anders, Nat). As someone else mentioned, the fact that they have little choice in the matter is what gives them the ability to kill the darkspawn/save the world. They have nothing to lose.

The only other option was death. That's like saying there is no such thing as having no choice ever because you could always just go off and die.

(husband posting)

Not only that, but in Awakening with Howe, your character is given the power to recuit him even when he says he would rather be executed!   (edit) come to think of it you can also use the "You think I'm giving you a choice?" line on Ander's too.   You also do the same to Ander's although he balks a lot less...

Modifié par Addai67, 22 mai 2010 - 06:47 .

[Efesell]

I liked Duncan quite a bit.



I mean I felt a little bad for Jory, but hell you really shouldn't be pointing a sword at a guy who fights horrible monsters as a day job.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Duncan? Hmm... nope, not with you on that one. Duncan's ok but I didn't feel much attachment to him.

[CalJones]

I don't see Duncan and Loghain being all that different, actually, in so far as they are both prepared to do bad things for what they see as the greater good.

Duncan isn't an evil guy but he is pretty ruthless. In The Calling, he had orders to kill Maric if things went badly, and he was the one entrusted with that task because he has it in him to carry it through.

He certainly doesn't hesitate to put Ser Jory down.

The problem is that we don't really get to see the nicer side of him. Riordan said he cared for his recruits, but he's not around long enough for us to see that - we've only got Alistair's word for it. A conscripted Cousland would be fully justified in feeling resentful.

On the balance of things, I like Duncan and respect him, but I don't feel particularly passionate about him.

[Phaelducan]

I always wondered why Duncan didn't just tell Jory something like "Drink this... or I will be forced to kill you."



Given how important recruits were, at least it's the potential of another one, and it's clear that Jory wasn't rational in that scene. He freaked because he didn't know what he was in for and he has a pregnant wife at home, and the thing the dead guy next to him JUST drank out of is now in his face.



I don't see Alistair (if he was the senior warden) murdering a recruit without the ultimatum either, but meh, it's an opinion.

[Sarah1281]

I always wondered why Duncan didn't just tell Jory something like "Drink this... or I will be forced to kill you."

Why would he? Jory drew the sword because he just saw Daveth die and was afraid that the drink would kill him, too. He thought he had a better chance with his blade then seeing if his immune system or whatever was strong enough.

[M-Taylor]

Depends on what character I play, I suppose. Considering I normally play my characters as hating the grey wardens, and seeing it as a punishment.. No, I don't think Duncan is likeable. Infact, out of 13 play throughs, only 2 characters have liked him. ¬_¬

[Chuvvy]

I can't hear you over John Marston. Also I don't like Duncan maybe if there was more with him but since there wasn't I didn't like him

[old book]

I never liked Duncan as a person, but I do like him as a character.



In The Calling, he was a thief and murderer, one who felt some regret over killing a man he'd only meant to rob but who was entirely willing to murder again if ordered to do so. He was smart, and had empathy, compassion, loyalty, and considerable personal bravery. Those are all good ingredients for a fictional hero. In DA:O we know from Alistair that his men loved him. He treats all of his potential recruits with respect (including the HN, though he is forcing the HN to join). He's even respectful to Jory right up until the point he kills him, which goes back to his character from The Calling. He's an almost perfect Grey Warden. He's smart, controlled, deadly, and will do whatever it takes.



That said, as a person, no, I wouldn't want to be around him. He might decide to rob me because he's curious about my stuff or because he thinks it might come in handy, and to kill me if I resist. He'd have no respect for privacy or personal property. He'd be friendly and soft spoken and kill pretty much anyone if he thought it was the best way to deal with the situation. He's a Player Character. Player Characters are sociopaths.

[Sarah1281]

It annoys me how passive he is to the King. I was wanting him to be like "yo idiot i can sense the darkspawn that is a big ****ing army heading our way if you don't wait for reinforcements we are gonna be in some trouble probably unless you think i can shoot lightning out of my ass and kill a horde of darkspawn you better ****ing wait for reinforcments".

He does point out that the King is one of their only allies and just think about how much harder stopping the Blight gets when the new ruler hates the Wardens. Best to avoid pissing Cailan off.

[Nerdage]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It annoys me how passive he is to the King. I was wanting him to be like "yo idiot i can sense the darkspawn that is a big ****ing army heading our way if you don't wait for reinforcements we are gonna be in some trouble probably unless you think i can shoot lightning out of my ass and kill a horde of darkspawn you better ****ing wait for reinforcments".

He does point out that the King is one of their only allies and just think about how much harder stopping the Blight gets when the new ruler hates the Wardens. Best to avoid pissing Cailan off.

Still, since both Cailan and Loghain apparently knew they couldn't win the battle I would think Duncan could've figured it out too, and to let the entire army die out of meekness is hard to justify.

He's one of the characters I like most in this game, at least as much as my favourite companions, but in any game? Somebody said Imoen a while back, I'd be tempted to agree with them, wouldn't mind a companion like her in the in the next game but that's a whole different thread.

[Sarah1281]

I thought Ostagar was winnable if there were as few darkspawn as they estimated and the big problem was that the darkspawn obfuscated their numbers in the first two skirmishes so they could take the entire army out there.

[Addai]

Even if they thought the battle was unwinnable- which you can never really know- they had to try to break the horde. There is no such thing as retreat when your enemy can spread sickness to the very land they touch.

[Nerdage]

Well if they man who starts the RtO quest is to be believed, not to mention Loghain, they both thought the battle was unwinnable, makes me wonder why Cailan would allow Loghain's nationalism to doom him. And it sounds to me like, if they'd retreated far enough, they could've more than doubled the size of the army, with the orlesian chevaliers / wardens, plus Eamon's troops and all the allies opend up by the treaties you retrieve.

Modifié par nerdage, 22 mai 2010 - 09:31 .

[Sarah1281]

I woudn't take that guy at his word. He's likely just projecting and the only reason he thought Cailan showed any doubts was because he wasn't going to hold onto the important key when riding into battle.

[Tirigon]

I like Duncan, but I wouldn´t say he´s the most likeable.

[Nerdage]

Perhaps, but Loghain certainly had doubts and, even though there was now way he'd allow the Orlesians into Ferelden, he could still have increased his numbers greatly by a tactical retreat through the forces already in Ferelden, and if Loghain (the more knowledgeable of the two) thought they couldn't win then I can't see why Duncan wouldn't see it too.

[Sarah1281]

What?

[Sarah1281]

Cailan's the one who won't hear of Eamon coming, though, and he has no idea that Eamon's sick. Word of his illness doesn't start to spread until after Ostagar when the knights went looking for the Urn despite the fact he started being poisoned before.