Lateralus2001 wrote...
In contrast to Chaotic Clown's arguement that Vicoinia isn't infact evil, but was just part of an evil society. I don't agree.
When the player discovers Viconia in BG1 Chaotic Clown argued she choose to flee and seek out reason not violence. But Viconia as her ingame bio notes lost her powerful clerical powers granted by Lolth when she fled the underdark. She had to start again as such as a cleric of Shar. She really only seeked the players help to save her own skin. She wasn't srong enough to survive without the partys help.
It may differ for each individual as to when they meet Viconia. I am not sure. But when I met Viconia she was equiped with chainmail armor, a small shield or a buckler and a mace. She was also packing a few spells, two of which were "Command". I believe she also had "Entangle" and "Hold Person" at her disposal. Upon choosing to aid Viconia at which stage the Flaming FIist Mercenary attacked both Viconia and Tigar (my Fighter), Viconia (of her own free will as she was yet to join my party and thus was not under my control) began to cast spells.
So I think it is unfair to say she was not powerful enough to handle the situation on her own, if violence had been her chosen solution. I would favor a Cleric with those spells to take out a solitary Flaming Fist Mercenary. A level 1 Cleric could cast "Sancturary" to have an opponent ignore their existance. That level 1 Cleric could then buff themselves via "Bless" before moving to a safe distant before breaking "Sancturary" to cast either "Entangle" or "Command". It is far from a one sided battlefield.
Lateralus 2001 wrote...
She is as dismissive and racist towards most surfacers as they are to her.
It is not always recommended to fight fire with fire, but she is only guilty of treating others as they would treat her. If anything it is naive behavior. Retaliation as opposed to incitement.
Lateralus 2001 wrote...
She mentions regularly the studipity of surface society and their more tolerant rules. In short, she never in the game completely rejects the evil drow ideology and harsh violent world. When the parties reputation is well liked what does she say "Surface Dwellers can be so stupid". In other words the evil Drow way is the way to be.
In contrast Drizzt left the Underdark and was excepted into surface society reasonably quickly for a member of such an evil race. And that is because of two things:
1. His good actions began to earn trust/respect
2. His good nature meant he adapted to the more tolerant surface laws quickly. Because he believed in his heart these ways were better than the Drows.
Viccy often shows no sympathy or compassion to surfacers in the game when the pc chooses to help them, berating him/her for his compassion. She is a very selfish, self-serving indivdual.
She may not be as obviously evil as Korgan, Xzar, Monty or Edwin etc but IMO she IS evil.
This is all an example of Viconia still finding her feet in a different society. The laws of the surface are foreign to her. She is not breaking these laws. She is simply disagreeing with them, yet, still abiding by them.
Is it that she fails to completely let go of the harsh drow ideology? Or is it that she fails to yet understand the exact nature of the more tolerant surface ideology? Taking into consideration that the player character is the first surface dweller to actually show her this tolerant ideology as opposed to the harsh drow ideology as displayed by those of the surface, such as the Flaming Fist Mercenary and the rest who have either judged her or victimized her.
Viconia is a confused soul who is attempting to find out exactly who and what she is, if only she would be given the chance to undertake such a journey without being judged on prejudice and hate.
Drizzt earned trust and respect. Granted. But he was and is first and foremost, feared by all. It would take a brave or perhaps a foolish sole to try and take advantage of Drizzt. An entire company of Gnolls learned this the hard way. Viconia on the other hand is not a feared warrior nor an intimiadating figure. She casts a rather weak shadow, one many would attempt to take advantage of and victimize without concern of retribution.
It is an interesting clash of views. But a welcome one.
I did not edit Viconia's alignment, nor recruit her as a result. This discussion is an example as to why. It is a difficult one to pin down. Perhaps the best solution would be that Viconia should be exempt from the reputation meter, as such that she will never leave the party unless instructed to do so, similar to Imoen. I find that Viconia is meant to meet the player character and meant to join them on their quest. With Viconia being an outcast of surface society if the player character turns her away it then raises a moral question over a good aligned player making such a choice, and leaves a character in need of a helping hand to travel a harsh and lonely road.
Is there a CLUA command to stop Viconia leaving the party due to reputation?
Retour en haut
no reputation management. But I similarly like the idea of bringing Viconia on board which would require (as I would prefer) a reputation of 15 and involve a) reputation management, and 
