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[Rinji the Bearded]

^^^^ Yeah, I'd be worried about some other vapid twit running your name in the mud, she's doing a pretty good job.  Most popular baby name in the last few years IIRC.

I could only be so lucky to be named after DA2 Izzy. *SNIFFLE*

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 août 2011 - 01:04 .

[Elhanan]

TheRealJayDee wrote...
You must really dislike the incredibly immature Isabela design then...

I know I did; never took the LI path, and rarely brought her along as a Companion. Beauty is more than the outward appearance.

But this is supposed to be about the language, which is a major reason I avoided Isabelle.

[ipgd]

ZabiGG wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I long for the day where a woman demonstrating sexual agency does not inspire this kind of ridiculous and judgmental fear and derision. Sex is not evil, people, and insulting women who dare to enjoy having it is ignorant and infuriating.

Seriously, IPGD, I never attacked you personally, while you kept being intent on misreading me. For someone who should definitely have an open mind, you do quite the job. When I said I gave up on you, I did. Please stop intruding.

... Wait, what? You're calling Isabela a **** and accusing me of being closed minded?

I'm really not seeing how anyone could possibly misread what you said. Please, educate me -- how exactly is calling Isabela a **** not supposed to be slut shaming? What salient and non-offensive meaning did you have back there that managed to elude me?

If you don't want people to respond to you on a public forum, I suggest not posting on a public forum. I doubly suggest not posting things that are offensive and misogynistic if you don't want people to react like you just said something offensive and misogynistic.

[ipgd]

Elhanan wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...
You must really dislike the incredibly immature Isabela design then...

I know I did; never took the LI path, and rarely brought her along as a Companion. Beauty is more than the outward appearance.

But this is supposed to be about the language, which is a major reason I avoided Isabelle.

Don't you think it's a bit ironic to say that and then discount Isabela's "internal beauty" specifically because of her outward appearance?

If you actually spoke to her it would be pretty clear that she is very far from a one note stereotypical fanservice character.

[Gibb_Shepard]

ipgd wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...
You must really dislike the incredibly immature Isabela design then...

I know I did; never took the LI path, and rarely brought her along as a Companion. Beauty is more than the outward appearance.

But this is supposed to be about the language, which is a major reason I avoided Isabelle.

Don't you think it's a bit ironic to say that and then discount Isabela's "internal beauty" specifically because of her outward appearance?

If you actually spoke to her it would be pretty clear that she is very far from a one note stereotypical fanservice character.

Ha, you're saying the whole "I'm-a-sex-fiend-but-only-because-of-my-troubled-past" is not stereotypical?

[ZabiGG]

ipgd wrote...

I'm really not seeing how anyone could possibly misread what you said. Please, educate me -- how exactly is calling Isabela a **** not supposed to be slut shaming? What salient and non-offensive meaning did you have back there that managed to elude me?

If you don't want people to respond to you on a public forum, I suggest not posting on a public forum. I doubly suggest not posting things that are  offensive and misogynistic if you don't want people to react like you just said something offensive and misogynistic.

And, AGAIN, you misread and warp whatever I say. Gee. Thanks. Did I say I felt shame, embarrassment? No. I Just hated the stereotype lent to me since teenhood, purely due to my -- very common and unimaginative -- name.

I never called Izzy anything. I gave those qualificatives to myself, because I am. Period. And, for your knowledge, Isabela derivatives were quite in vogue for those years, albeit not for Americans. But look it up, you MIGHT get a bit more educated and open-minded. There was a class I had where we made 1/4 of the (30+ student) group all by ourselves.

[ipgd]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Ha, you're saying the whole "I'm-a-sex-fiend-but-only-because-of-my-troubled-past" is not stereotypical?

Isabela isn't a sex fiend because of her troubled past? Isabela... isn't even a "sex fiend". Isabela likes sex because she likes sex, full stop.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ZabiGG wrote...

And, AGAIN, you misread and warp whatever I say. Gee. Thanks. Did I say I felt shame, embarrassment? No. I Just hated the stereotype lent to me since teenhood, purely due to my -- very common and unimaginative -- name.

... What are you arguing, or even talking about at this point?   You act like the name Isabela has been the name of ****s for decades or something.

[ZabiGG]

RinjiRenee wrote...

ZabiGG wrote...

And, AGAIN, you misread and warp whatever I say. Gee. Thanks. Did I say I felt shame, embarrassment? No. I Just hated the stereotype lent to me since teenhood, purely due to my -- very common and unimaginative -- name.

... What are you arguing, or even talking about at this point?   You act like the name Isabela has been the name of ****s for decades or something.

It has in other cultures. Sorry you missed that.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ZabiGG wrote...
It has in other cultures. Sorry you missed that.

Which culture are you talking about here? 

And how does this relate to Isabela in Dragon Age 2? 

[leggywillow]

ZabiGG wrote...
I never called Izzy anything. I gave those qualificatives to myself, because I am. Period. And, for your knowledge, Isabela derivatives were quite in vogue for those years, albeit not for Americans. But look it up, you MIGHT get a bit more educated and open-minded. There was a class I had where we made 1/4 of the (30+ student) group all by ourselves.

In your area, wherever that may be, it may have been a trend, but I checked census data and graphs for the United States, Chile, parts of Australia and Canada, Denmark, England and Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Scotland, and Sweden.  Until very, very recently (usually after the year 2000), that name was very obscure in all those areas.  That hardly covers the entire world, but I just to debunk the idea that we're only talking about the United States.

If a single community is all you're looking at, then yeah, you will see the same names trending.  I had 4 other girls with my same first name in my elementary through high school classes, but that doesn't mean it was one of the top names even within my country at the time.

Basically, to the world at large, there isn't any negative connotation with the name "Isabella" or any variations thereof, so I don't think you need to worry about a videogame character besmirching it for you.  I'm sure it has greater connotations with, oh say, Isabella of Castile.

[Gibb_Shepard]

ipgd wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Ha, you're saying the whole "I'm-a-sex-fiend-but-only-because-of-my-troubled-past" is not stereotypical?

Isabela isn't a sex fiend because of her troubled past? Isabela... isn't even a "sex fiend". Isabela likes sex because she likes sex, full stop.

Not true, the reason she can't stay tied down to one man or woman is because of her past. She wouldn't have nearly as many lovers if it wasn't for events that transpired in the past

[Rinji the Bearded]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Not true, the reason she can't stay tied down to one man or woman is because of her past. She wouldn't have nearly as many lovers if it wasn't for events that transpired in the past

Her commitment issues and her sexuality are two different things.  You can also enjoy sex as much as she does and have no problems with commitment (if you're lucky ).

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 août 2011 - 01:44 .

[MelRedux]

If anything give "Isabella" a bad name, it's Twilight.

[Dhiro]

ZabiGG wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

ZabiGG wrote...

And, AGAIN, you misread and warp whatever I say. Gee. Thanks. Did I say I felt shame, embarrassment? No. I Just hated the stereotype lent to me since teenhood, purely due to my -- very common and unimaginative -- name.

... What are you arguing, or even talking about at this point?   You act like the name Isabela has been the name of ****s for decades or something.

It has in other cultures. Sorry you missed that.

It's all Twilight's fault.

EDIT: My fabulous joke, ruined because of a ninja

Modifié par Dhiro, 13 août 2011 - 01:46 .

[ZabiGG]

^^ Look for Isabelle and Filles d'Isabelle and then get back to me.

It's a bit like considering Stephen Fry as an eminence in Human thinking and rationalization. Either you can think for yourself or you accept vulgarity, judgment calls, bias and bigotry as fact. If you accept those, good for you. I expect better from the human race.

[ipgd]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Not true, the reason she can't stay tied down to one man or woman is because of her past. She wouldn't have nearly as many lovers if it wasn't for events that transpired in the past

Isabela has problems with emotional intimacy/vulnerability because of her past, but that has... nothing to do with sex and even less to do with monogamy or promiscuity.

[ipgd]

ZabiGG wrote...

^^ Look for Isabelle and Filles d'Isabelle and then get back to me.

It's a bit like considering Stephen Fry as an eminence in Human thinking and rationalization. Either you can think for yourself or you accept vulgarity, judgment calls, bias and bigotry as fact. If you accept those, good for you. I expect better from the human race.

... What?

Each of your posts reach successively higher levels of unintelligibility. I'm trying to figure out where the connection between Stephen Fry and "vulgarity, judgment calls, bias and bigotry" is.

[leggywillow]

ZabiGG wrote...

^^ Look for Isabelle and Filles d'Isabelle and then get back to me.

A Catholic women's organization?    Seriously, that is all that's coming up.

Do you hate Catholics or something?

LOOK AT THESE SLATTERNS:

Modifié par leggywillow, 13 août 2011 - 01:56 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

ipgd wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Not true, the reason she can't stay tied down to one man or woman is because of her past. She wouldn't have nearly as many lovers if it wasn't for events that transpired in the past

Isabela has problems with emotional intimacy/vulnerability because of her past, but that has... nothing to do with sex and even less to do with monogamy or promiscuity.

Not my problem if you can't see the fairly obvious connection between all the factors you just mentioned. Carry on.

[ipgd]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Not my problem if you can't see the fairly obvious connection between all the factors you just mentioned. Carry on.

Believe it or not, you can enjoy sex without having intimacy issues and you can also have emotionally intimate relationships without being monogamous.

[Realmzmaster]

Cursing used for impact has a purpose. Cursing for the sake of cursing tells me (in my opinion) that the writer does not know how to write.

In DA2 Varric is suppose to be a master storyteller so I would expect him to use cursing to emphasis a point. He may even have a character in his story that makes extensive use of cursing, but the story would lose point and meaning if all the characters curse all the time.
Cassandra uses cursing sparingly. When she does it emphasis the point. She does not curse through the entire interrogation. It would be counterproductive and become very comical.

The people in my neighborhood curse all the time, but it is due to an inability to express themselves adequately in the English language. I have a friend who curses all the time and he knows better. I challenged him to go a whole two hours in my presence without cursing. I bet him a steak dinner. Easiest bet I ever won in 10 minutes. That's how ingrained cursing was to him.

I rarely curse, so when I do people know I am upset and somebody has crossed the line. If my friend above is upset no one would notice. Even when upset his frequency of cursing remains the same.

Cursing and sex do not bother me in CRPGS unless it gets to the point that it overshadows the story. Cursing and sex, even violence that overshadow the story become immersion breaking.

The game is suppose to be fun. If the level of cursing get to the level in my neighborhood, I can stop playing the game and simply walk down the street.

Combat is a hallmark of CRPGs, Still one of my favorite CRPGs is PST. Very little combat if you do not wish to indulge in it. Unfortunately not a commercial success. Critically acclaimed, yes.

[ZabiGG]

leggywillow wrote...

ZabiGG wrote...

^^ Look for Isabelle and Filles d'Isabelle and then get back to me.

A Catholic women's organization?    Seriously, that is all that's coming up.

Do you hate Catholics or something?

Argh... history lesson. Filles d'Isabelle were prostitutes sent from France to the New-World (Nouvelle-France), for colonization purposes.  So yeah. They were one of these things I can't mention.

[leggywillow]

ZabiGG wrote...
Argh... history lesson. Filles d'Isabelle were prostitutes sent from France to the New-World (Nouvelle-France), for colonization purposes.  So yeah. They were one of these things I can't mention.

The fact that the name was later used in an active religious group's title, which is vastly more well-known than the incident you mentioned, shows that these prostitutes didn't do any lasting damage to the name.  So I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.

EDIT:  Also, I am not sure your history lesson was correct?  Apparently these girls were called filles du roi, or the King's Daughters.  Nothing about any Isabella, at least not that I've been able to find.

Modifié par leggywillow, 13 août 2011 - 02:10 .

[ipgd]

Realmzmaster wrote...

If my friend above is upset no one would notice. Even when upset his frequency of cursing remains the same.

It might just be me, but I'm pretty sure "frequency of profanity use" is not the sole indicator of emotion. If your friend has a face or vocal cords I think people would be able to figure out that he is upset.

Using profanity has absolutely nothing to do with your vocabulary or lack thereof, goyz. Can we not repeat these meaningless, insulting stock cliches over and over and over again?