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[whykikyouwhy]

Urzon wrote...

Edit:  That 's right.  I forgot it says she was traveling through the frost backs even with the DR happening while pregnant.  Morrigan was doing an awful lot of traveling after Origins.

Edit x2 

That could have been another mage as well.  Everyone thinks it's actually Morrigan, we really don't know for sure.  It would't surprise me if it's Flemeth.  Ala another amulet with a piece of her being carried to Orlais by another mage? 

Ya, she was travelling around alot. Though, we only assume it was Morrigan since they do put that statement next to a picture of her.

The other theory is interesting as well. We don't really know how many special amulets Flemeth has floating around. I always believed that Morrigan was Flemeth, but Flemeth isn't Morrigan if that makes sense. Flemeth herself states that she doesnt like rules like you cant be in two places at once. I can see her using one of the special amulets to make a younger verison of herself to raise, and then she would possess her when the time was right.

Plus, i like to imagine Morrigan's face when she finally reads Flemeth's real Grimoire.... only to find out that she IS Flemeth.

Jango Fett and his "son," Boba?

[T3H Fish]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

@T3H

I agree. Alot of this doesn't make sense.

I do have a theory if Flemeth is Andraste, notice I said theory.

If Flemeth is Andraste then it would make sense that she sent her agents, Morrigan or Sandal even to Orlais to keep an eye on what is going on. There is alot that can happen with Orlais. We have the Empress who may or may not be getting war against Ferelden. I wasn't sure how Alistair was taking her response, but I got the impression she may or may not invade Ferelden. The Empress will most assurdly be involved with the mage/templar war with the Divine being in Orlais.

I can also see Flemeth if she is Andraste trying to topple or build up various countries to over throw the Trevinter Imperium once and for all. Ferelden would hold a special place for her if she is Andraste and this is her birth place. Morrigan and Flemeth both state they own the land in the South of Ferelden especially the Kocari Wilds area. This would make sense Flemeth being Andraste and she conquered this land during her exalted march. Wasn't this area the land her husband Matherath owned or he was Lord of being an Alamarri War Lord or all of Ferelden was once ruled by him? I'm not sure and I'd have to go back and read the codex again on this.

If Orlais is planning on invading Ferelden I can see Flemeth sending Sandal and Morrigan both to Orlais to find out what is going on and try to stop the Empress if this is her plan. We also know that Orlais did engage to get the Qunari religious book from the Imperium and I think this happened to ask for the aid of the Qunari against a war with Ferelden. Isabela stole the book from Orlais not the Qunari themselves, or do I have this wrong? Alot of motives here.

Once again this is just a theory.

A very interesting theory, though with the Mage-Templar War, the writers made it sound like then entire Chantry fell to pieces. I had thought things were worked out between the Empress and Ferelden, at least when Cailan was King... unless Alistair did something to screw that up when we weren't looking >_>

[Urzon]

A very interesting theory, though with the Mage-Templar War, the writers made it sound like then entire Chantry fell to pieces. I had thought things were worked out between the Empress and Ferelden, at least when Cailan was King... unless Alistair did something to screw that up when we weren't looking >_>

From my impression of the talk with Alistair, it seems that the nobles in Orlais saw an opening with Ferelden being weakened from the Blight, and they are pressuring the Empress to going to war. She is trying to handle the situation and keep them at bay, but there is only so much she can do before someone pulls a Petrice or Anders and starts something.

Empress LWF? (in League With Flemeth) I'm not sure, but it would be fun.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Whykikyouwhy

Ah a star wars fan! LOL.

@ T3H

I didn't get the impression that the chantry is down and out in Orlais, the Divine is there and I'd assume this is the Seekers main HQ.

@ Urzon

Yup, I got the same impression that the Empress is not planning on invading Ferelden. All of this talk about invading Ferelden could be a smoke screen and instead Orlais plans on invading Trevinter. Especially with all of the strange mages running around Kirkwall that I got the impression weren't always from Starkhaven or apostate mages from Kirkwall itself.

The bloodmage battle in Act 3 during Sebastian's Quest with Leliana in tow might lend some accuracy here.

Maybe Flemeth will promise the land of Trevinter to Orlais. Personally I see Ferelden stepping in here to stop this or the other countries of Nevarra and Antiva.

Oh what a tangled web! 

Oh my, I really had a run on sentence up above and no way to edit.  Somebody quoted me! 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 20 août 2011 - 12:47 .

[T3H Fish]

Well I didn't mean the Chantry was completely destroyed, it's just that it's influence outside of Orlais was basically ruined within a few short years, with Templars rebelling and deserting their orders and the Circles no longer existing. I'm sure the Chantry is strong within Orlais, but they still suffered losses with the other branches spread around Thedas

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ T3H

Outside of Orlais...yup, I agree.

[Mike3207]

I really can't see what interest the Qunari would have in Ferelden. What motive would the Qunari have to invade Ferelden?

[Herr Uhl]

Mike Smith wrote...

I really can't see what interest the Qunari would have in Ferelden. What motive would the Qunari have to invade Ferelden?

Enlightening them?

[T3H Fish]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

I really can't see what interest the Qunari would have in Ferelden. What motive would the Qunari have to invade Ferelden?

Enlightening them?

Agreed. Sten does make mention that the Qunari may have some plans regarding spreading the Qun to the rest of Thedas, though their conflicts with the  Magister's at Seheron seem to be keeping them occupied for the most part.

Then again, have no idea how large their army is so...

[dragonflight288]

And whenever the Qunari invade, it takes all of Thedas working together, usually through decades to centuries of war to push them back.

[Herr Uhl]

dragonflight288 wrote...

And whenever the Qunari invade, it takes all of Thedas working together, usually through decades to centuries of war to push them back.

One time is hardly a pattern. But I have a hard time seeing any single nation holding them back spar Orlais and Tevinter.

[T3H Fish]

The Qunari are a force to be reckoned with, if Kirkwall was any hint to the threat an entire nation of them. It seems Tevinter alone has kept them from spreading, considering they're still fighting over Seheron. Thedas working together.... oh the day that happen is the day it rains cheese for the rest of Alistair's life.

[T3H Fish]

I had a sudden thought and wonder why this is often over-looked from Origins. Whatever happens to the demon from the Harrowing in the intro to the Mage Origin story? I'm fairly certain it was a Pride Demon, though it does not out-right possess the Warden Mage, but makes no reappearances nor is it referenced at all, despite showing a rather clear interest in using her/him. Will this demon reappear in DA3... or is maybe responsible for the Hero's disappearance (of course, that theory only works if a) Hero is a Mage and Hero survives the Battle of Denerim, DR or not)

[whykikyouwhy]

T3H Fish wrote...

I had a sudden thought and wonder why this is often over-looked from Origins. Whatever happens to the demon from the Harrowing in the intro to the Mage Origin story? I'm fairly certain it was a Pride Demon, though it does not out-right possess the Warden Mage, but makes no reappearances nor is it referenced at all, despite showing a rather clear interest in using her/him. Will this demon reappear in DA3... or is maybe responsible for the Hero's disappearance (of course, that theory only works if a) Hero is a Mage and Hero survives the Battle of Denerim, DR or not)

I didn't play the mage origin (was a city elf warrior) but I just watched a few videos. So it looks like you fight a rage demon and then your Fade companion turns into what seems to be a Pride Demon...did I get that right?

I don't know that the demon would be responsible for the Warden's eventual disappearance - I suspect other entities will be involved in that (or they will have prompted the Warden's own decision to lay low). But to have that demon reappear and demand some sort of confrontation would be interesting. Assuming of course, that we haven't encountered (and destroyed) him before. Since there are no common triggers between DA:O and DA2 with regard to that demon, he very well could have been in the Fade during Night Terrors, or maybe wound up being Audacity. Perhaps he was just itching at the chance to take some hero down.

[Urzon]

T3H Fish wrote...

I had a sudden thought and wonder why this is often over-looked from Origins. Whatever happens to the demon from the Harrowing in the intro to the Mage Origin story? I'm fairly certain it was a Pride Demon, though it does not out-right possess the Warden Mage, but makes no reappearances nor is it referenced at all, despite showing a rather clear interest in using her/him. Will this demon reappear in DA3... or is maybe responsible for the Hero's disappearance (of course, that theory only works if a) Hero is a Mage and Hero survives the Battle of Denerim, DR or not)

I only assumed it was the same pride demon that possessed/worked with Uldred. Since, we see the sloth demon from the fade to be working with him as well.

Modifié par Urzon, 20 août 2011 - 10:43 .

[T3H Fish]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

I had a sudden thought and wonder why this is often over-looked from Origins. Whatever happens to the demon from the Harrowing in the intro to the Mage Origin story? I'm fairly certain it was a Pride Demon, though it does not out-right possess the Warden Mage, but makes no reappearances nor is it referenced at all, despite showing a rather clear interest in using her/him. Will this demon reappear in DA3... or is maybe responsible for the Hero's disappearance (of course, that theory only works if a) Hero is a Mage and Hero survives the Battle of Denerim, DR or not)

I didn't play the mage origin (was a city elf warrior) but I just watched a few videos. So it looks like you fight a rage demon and then your Fade companion turns into what seems to be a Pride Demon...did I get that right?

I don't know that the demon would be responsible for the Warden's eventual disappearance - I suspect other entities will be involved in that (or they will have prompted the Warden's own decision to lay low). But to have that demon reappear and demand some sort of confrontation would be interesting. Assuming of course, that we haven't encountered (and destroyed) him before. Since there are no common triggers between DA:O and DA2 with regard to that demon, he very well could have been in the Fade during Night Terrors, or maybe wound up being Audacity. Perhaps he was just itching at the chance to take some hero down.

It's just one of those plot-lines that kinda just disappeared. When I first played through, I was half-expecting that demon to show up at any given moment but then when I saw no sign of it, I was kind of disappointed because it would have been an interesting story arc to the Mage Origin.

[devSin]

Why can't it just be a random demon (and I'm pretty sure it is). You kill the rage demon. You never see the sloth demon again. You never see Valor again.

There be lots of demons in the Fade. If anything, Mouse was defective for a pride demon. He doesn't really try anything, other than being helpful to you and telling you to, like, resist demons and stuff. A clear case of gameplay trumping storytelling.

[whykikyouwhy]

devSin wrote...

Why can't it just be a random demon (and I'm pretty sure it is). You kill the rage demon. You never see the sloth demon again. You never see Valor again.

There be lots of demons in the Fade. If anything, Mouse was defective for a pride demon. He doesn't really try anything, other than being helpful to you and telling you to, like, resist demons and stuff. A clear case of gameplay trumping storytelling.

Random demons are fine. Random anything is fine. But it seems that things in the DA-verse aren't always so random. I found myself waiting for certain things to make a return in DA2. Might be RPG-player panic though - the constant second guessing. "Should I have waggled my staff at that statue? Nothing happened right? I'm sure it's fine..." *walks away, looking over the shoulder*  That sort of thing.

[T3H Fish]

devSin wrote...

Why can't it just be a random demon (and I'm pretty sure it is). You kill the rage demon. You never see the sloth demon again. You never see Valor again.

There be lots of demons in the Fade. If anything, Mouse was defective for a pride demon. He doesn't really try anything, other than being helpful to you and telling you to, like, resist demons and stuff. A clear case of gameplay trumping storytelling.

Some demons have proven they can be extremely cunning and capable of making very long-term plans. Like with Connor, the Desire-Demon didn't out-right possess him at first, even though she was quite capable of doing so. The demon from the Harrowing, which I'm still certain it was Pride, only wanted to test the mage, see if they'd be worth possessing in the first place. Pride Demons seem to be drawn to extremely powerful and talented mages, like with Uldred, the Baroness, Marethari, and the one drawn to Feynriel, so I assume that Pride Demons, being the most powerful, are very picky about who they want to possess.

They pick a target, wait for the right moment and either convince them to make a deal or forcefully take possession of them.

[T3H Fish]

Thought I would share this, just to summarize the dicussion regarding Leliana

 

[whykikyouwhy]

T3H Fish wrote...

Thought I would share this, just to summarize the dicussion regarding Leliana

*snip - Leliana motivational*

 

And her perpetual appearance is very much akin to Flemeth's.

Interesting, that.

[TEWR]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

@ T3J Fish

Darkspawn are created two ways:

1. Broodmothers
2. Grey Wardens turn into darkspawn when they go on their calling in the deep roads.

In the book "The Calling" Bergen who was a high ranking Warden (also knew the location of the remaining arch demons), and his sister who is on the hunt of her brother both turn into darkspawn in the book.   Bergen was a Commander of Grey Wardens of Orlais, or a First Warden which I can't remember right now.

Most wardens know they are going to their calling in the deep roads and the majority don't know they will turn into darkspawn. Which is what is happening to Larius in the new dlc. In Legacy, the other darkspawn run right by him and don't attack him. The same happened in the book with Bergen.   The entire Grey Warden order doesn't know they will turn into darkspawn.

The Architect is the one who told Bergen what was happening to him and that he was turning into a darkspawn. I think the Architect is a magister who has awaken and is one of the original that was tainted in the Golden City. One of the first to be tainted.

With Larius I got the impression he was cured of his calling when Corypheus is killed if you side with him.

I also think the chantry has figured out that the wardens turn into darkspawn. I think this was Wesley's mission and his job was to observe the battle of Ostagar. I also think the reason that Aveline calls darkspawn flames is due to wardens not yet being fully turned.

These are a few of my speculations.

I feel I should bring this topic back up again. Wardens don't turn into Darkspawn. They turn into ghouls. David Gaider said so:

David Gaider wrote…

No, they don't turn into darkspawn. A ghoul is any living creature that has been afflicted with the darkspawn corruption and survived the process-- and there are different stages from your typical (the standard "ghoul" you encounter, or creatures such as the blight wolf or the bereskarn) to the very advanced (the broodmother, a being who has had their corruption artificially accelerated). A darkspawn is a creature that is born from a ghoul, but that's the only way they're created.

[Rifneno]

Wait, if that's true... how can the Black City origin story be true? A ghoul would have had to create a broodmother itself. If that's even possible, then how hard would both the Tevinter Imperium and the dwarven empire have to fail to have failed to eradicate the darkspawn threat when it was young and vulnerable? Something stinks here, and it's not just Oghren.

[TEWR]

I imagine the Black City is the core of the Darkspawn taint, and can change any man into an Awakened Darkspawn immediately.

Personally I doubt there were any female Magisters.

More evidence that the Primeval Thaig Dwarves were the cause of the mindless Darkspawn!

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I imagine the Black City is the core of the Darkspawn taint, and can change any man into an Awakened Darkspawn immediately.

Personally I doubt there were any female Magisters.

More evidence that the Primeval Thaig Arlathan Dwarves elves were the cause of the mindless Darkspawn!

Fixed.