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[GreyWardenRjak]

I'm a level 11 rogue, waiting patiently for the assassination specialization to unlock.

For 4 levels now.

And it's unlocked by Zevram?

...really...

that guy from 25 saves ago?

Oh I know there's some manual that unlocks after some landsmeet in another 10 levels .... but what you're saying is that the specialization was seriously buried in dialog with what seemed like an incedental footnote character of zero consequence.


....wow.....

I've never had such enjoyment of a game come to such a complete screeching halt.

Alright ... enough of this crap ... on to AC2...

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, who would think an ASSASSIN sent to kill you, who says he's part of the Antivan Crows, Thedas' most famous group of ASSASSINS might unlock the ASSASSIN specialization?

I'd have never seen that coming. Not in a million.

Now, I wonder who teaches SHAPECHANGING?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 novembre 2009 - 02:41 .

[marshalleck]

Talking to Zev and giving him gifts to raise his approval and convince him to teach you is very very hard. Insurmountable, even.

[thethain]

You do know. I hope.. that when you unlock the spec its available on all characters, so if this is your first, go get duelist and live for alittle longer. If it is your second, go buy the book on a previous save game.



Last. ALWAYS keep save games available from different points, for example I highly recomend saving before you save the queen, so that you can choose to be captured and see how effective (or ineffective) party members can try to talk past guards to rescue you.

[thethain]

jynthor wrote...

You see names like 200.000 times in the game.

Yet some people can't spell it.

Its not as if the names are Bob, John, Melinda, James, or other traditional names. I still mispell Orzamar, and possibly Morrigan (two rs?).

But if you read the OP. You should know that he killed Zevran. Therefore did not see his name but for a brief moment in time. do you know the girls name who lost her brother in redcliff off the top of your head. Or the knight and the rogue from ostagar who died in the ritual. In his game Zevran has a much shorter appearance than either of those.

And also, as the previous posters mentioned. If you REALLY were planning on being an assassin, and you captured an assassin, and had the option to talk to him, don't you think you should actually not just slit his throat?

[Tankenminnet]

If you don't know he's a companion from the start, there really is no reason to spare him. You can't blame a player for not reading up extensively on the game. I also think the whole assassin unlock is stupid- in order to be an assassin, you need to let another rogue join you and gain approval and ****, just to learn the unlock. After the landsmeet is done the game is practically over anyway, you'll be lucky if you level up twice.



Poor design indeed, I was disappointed too.

[Zoe Dedweth]

Some people are never happy.

[Ashimmu]

You can buy it from a merchant in the Denerim alienage too.

[thethain]

I knew he was a companion the second I talked to him and he was not voiced by the most generic voice imaginable. If you did not, I'm sorry. If you chose Kill him, when the only options were (1. Talk 2.Kill him) Then I guarantee that you will miss many parts of the story (therefore many opportunities for upgrades/items) by taking the short route.



I for example didnt have a spirit healer until denerum, because when Wynn met me in the tower she gave me some lip, and I told her I didn't care to have her following me around while I saved the tower. She attacked me, I killed her. Next playthrough however, I had spirit healer at level 7.



No game is going to be designed so that you can just click any button you wish at any point and still have everything turn out exactly as you planned.

[Medivan]

Every companion (Except Shale/Dog/Sten) has a Spec that they can teach you to have it unlocked on your account for yourself or any other companions.

[KnightofPhoenix]

All I can say to the op is:....epic fail.

[Taltherion]

Well, isn't that - up to a point - the point of RPGs? You make a decision and you live with it. Most of us have been calling for "more decisions that really influence our game" - now we've been given such a game. If you decide to kill Zevran, live with the consequences. It's the way of such games that you can't have everything during one playthrough.

[zeos386sx]

yeah, i killed zevran and after i thought oh wait that guy probably could have taught me assassination.



live and learn.

[Ginnerben]

Tankenminnet wrote...

If you don't know he's a companion from the start, there really is no reason to spare him. You can't blame a player for not reading up extensively on the game. I also think the whole assassin unlock is stupid- in order to be an assassin, you need to let another rogue join you and gain approval and ****, just to learn the unlock. After the landsmeet is done the game is practically over anyway, you'll be lucky if you level up twice.

Poor design indeed, I was disappointed too.

Yeah, because that's different to Shapeshifter, Spirit Healer, Berserker, Templar or Bard... 

And I'm not sure of the relevance of "Landsmeet" to this.  I'm pretty sure Zevran is one of the first random encounters you get.  

[Varenus Luckmann]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yes, who would think an ASSASSIN sent to kill you, who says he's part of the Antivan Crows, Thedas' most famous group of ASSASSINS might unlock the ASSASSIN specialization?

I'd have never seen that coming. Not in a million.

Now, I wonder who teaches SHAPECHANGING?

It cannot possibly be the shapechanger! Oh, my, my world is turned upside-down! Nothing makes sense anymore! 

[Fanderay]

I actually wish ALL the specializations were like this. I like that you need to make important decisions to get assassination, or blood magic, etc. It raises the replay value of the game, and makes it more interesting. It kind of annoys me when I see spec books at vendors.

[Chuzza]

thethain wrote...

 the knight and the rogue from ostagar who died in the ritual. In his game Zevran has a much shorter appearance than either of those.

Ser Jory and Daveth respectively, that took me 2 seconds to remember and i haven't seen them for 35 hours of play time.

[TheSmilingDude]

My biggest gripe is the fact they stay unlocked for subsequent playthroughs, this really makes unlocking them in the first place seem rather stupid...

[javierabegazo]

Don't be upset just because you were unattentive

[javierabegazo]

It shouldn't be so easy to get all the specializations anyway, I don't know why people cry about a challenge. And its not a challenge anyways, Zev's the easiest to romance, and just save before talking, get the specialization, then reload. How could you possibly have a hard time about it.



It's much better for the game for RP'ing reasons to have an ASSASSIN teach you the specialization than just wait till Level ? and magically you're an assassin.

[sylkwyrm1]

wynne (hag) doesn't unlock spirit healer for you, i got her to 100 and was at level 18 before i worked out i -had- to buy the manual.



Hag.



just saying in case anyone else wastes as much time as i did.

[Kepha]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

wynne (hag) doesn't unlock spirit healer for you, i got her to 100 and was at level 18 before i worked out i -had- to buy the manual.

Hag.

just saying in case anyone else wastes as much time as i did.

A dev confirmed that's because the way she became a spirt healer is non-standard, and she doesn't understand it well enough to teach it. 

[sylkwyrm1]

yeah thats how i found out, saw the same post, i was finally wondering why she wouldn't teach me, been saving spec and talent points and got tired of waiting.

Hag.

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 21 novembre 2009 - 06:02 .

[Tankenminnet]

Ginnerben wrote...

Tankenminnet wrote...

If you don't know he's a companion from the start, there really is no reason to spare him. You can't blame a player for not reading up extensively on the game. I also think the whole assassin unlock is stupid- in order to be an assassin, you need to let another rogue join you and gain approval and ****, just to learn the unlock. After the landsmeet is done the game is practically over anyway, you'll be lucky if you level up twice.

Poor design indeed, I was disappointed too.

Yeah, because that's different to Shapeshifter, Spirit Healer, Berserker, Templar or Bard... 

And I'm not sure of the relevance of "Landsmeet" to this.  I'm pretty sure Zevran is one of the first random encounters you get.  

And all of that is pretty ****ty design too, but most of them have manuals you can get relatively early on, thank god. The Landsmeet is practically just the final part of the game, so unlocking anything by then is so fruitless and pointless.