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[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You're forgetting that The Wardens meets an elven/human man (Slim) in Origins who looks completely human; Feynriel looks as elven as he does because of an artistic change in the series (which is why Zevran looks nothing like he did in Origins).

And who's to say they didn't change Slim to be... slim? Maybe he went on a Thedosian Jenny Craig diet  

For a man from the Alienage, he certainly looked like he ate well. I guess crime really does pay.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And I liked Zevran's new look. A few minor tweaks and he'd look great.

You're clearly confusing Merrill for Zevran.

[caradoc2000]

Fiona is not Alistair's mother. Check his birth certificate:
Father: Maric Theirin
Mother: not Fiona

[whykikyouwhy]

I have a hazy recollection of some speculation somewhere (probably some corner of the BSN) that Anders may have been Maric's son (or rather, one of them). I don't know if the years add up, but he has the mage talent... *shrug*

[thats1evildude]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

not to mention Alistair doesn't look anything like a person who has both human and elf blood in their veins.

With Feynriel, he's human but the elf-blood gave him slightly pointed ears and a narrow head.

Feyrnriel was kind of a special case, as he had magical talent that even full-blooded elves no longer had. The Force elven magic runs strong in his family.

And his ears look pretty round to me.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 11 août 2011 - 06:12 .

[ProneToGlory]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Fiona is not Alistair's mother. Check his birth certificate:
Father: Maric Theirin
Mother: not Fiona

Stubborn Much? Have you read the book, it clearly states, that its a baby that looks alot like Cailan, and Maric even states that he isnt telling Loghain and Eamon

[thats1evildude]

ProneToGlory wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Fiona is not Alistair's mother. Check his birth certificate:
Father: Maric Theirin
Mother: not Fiona

Stubborn Much? Have you read the book, it clearly states, that its a baby that looks alot like Cailan, and Maric even states that he isnt telling Loghain and Eamon

I think he's being sarcastic, PTG. He's pulling your leg. Putting you on. Playing you for a patsy. He's selling you a pouch of Andraste's Sacred Ashes and you've bought it, hook line and sinker. He's shanking your Jory.  Cupping your Joining. Mastering your taint. Dueling your Arishok. Fixing your Eluvian. Idoling your Meredith. Verbing your noun.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 11 août 2011 - 07:22 .

[kyuubifred]

Pretty sure Gaider has said that elf-blooded humans are fully human, with no physical features pointing otherwise. Whether the lore was changed a bit in DA2 with Feynriel...maybe Feynriel is just a special case, I don't know. Anyways, Alistair's appearance doesn't discount him from possibly being elf-blooded.

[EmperorSahlertz]

ProneToGlory wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Fiona is not Alistair's mother. Check his birth certificate:
Father: Maric Theirin
Mother: not Fiona

Stubborn Much? Have you read the book, it clearly states, that its a baby that looks alot like Cailan, and Maric even states that he isnt telling Loghain and Eamon

Exactly. He tells Eamon and Loghain nothing, but both had full knowledge of Alistair.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Exactly. He tells Eamon and Loghain nothing, but both had full knowledge of Alistair.

I think the intent was that Maric wouldn't tell Eamon or Loghain about Alistair's true parentage, if he is indeed Fiona's child.

[ProneToGlory]

Right he told them both a Servant at Redcliffe was his mistress and didnt tell them anything about Fiona

[Dave of Canada]

Loghain talks about Alistair existing when Rowan was still alive and that he had to stop Maric from acknowledging him, the novel takes place after Rowan is dead. in addition to Goldanna knowing about Alistair's existence. There wouldn't be a reason to tell anything about Alistair to Goldanna if they weren't related.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 août 2011 - 10:10 .

[Addai]

For accuracy's sake- Maric is being dodgy with Loghain because he's secretly meeting with Grey Wardens, and he doesn't even know there's a baby involved. He then says "Loghain won't like this," and Fiona says "it doesn't have to be that way." None of that rules out him telling Loghain about the baby later, or Loghain finding out somehow. No mention of Eamon is made in that part of The Calling at all. Maric says he'll raise the baby "somewhere close to court." Eamon fits because he's Maric's BIL and a trusted ally.

I assume the bit about Rowan in Loghain's dialogue is left over from when Alistair was originally meant to be older (and in my theory, the son of Katriel) and was never taken out in the revision. According to teh Gaider, Alistair is early 20s. Born AFTER Rowan's death. So even if we assume Maric did boff a maid and father two bastards within a year or two of each other, that line in Origins is a flub.

I wish DG would confirm or deny because I'm tired of repeating myself. lol

[ProneToGlory]

He's never going to, we're squirming too much to figure it out

[Merilsell]

What Addai said.

Also imagine Loghain's head spinning, when he would have known that Maric had fathered a bastard with an ORLESIAN GREY WARDEN ELF MAGE. I actually don't know which term of them Loghain would find most appalling xD

[LobselVith8]

Merilsell wrote...

What Addai said.

Also imagine Loghain's head spinning, when he would have known that Maric had fathered a bastard with an ORLESIAN GREY WARDEN ELF MAGE. I actually don't know which term of them Loghain would find most appalling xD

I'm pretty certain 'Orlesian' and 'Grey Warden' would be terms that Maric would make certain to avoid in revealing anything to Loghain.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ProneToGlory wrote...

 So FIONA is Alistair's mother. WTF! Surprise surprise I guess, anyone think we'll see Fiona in future games?

Considering Maric's history with hot elven women, there could be quite a few royal bastards about the place.

[ProneToGlory]

I wish we had more Hot Elven Women

[Sepewrath]

LobselVith8 wrote...
You're forgetting that The Wardens meets an elven/human man (Slim) in Origins who looks completely human; Feynriel looks as elven as he does because of an artistic change in the series (which is why Zevran looks nothing like he did in Origins).

Well if the races work in any way similar to how race works in the real world, that's not an issue. You can have one black parent and one white parent and the kid doesn't necessarily come out looking mixed, it looks like one or the other. That could be the case with Alistair.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why would both Loghain and Eamon
then keep the cover up? Loghain could easily have used it against
Alistair that he is an elfblood, yet he kept it secret (assuming
Alistair is Fiona's son). I doubt Alistair is actually Fiona's son, and
that Fiona's child is still at large, and unknown.

I don't think either would have known, when she told Maric about the kid she came under false pretenses, neither Loghain or especially Eamon would have known she was pregnant while she was back at Weisshaupt. Then she told Maric to lie and I would assume he would lie to Loghain and Eamon as well. It would also explain Duncan's protection of Alistair even before the Blight started, he couldn't have known going there that Cailan would decide the frontlines is the best place for a king. The only question would be, is why did Goldanna's mother agree to the story, they would of had to pay well for that.

[ProneToGlory]

wasn't goldanna's mom a servering girl?

[Carmen_Willow]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

not to mention Alistair doesn't look anything like a person who has both human and elf blood in their veins.

With Feynriel, he's human but the elf-blood gave him slightly pointed ears and a narrow head.

Technial limitations, maybe? Like the Qunari and their lack of horns in DA: O. Plus, it may be a artistic change. Alistair being so loved by the fandom, I don't think they would want to change his look to look more like a elf.

they would only have to give him slightly pointed ears to drive the point home that he has elven blood if they didn't want to change the actual face.

If they so much as breathe on Alistair's ears, the torches and pitchforks will be out in force!

[Sepewrath]

ProneToGlory wrote...

wasn't goldanna's mom a servering girl?

Yeah, but she would of had to go along with the story to sell it and they certainly didn't seem to pay her well, based on Goldanna's living conditions lol. She would of had to be an absolute moron to not know the value of blackmailing a king, or maybe she did it out of loyalty to Maric. That would explain things.

[Dave of Canada]

Didn't Alistair's "mother" die in childbirth? Who would they have needed to pay? "Oh, we'll pay you. Just prepare to die immediately and pretend you died in child birth."

Hell, why would they have to inform Goldanna that Maric had a child with Goldanna's mother if it was a fake if they were trying to keep it secret?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[HighMoon]

Hmm. Perhaps. I really need to read those novels, to bad they aren't available on Iphone.

I suspect Maric has more than one bastard alive in Thedas at the moment. For such a respected figure he is really a bit of a man****, much in the same way as Zeus.

Also, I just got flashbacks to the theories suggesting that Morrigan was Alistair's half-sister.

[Ulicus]

The timeline problems regarding Alistair being Fiona's son aside -- I'd figure they're mistakes rather than things actually barring it from being true -- I'm not too keen on the idea because of how obvious a retcon it seems to be.

Duncan keeping an eye on Alistair's upbringing (assuming they're one and the same) is weird, too. You'd think that detail was added to underscore exactly why his loss was such a blow to Alistair... yet we're led to believe that Alistair had no inkling Duncan was around until he was recruited. So, all in all, it seems kind of... pointless? I suppose it gives it a bit of a Luke and Obi-Wan vibe.

Still, I'm not sure what was wrong with Maric simply having a moment of weakness and knocking up a serving girl. *shrug*

EDIT: That said, if Alistair is Fiona's son, I hope something is made of it. Even if ideally I hope he's his own character, since you can never have enough badass bastards of Maric.

Modifié par Ulicus, 13 août 2011 - 10:04 .