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[whykikyouwhy]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

About the Kossith ,seems like they had a society not so different from the chantry or Imperium.
Meaning those in power have a good life , those who don't were left behind.I don't know what drove their society , money , magic , faith etc...They were probably some "decadence" going on since the Qun had many followers.And we don't see any Kossith but Qunari and Tal vashoth.

There is also the rumors of human coming from Par Vollen ..But Qunari never mentions it .And they seems to know nothing of the Blight when we met Sten.
And one thing i found strange when you meet a Saarebas , a Qunari says even templars doesn't fully understand the threat mages are.They are really scared of magic and act like it's a disease.

The Kossith that came were Qunari, hence they are divided into Qunari and Vashoth (which is just, people who stopped being Qunari).

Why would they mention humans coming from Par Vollen? That was at least a few thousand years before the Qunari arrived, and humans only had minor settlements by the time they did arrive.

There's this blurb in the wiki:

"Elven lore holds that the humans first arrived in Thedas from Par Vollen. They are thought to have arrived around 4,500 years after the founding of Arlathan, and nearly 2000 years before the official foundation of the Tevinter Imperium."

[BigEvil]

T3H Fish wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

I believe the banners in the Qunari compound in Act 3 are simply Chantry banners, the Seekers use very similar symbols to the normal Chantry ones but I'd imagine the banners would match the armour. IIRC the ones in the compound are red and gold, while Seeker banners (if they would have something so high profile) would be black and silver.

I could be remembering the banners we see there incorrectly though.

"During Act 3 in the docks, you can see fortifications in the now closed-off Qunari Compound where a symbol of (presumably) the Seekers is visible, foreshadowing their interest in the events at Kirkwall."
-Dragon Age Wiki

You could be right, and it's just a matter of similarity, but then Divine Justina V didn't seem to take any interest in Kirkwall until Act 3. From what I've read, the Seekers are suppose to be 'watching' over the Templars, to be sure they don't over-step their bounds... which of course Meredith was doing, so that would be a viable explaination for their sudden involvement.

Also forgot to note that the Seekers also are responsible for hunting down the craftier and more dangerous maleficar that the Templars can't handle. According to a DA2 Codex entry, the Seeker Order isn't all that 'secretive' within the scope of the Chantry, since it would seem Templars who have high-rankings or been in the Order for a while are at least, albiet somewhat, aware of their existence and purpose.

Except that quote from the wiki is not a codex entry or any official information, it's someone's guess, hence the word presumably. Also, putting up banners in an area we can only see at that point seems like a very weak way of foreshadowing the Seekers. Anyway, apart from Leliana's cameo the Seekers don't show up in Kirkwall until three years after the battle at the Gallows, unless like Hawke they enjoy waiting three years before doing something. They still don't do anything apart from have Cassandra interrogate Varric and then march out of Kirkwall again.

As for the Seekers not being all that secretive, they cannot have it both ways. One codex entry might describe them doing that, and being known by Templars that have been around a while, but then this codex bascially says the opposite:
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Seekers_of_Truth

Given that it's a letter to a Ser Whitmore, I'd imagine he's a ranked or knighted Templar like Ser Alrik and Ser Karras, etc. Judging by the letter he doesn't know about the Seekers.

Which brings me to another point, Leliana the hand of the Divine, investigator of problems, doer of nothing. People are always bashing Hawke for never doing anything worthwhile, not being proactive and so on, yet Leliana for some reason gets a free pass on the inactivity and ineptitude. She gets sent to Kirkwall to investigate and all she does is kill two mages in a cutscene (something we would have had no problem doing ourselves) and has a short conversation with Hawke. Even the drunks in the Hanged Man know more about the problems with Meredith than Leliana. So the options seem to be that either Leliana is incompetent or just as corrupt as the rest of the Chantry. This is what the Seekers are supposed to do according to the codex entry above, investigate abuses in the Circle, and she turns a complete blind eye to everything that's going on.

It seems like the Seekers wouldn't have even bothered turning up in Kirkwall, three years late, if Hawke hadn't picked a side and eliminated Meredith and Orsino. I'm not saying Leliana should do anything much, she is just a cameo, but she could have done something more than she did. She could have at least said to Hawke that her investigation had uncovered widespread problems with the Circle and the Templars and she would bring it to the Divine. At least that would leave me with the impression that by the time it takes Leliana to get back to the Divine things come to a head and Hawke has to go on without her intervention.

Well, this is going off-topic into just ranting about things. Here's a bit of speculation based on this, the reason the Seekers do nothing and seem terrible at their job is they wanted all of this to happen. They saw the widespread problems and corruption of the Chantry and decided if the mages and Templars broke away the Seekers could use it as an excuse to clean house completely, wipe out anyone who was part of the problem and rebuild the Chantry, Templar Order and Circles from the ground up with reforms and better structure.

[whykikyouwhy]

@BigEvil - Leliana's ineffectualness may only be from this small pocket of the DA universe that we are allowed to see. With her, and with so many other things going on, I think there are machinations going on in the background. And in the next game or in a future DLC, we'll see a hint, a clue, a codex entry, or talk to an NPC and get to know what actions were running concurrent to things in Kirkwall.

That seems to be the way of things at least. It may be that Leliana's hands are tied in one or two matters, but she is actually working on or toward something more vital, Seeker or otherwise.

Just my opinion, and my personal hope. But I've found myself surprised by the turn of events with some characters, if even only by the casual mention.

[esper]

BigEvil wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

I believe the banners in the Qunari compound in Act 3 are simply Chantry banners, the Seekers use very similar symbols to the normal Chantry ones but I'd imagine the banners would match the armour. IIRC the ones in the compound are red and gold, while Seeker banners (if they would have something so high profile) would be black and silver.

I could be remembering the banners we see there incorrectly though.

"During Act 3 in the docks, you can see fortifications in the now closed-off Qunari Compound where a symbol of (presumably) the Seekers is visible, foreshadowing their interest in the events at Kirkwall."
-Dragon Age Wiki

You could be right, and it's just a matter of similarity, but then Divine Justina V didn't seem to take any interest in Kirkwall until Act 3. From what I've read, the Seekers are suppose to be 'watching' over the Templars, to be sure they don't over-step their bounds... which of course Meredith was doing, so that would be a viable explaination for their sudden involvement.

Also forgot to note that the Seekers also are responsible for hunting down the craftier and more dangerous maleficar that the Templars can't handle. According to a DA2 Codex entry, the Seeker Order isn't all that 'secretive' within the scope of the Chantry, since it would seem Templars who have high-rankings or been in the Order for a while are at least, albiet somewhat, aware of their existence and purpose.

Except that quote from the wiki is not a codex entry or any official information, it's someone's guess, hence the word presumably. Also, putting up banners in an area we can only see at that point seems like a very weak way of foreshadowing the Seekers. Anyway, apart from Leliana's cameo the Seekers don't show up in Kirkwall until three years after the battle at the Gallows, unless like Hawke they enjoy waiting three years before doing something. They still don't do anything apart from have Cassandra interrogate Varric and then march out of Kirkwall again.

As for the Seekers not being all that secretive, they cannot have it both ways. One codex entry might describe them doing that, and being known by Templars that have been around a while, but then this codex bascially says the opposite:
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Seekers_of_Truth

Given that it's a letter to a Ser Whitmore, I'd imagine he's a ranked or knighted Templar like Ser Alrik and Ser Karras, etc. Judging by the letter he doesn't know about the Seekers.

Which brings me to another point, Leliana the hand of the Divine, investigator of problems, doer of nothing. People are always bashing Hawke for never doing anything worthwhile, not being proactive and so on, yet Leliana for some reason gets a free pass on the inactivity and ineptitude. She gets sent to Kirkwall to investigate and all she does is kill two mages in a cutscene (something we would have had no problem doing ourselves) and has a short conversation with Hawke. Even the drunks in the Hanged Man know more about the problems with Meredith than Leliana. So the options seem to be that either Leliana is incompetent or just as corrupt as the rest of the Chantry. This is what the Seekers are supposed to do according to the codex entry above, investigate abuses in the Circle, and she turns a complete blind eye to everything that's going on.

It seems like the Seekers wouldn't have even bothered turning up in Kirkwall, three years late, if Hawke hadn't picked a side and eliminated Meredith and Orsino. I'm not saying Leliana should do anything much, she is just a cameo, but she could have done something more than she did. She could have at least said to Hawke that her investigation had uncovered widespread problems with the Circle and the Templars and she would bring it to the Divine. At least that would leave me with the impression that by the time it takes Leliana to get back to the Divine things come to a head and Hawke has to go on without her intervention.

Well, this is going off-topic into just ranting about things. Here's a bit of speculation based on this, the reason the Seekers do nothing and seem terrible at their job is they wanted all of this to happen. They saw the widespread problems and corruption of the Chantry and decided if the mages and Templars broke away the Seekers could use it as an excuse to clean house completely, wipe out anyone who was part of the problem and rebuild the Chantry, Templar Order and Circles from the ground up with reforms and better structure.

With BOTH mages and templars leaving the chantry. The chantry basically looses 2 out of 3 parts of their army (if we assume that the chantry has mages, templars and seekers and no more secret organisations we don't know about - the crows were once, but they apparently decided that it was funnier running Antiva from the shadows.)
I can't see the chantry wanting to give up their control over such important parts, even to clean the house. They have no gurantee that either will return to the fold of the chantry once free. Thus they no longer have any defense against the qunari and tevinter should either of the two decide that Seheron isn't worth the trouble and invade the main land instead.

Leliana sorely disappointed me - I thought she was a better spy than that... but apparently she isn't, and she must really hope never to run into my warden. 

[T3H Fish]

esper wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

I believe the banners in the Qunari compound in Act 3 are simply Chantry banners, the Seekers use very similar symbols to the normal Chantry ones but I'd imagine the banners would match the armour. IIRC the ones in the compound are red and gold, while Seeker banners (if they would have something so high profile) would be black and silver.

I could be remembering the banners we see there incorrectly though.

"During Act 3 in the docks, you can see fortifications in the now closed-off Qunari Compound where a symbol of (presumably) the Seekers is visible, foreshadowing their interest in the events at Kirkwall."
-Dragon Age Wiki

You could be right, and it's just a matter of similarity, but then Divine Justina V didn't seem to take any interest in Kirkwall until Act 3. From what I've read, the Seekers are suppose to be 'watching' over the Templars, to be sure they don't over-step their bounds... which of course Meredith was doing, so that would be a viable explaination for their sudden involvement.

Also forgot to note that the Seekers also are responsible for hunting down the craftier and more dangerous maleficar that the Templars can't handle. According to a DA2 Codex entry, the Seeker Order isn't all that 'secretive' within the scope of the Chantry, since it would seem Templars who have high-rankings or been in the Order for a while are at least, albiet somewhat, aware of their existence and purpose.

Except that quote from the wiki is not a codex entry or any official information, it's someone's guess, hence the word presumably. Also, putting up banners in an area we can only see at that point seems like a very weak way of foreshadowing the Seekers. Anyway, apart from Leliana's cameo the Seekers don't show up in Kirkwall until three years after the battle at the Gallows, unless like Hawke they enjoy waiting three years before doing something. They still don't do anything apart from have Cassandra interrogate Varric and then march out of Kirkwall again.

As for the Seekers not being all that secretive, they cannot have it both ways. One codex entry might describe them doing that, and being known by Templars that have been around a while, but then this codex bascially says the opposite:
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Seekers_of_Truth

Given that it's a letter to a Ser Whitmore, I'd imagine he's a ranked or knighted Templar like Ser Alrik and Ser Karras, etc. Judging by the letter he doesn't know about the Seekers.

Which brings me to another point, Leliana the hand of the Divine, investigator of problems, doer of nothing. People are always bashing Hawke for never doing anything worthwhile, not being proactive and so on, yet Leliana for some reason gets a free pass on the inactivity and ineptitude. She gets sent to Kirkwall to investigate and all she does is kill two mages in a cutscene (something we would have had no problem doing ourselves) and has a short conversation with Hawke. Even the drunks in the Hanged Man know more about the problems with Meredith than Leliana. So the options seem to be that either Leliana is incompetent or just as corrupt as the rest of the Chantry. This is what the Seekers are supposed to do according to the codex entry above, investigate abuses in the Circle, and she turns a complete blind eye to everything that's going on.

It seems like the Seekers wouldn't have even bothered turning up in Kirkwall, three years late, if Hawke hadn't picked a side and eliminated Meredith and Orsino. I'm not saying Leliana should do anything much, she is just a cameo, but she could have done something more than she did. She could have at least said to Hawke that her investigation had uncovered widespread problems with the Circle and the Templars and she would bring it to the Divine. At least that would leave me with the impression that by the time it takes Leliana to get back to the Divine things come to a head and Hawke has to go on without her intervention.

Well, this is going off-topic into just ranting about things. Here's a bit of speculation based on this, the reason the Seekers do nothing and seem terrible at their job is they wanted all of this to happen. They saw the widespread problems and corruption of the Chantry and decided if the mages and Templars broke away the Seekers could use it as an excuse to clean house completely, wipe out anyone who was part of the problem and rebuild the Chantry, Templar Order and Circles from the ground up with reforms and better structure.

With BOTH mages and templars leaving the chantry. The chantry basically looses 2 out of 3 parts of their army (if we assume that the chantry has mages, templars and seekers and no more secret organisations we don't know about - the crows were once, but they apparently decided that it was funnier running Antiva from the shadows.)
I can't see the chantry wanting to give up their control over such important parts, even to clean the house. They have no gurantee that either will return to the fold of the chantry once free. Thus they no longer have any defense against the qunari and tevinter should either of the two decide that Seheron isn't worth the trouble and invade the main land instead.

Leliana sorely disappointed me - I thought she was a better spy than that... but apparently she isn't, and she must really hope never to run into my warden. 

@BigEvil
Well, things in the Kirkwall Circle of Magi didn't get bad until Act 3, after Dumat was killed, leaving no Viscount to rule the city, unless Hawke takes the position, and Meredith takes over by martial law or something. Leliana wasn't sent to Kirkwall to investigate the Templars (as far as we know), but had come to 1. Root out a sect of plotting maleficar and 2. give a message to Sebastian that the Divine wanted Grand Cleric Elthina to return to Orlais for her safety. We don't know if the Seeker were already investigating Meredith's actions at this point, but since she spiraled out of control and basically started another war within Kirkwall, resulting in both her death and the destruction of the Circle, I would think either the Seekers weren't investigating in the first place or that the Divine was too slow to act. As to why it took the Divine so long to act, given Leliana's message alludes to the idea that the Divine was aware of what was going on in Kirkwall, I couldn't really say.

Though, with now most of the Templar Order now gone rouge and the Circles out of control, the Divine would have to fall back on the Seekers as her army. So what is left of the Chantry is not completely defenseless but from the sounds of the conversation between Cassandra and Leliana at the end of DA2, the Mage-Templar War is so dire not even the Seekers seem to have the strength to quell the fighting.

I am hoping in DA3 Leliana will play a bigger role, but I'm also hoping we'll get to actually travel Thedas. I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Tevinter Imperium involves themselves in the Mage-Templar War, it would be a perfect opportunity for them to start regaining portions of their lost empire.

[BigEvil]

That's a poor excuse though, things got bad in Act 3, at the same time as Leliana was in Kirkwall. And there were enough incidents in Act 1 and 2 that she should have learned about by then. Leliana mentions she's in Kirkwall to investigate a rebellion, and yet she doesn't uncover any of the stuff we as Hawke can find out by simply standing in the Gallows? It just seems that she went to Kirkwall with a preconceived notion that the evil mages were behind everything and made whatever she uncovered fit that regardless. Before the Faith quest we don't hear one mention of the Resolutionists in DA2, and since we come into contact with so many mages and Templars you'd think one of them would mention being connected to them, or allude to them being behind the turmoil.

Anyway, specific objectives or not the Seekers are supposed to investigate abuses in the Circles as their job, it'd be like Internal Affairs being told about something they should be investigating and saying "Oh no, can't be bothered with that, I'm playing messenger today."

The more I think about it the more it seems that Leliana played the Warden for a fool and she is completely untrustworthy.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Which incidents in act 1 and 2 exactly, besides the Qunari attacking Kirkwall (which doesn't have anyhting to do with the Templars anyway), should attract the attention of the Divine herself?

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Stuff about Sten becoming the new Arishok

I just thought I'd add, I noticed this quote in the official guide: "Sten will not survive the darkspawn incursion against Lothering unless you free him from his prison before leaving town."  Since they've retconned epilogues, I'm sure they'd have no problem with a guide, but it definitely implies they didn't have a long term plan for him originally.

ehh I don't really put much stock in the official guide, especially since we can't go back to Lothering and see what carnage the Darkspawn wrought.

Besides, the Black Emporium seemed to hint at Sten, so we now know that they did in fact decide to give Sten a bigger role.

[esper]

Can you kill Sten at Haven?

[Herr Uhl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Besides, the Black Emporium seemed to hint at Sten, so we now know that they did in fact decide to give Sten a bigger role.

A seeming does not a fact make. I think it'll be more of Sten though.

[TEWR]

esper wrote...

Can you kill Sten at Haven?

Nope. You can either tell him to stay or leave.



@Herr Uhl: sorry, poor word choice.

[T3H Fish]

BigEvil wrote...

That's a poor excuse though, things got bad in Act 3, at the same time as Leliana was in Kirkwall. And there were enough incidents in Act 1 and 2 that she should have learned about by then. Leliana mentions she's in Kirkwall to investigate a rebellion, and yet she doesn't uncover any of the stuff we as Hawke can find out by simply standing in the Gallows? It just seems that she went to Kirkwall with a preconceived notion that the evil mages were behind everything and made whatever she uncovered fit that regardless. Before the Faith quest we don't hear one mention of the Resolutionists in DA2, and since we come into contact with so many mages and Templars you'd think one of them would mention being connected to them, or allude to them being behind the turmoil.

Anyway, specific objectives or not the Seekers are supposed to investigate abuses in the Circles as their job, it'd be like Internal Affairs being told about something they should be investigating and saying "Oh no, can't be bothered with that, I'm playing messenger today."

The more I think about it the more it seems that Leliana played the Warden for a fool and she is completely untrustworthy.

I understand you're point and it is very suspcious why no action was taken in the first place to prevent the incident between the Mages and Templars... or even the situation with the Qunari. Either the Divine thought that the situations would resolve themselves without her intervention and only kept a minimal eye on things or somethings else was going on that divided her attention. But either way, it is rather inexcusible that the Divine and her Seekers did not thing to try and stop the two wars in Kirkwall. And I don't think any of mages or Templars connected to the Resolutionists would want that to be open knowledge with Meredith in power, especially as her sanity started to decline when she got a hold of the red lyrium idol. Also, the Resolutionists are a more extreme and violent version of the Libetarian fraternity, so any open associate with them probably would not have good results.

As for Leliana playing the Warden, that's a really big 'if' because you'd have to assume alot of things that just aren't clearly explained.

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ehh I don't really put much stock in the official guide, especially since we can't go back to Lothering and see what carnage the Darkspawn wrought.

Yes we do.  The opening scene of DA2.

Besides, the Black Emporium seemed to hint at Sten, so we now know that they did in fact decide to give Sten a bigger role.

He's not the only hornless Qunari.

[Herr Uhl]

The text was about someone with braids, not without horns.

[TEWR]

Yes we do. The opening scene of DA2.

No. We don't see Lothering. If you look in the distance, you can see a lot of smoke coming from far away. That's Lothering. What we are traveling on are the Blightlands, which are lands far away from the village that have been tainted by the Darkspawn.

Don't know why the devs made it brown when a soldier in Ostagar says Darkspawn turn the land black.

And I meant we don't get to go back to see if there's a giant corpse stuck in a cage or being eaten. There's no way to know whether Sten actually fell victim to the Darkspawn. Because of that, his survival is within the realm of possibility.

He's not the only hornless Qunari.

True, but he is the only hornless Qunari that we've seen, who's still alive, to have braided hair. Which is what the entry was talking about IIRC

[BigEvil]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Which incidents in act 1 and 2 exactly, besides the Qunari attacking Kirkwall (which doesn't have anyhting to do with the Templars anyway), should attract the attention of the Divine herself?

I never mentioned the Divine herself. I only mentioned Leliana. Perhaps it's wrong of me to assume that someone going to a place they've possibly never been to before to carry out an investigation into whatever is causing problems there will have done some bloody research as to what problems have been happening in the past few years. Anyway, since Leliana says that everyone is watching Kirkwall and that she was sent by the Divine, it rather heavily implies that something in recent history has sparked her interest beyond what we see in Act 3. Given that Leliana is in Kirkwall by Act 3 it's either the growing mage/templar tensions alone, or that plus other things which have been happening.

And the Qunari attacking Kirkwall has a lot to do with the Templars and the Chantry since Chantry fanatics had a hand in causing problems with the Qunari and the largest Templar force in the Free Marches was caught with their collective pants down when the hundred or so Qunari took over most of the city.

There are of course the various mage/templar related quests in Act 1 and 2 to consider. Now, either all of this information failed to get out, in which case how does the Divine know there are problems in Kirkwall, or some of it was brought to her attention.

[TEWR]

Ser Kerras says Meredith asked for the Divine's permission to Annul the Circle. Which was against Chantry law, as Elthina explicitly said no. Meredith went over Elthina's head while she was still alive to ask for permission

[T3H Fish]

I had forgotten Meredith had tried to go over Grand Cleric Elthina's head to obtain the Right of Annulment. Perhaps this is what triggered a more 'noticeable' reaction from the Divine herself and why Leliana was sent to Kirkwall during Act 3. Still, the fact that Meredith remained in power when more maleficar started showing up in Kirkwall and Templars started defecting from the Order, I would think the Divine would have removed Meredith from office and hunted out the maleficar factions that had settled themselves in the Free Marches. The whole war probably could have been prevented with a more preemptive effort after the Qunari invasion was thwarted by Hawke, before Anders had the chance to blow up the Chantry.

But then he probably would have blown up the Chantry regardless, or found some other course of action to instigate a violent conflict between the mages and Templars.

[LobselVith8]

I would imagine Anders would have reacted differently if Meredith was removed from power, especially if Ser Thrask replaced her, and if an apostate Hawke became the new Viscount of Kirkwall.

[T3H Fish]

Also, Meredith didn't really start out completely evil as she ended up in the end of DA2. She behaved pretty much like any other Knight-Commander, though she had a much deeper mistrust for mages then what I guess is 'normal' for Templars. She had actually barred one of the Templar's (forget the name) petition to Tranquilize already Harrowed mages that stepped out of line during Anders's personal quest. Maybe this is why the Divine and her Seekers weren't involved from the get go and only took a deeper interest in the situation once Meredith started to go mad and everything went downhill from there.

Also, is it just me or is Hawke, Varric, and whoever else you took to the Deep Roads completely oblivious to the fact that the red lyrium idol is grafted to Meredith's Sword in Act 3? It was pretty obvious who Bartrand was ranting about when Varric asked him what happened to the idol once you see Meredith with her new sword.

Modifié par T3H Fish, 13 août 2011 - 09:18 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I get the feeling that Anders plan at the end was specifically designed for Meredith. Blowing up the Chantry may well have achieved nothing but getting him executed had almost any other templar been Knight-Commander.

[Anyroad2]

T3H Fish wrote...

Also, is it just me or is Hawke, Varric, and whoever else you took to the Deep Roads completely oblivious to the fact that the red lyrium idol is grafted to Meredith's Sword in Act 3? It was pretty obvious who Bartrand was ranting about when Varric asked him what happened to the idol once you see Meredith with her new sword.

I accredit that to the time thats passed since theyve seen the red lyrium idol.
Act 1 and Act 3 are around what, 6 years apart? Thats a long time.

[T3H Fish]

Anyroad2 wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

Also, is it just me or is Hawke, Varric, and whoever else you took to the Deep Roads completely oblivious to the fact that the red lyrium idol is grafted to Meredith's Sword in Act 3? It was pretty obvious who Bartrand was ranting about when Varric asked him what happened to the idol once you see Meredith with her new sword.

I accredit that to the time thats passed since theyve seen the red lyrium idol.
Act 1 and Act 3 are around what, 6 years apart? Thats a long time.

Varric wouldn't seem the type to forget stuff like that, especially when it almost gets him killed. The hilt of the sword itself still bears much of the idol's original appearance, so even after six years, seeing it enough times would jog someone's memory at the least, especially after Varric finds Bartrand.

[Herr Uhl]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I would imagine Anders would have reacted differently if Meredith was removed from power, especially if Ser Thrask replaced her, and if an apostate Hawke became the new Viscount of Kirkwall.

"There can be no compromise" was pretty clear to me.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Maybe not that part of his rant, but the blowing up the Chantry. If he'd done that with Cullen or almost anyone else in charge, then it's likley most of them would not have jumped to Annulling the Circle. Since his goal was to provoke open warfare, if a a saner templar had simply had him publicly executed and not the rest of the Circle then Anders would have achieved little to nothing.