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[Dionkey]

United_Strafes wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

Ya? Let me know how? Since you can run Origin without a required update and prevent it from taking up hard drive space, enlighten me please, I want to use your method to open up a whole bunch of space.

I think Origin is garbage but those are all terrible points. You don't want it to start up when you launch windows? Get CCleaner. The space Origin takes up is laughable at best. 

You want some real reasons why Origin is garbage? How about that fact that they sell your information and can revoke access to games you paid for?

Or I can just check the box so it won't start with Windows, but ya I know Origins is garbage which is why I was planning on buying retail, but that will be pointless if I'm just gonna have to have Origins running to play it anyway.

The best you can do is boycott it. They aren't going to change unless you have 10,000+ against it.

[United_Strafes]

Dionkey wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

Ya? Let me know how? Since you can run Origin without a required update and prevent it from taking up hard drive space, enlighten me please, I want to use your method to open up a whole bunch of space.

I think Origin is garbage but those are all terrible points. You don't want it to start up when you launch windows? Get CCleaner. The space Origin takes up is laughable at best. 

You want some real reasons why Origin is garbage? How about that fact that they sell your information and can revoke access to games you paid for?

Or I can just check the box so it won't start with Windows, but ya I know Origins is garbage which is why I was planning on buying retail, but that will be pointless if I'm just gonna have to have Origins running to play it anyway.

The best you can do is boycott it. They aren't going to change unless you have 10,000+ against it.

Well I'm not gonna do that for ME3 or BF3 I have 1 game through Origin and the BF3 alpha, my point really is it seems kinda a ****ty way to cram Origin down people throats.

[Chala]

This is the reason of why I don't support origins:

5. Content and Entitlement Availability
(...) If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24)
months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your
Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. 
Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not
returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for
cash, or other goods or services. 

(Click me to read the full TOS)

I cannot support a system that not only forces me to use my own stuff but also threatens me with taking away a game that is MINE

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 12 août 2011 - 05:59 .

[United_Strafes]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

This is the reason of why I don't support origins:

5. Content and Entitlement Availability
(...) If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24)
months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your
Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. 
Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not
returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for
cash, or other goods or services. 

(Click me to read the full TOS)

I cannot support a system that not only forces me to use my own stuff but also threatens me with taking away a game that is MINE

Right, but If I go buy a retail ME3 copy that needs Origin, it's not like they can stop me from using it even after 24 months, but I still must have the client regardless, they're not forcing people to buy it on Origin but they may be forcing people to have the client to run.

Either way the the one part of the ToS that you pointed out is peticularly ****ty in any case, there's a couple other bad ones but that's the worst.

Modifié par United_Strafes, 12 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[ahall88]

Meh. Mass Effect is an offline game, cracks will be made to get around anything that would be a hindrance and rightfully so in a case like this.

[marshalleck]

ahall88 wrote...

Meh. Mass Effect is an offline game, cracks will be made to get around anything that would be a hindrance and rightfully so in a case like this.

True but it's still lame to require a digital platform to run even if the copy of the game you purchased is a retail hard copy on DVD.

We can chalk that up to publishers and developers being idiots, and thinking the best thing to do is punish their customers with DRM while pirates simply ignore it (and thus force their customers to "pirate" the software they paid for)

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[javierabegazo]

Guys, cool it now with the bickering and not-so-nice language. If you have an issue with another user, keep the matter to PM and stay on topic.

[Dariuszp]

You are misunderstanding something. Origin is poor made DOWNLOAD MANAGER. You can check it yourself.
Just download and install games from Origins. Close it and run the game. It work fine. I even had copy of installed ME 2. Guess what. After I reinstall Windows i just run the game without even installing Origin.

So BF 3 will probably NOT require Origin. Or they have some updates in plan. And if it DO require Origin then I will think about canceling pre-order. And I ordered 2 games.

Probably EA will just install their junk with the game. But it's not like you cannot remove it.

Modifié par Dariuszp, 12 août 2011 - 06:43 .

[Massadonious1]

Then you probably better cancel it. The first 4 words of the title of the OP was not speculation.

http://bf3blog.com/2...-battlefield-3/

[United_Strafes]

Battlefield 3 will require Origin to play.

[Bogsnot1]

http://www.escapistm...-Require-Origin

edit: ninja'd

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 12 août 2011 - 07:04 .

[towerstone]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...
Well, good thing they are making faster computers then!

Thats the exact type of thinking that lead to all new version of Windows being more bloated than the previous version.
Faster hardware should not have to make up for poor quality coding.

why not? it's cheaper to get a faster chip than to have programmers sit for another couple of months to sanitize code that would eventually do the same thing. maybe you have to spend a couple of more bucks on the hardware, but in the long run you will save that money. of course, when the programming is so sloppy that stuff starts to break it's a whole different story. and to be honest, i already have origin installed, and i don't experience any performance issues on my modest machine

[Dariuszp]

Thx. Pre-order canceled. I will not support something like this. There is no real advantage in using Origin and I don't need another 3-rd party software to run game that I bought.

[KingDan97]

United_Strafes wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

What would be the problem? Some games require Steam and I never saw something wrong with it.

Ya but it more has to do with "OK you now have Origin installed players you might as well buy some **** from us too...."

I mean where does it end? An Activision service, a THQ service, god forbid a Ubisoft service? I mean like it or not these thing also take up space, and have a tendancy to update a lot and just grow and grow inside my computer, I have Steam, I don't need a bunch of things like Origin updating, taking up space, putting icons everywhere, starting up when I start my computer etc...... 

Soon everyone will be just as entitled as EA and not want to pay royalties to a store... Oh wait, that's entirely valid and could easily end up pushing DOWN prices of games. Yeah, that's what I thought.

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

This is the reason of why I don't support origins:

5. Content and Entitlement Availability
(...) If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) 
months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your 
Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. 
Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not 
returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for 
cash, or other goods or services.  

(Click me to read the full TOS)

I cannot support a system that not only forces me to use my own stuff but also threatens me with taking away a game that is MINE

Hey, look what a quick look at the Steam Subscriber Agreement brings:

"Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software."

Well lookie there, a constantly touted "removal of rights" also exists within Steam. This is a defensive clause and holds no real barring on actual activity. I haven't played Spore since 2008, about a month or two after it came out I uninstalled it and haven't touched it since. Guess what? It's still there because they wouldn't actually hold users to those policies, it's a clause their lawyers made up, it doesn't mean software goes dim automatically after 24 months, and they aren't going to fight with consumers about software licences on an individual basis.

Steam holds that it gives you no real rights to your software, it can remove it at any time and because of the way that Steam works, if you just happen to log in online after your account gets banned, all of your software is permenantly bricked.

I don't have to be a fan of EA to know that Valve is a business just the same and that you can bet they're going to protect their interests.

Modifié par KingDan97, 12 août 2011 - 08:02 .

[Dariuszp]

KingDan97 wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

What would be the problem? Some games require Steam and I never saw something wrong with it.

Ya but it more has to do with "OK you now have Origin installed players you might as well buy some **** from us too...."

I mean where does it end? An Activision service, a THQ service, god forbid a Ubisoft service? I mean like it or not these thing also take up space, and have a tendancy to update a lot and just grow and grow inside my computer, I have Steam, I don't need a bunch of things like Origin updating, taking up space, putting icons everywhere, starting up when I start my computer etc...... 

Soon everyone will be just as entitled as EA and not want to pay royalties to a store... Oh wait, that's entirely valid and could easily end up pushing DOWN prices of games. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Problem is that in Origin games are 120% - 150% of retail version. Where they don't need to distribute it (transport), store it (warehouses) and sell it (shop additional fee). Steam don't have problem with that. And they have loooooooooooooooooooot of promotions where you can get a game for 25% - 75% or retail price.

So what you are saying is not 100% true.

[United_Strafes]

Ya that's what's gonna happen! EA will start LOWERING the prices of thier games! How could we have been so blind!

Thanks for squaring us away! LMAO.

I guess you'd be OK with going to gamestop and leaving with your new game and the clerk say "oh wait before you leave, here is our new Gamestop client you must install it and run while your playing your new game"

I don't think you get it dude......

[Massadonious1]

Dariuszp wrote...
Problem is that in Origin games are 120% - 150% of retail version. Where they don't need to distribute it (transport), store it (warehouses) and sell it (shop additional fee). Steam don't have problem with that. And they have loooooooooooooooooooot of promotions where you can get a game for 25% - 75% or retail price.
So what you are saying is not 100% true.

Sims 3 on Steam: $39.99

http://store.steampo....com/app/47890/

Sims 3 on Origin: $39.99, currently at a promo price of $34.99

http://store.origin....uctID=105153500

Perhaps a bit of research would of been in order.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 12 août 2011 - 08:00 .

[Cornughon]

Origin REQUIRED for BF3 will it happen to ME3?

The chance is small Origin will be REQUIRED for ME3. It's not an online shooter like Battlefield. It will probably only be required to download/update it if you buy a digital copy through it. It won't be like Steam which is forced to run to play games that require it (besides Orange box).

By the way, there was something about Old Republic doesn't requiring Origin as well, except for the digital version (just for downloading).

[United_Strafes]

Cornughon wrote...

Origin REQUIRED for BF3 will it happen to ME3?

The chance is small Origin will be REQUIRED for ME3. It's not an online shooter like Battlefield. It will probably only be required to download/update it if you buy a digital copy through it. It won't be like Steam which is forced to run to play games that require it (besides Orange box).

By the way, there was something about Old Republic doesn't requiring Origin as well, except for the digital version (just for downloading).

OK and I need Origin to play  BF3 the online shooter I bought at Target........why?

[Dave of Canada]

I see no problem with this, just like how Valve essentially forces us to use Steam for their games. Might be a tad tedious switching services for a handful of games, though nothing I'll flip a table over.

[United_Strafes]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...
Problem is that in Origin games are 120% - 150% of retail version. Where they don't need to distribute it (transport), store it (warehouses) and sell it (shop additional fee). Steam don't have problem with that. And they have loooooooooooooooooooot of promotions where you can get a game for 25% - 75% or retail price.
So what you are saying is not 100% true.

Sims 3 on Steam: $39.99

http://store.steampo....com/app/47890/

Sims 3 on Origin: $39.99, currently at a promo price of $34.99

http://store.origin....uctID=105153500

Perhaps a bit of research would of been in order.

OK Valve doesn't make The Sims 3....EA does. Besides he's referring more to why are they just as expensive through the parent companies own online distribution site than it more than often is on other sites like D2D or Steam, and if your trying to argue which has the better value Origin or Steam get ready to get laughed off the page.

[Massadonious1]

United_Strafes wrote...
more to why are they just as expensive through the parent companies own online distribution site than it more than often is on other sites like D2D or Steam

Execpt I just proved this wasn't the case.

and if your trying to argue which has the better value Origin or Steam get ready to get laughed off the page.

Being on Steam doesn't automatically make it a better value.

[KingDan97]

Dariuszp wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

What would be the problem? Some games require Steam and I never saw something wrong with it.

Ya but it more has to do with "OK you now have Origin installed players you might as well buy some **** from us too...."

I mean where does it end? An Activision service, a THQ service, god forbid a Ubisoft service? I mean like it or not these thing also take up space, and have a tendancy to update a lot and just grow and grow inside my computer, I have Steam, I don't need a bunch of things like Origin updating, taking up space, putting icons everywhere, starting up when I start my computer etc...... 

Soon everyone will be just as entitled as EA and not want to pay royalties to a store... Oh wait, that's entirely valid and could easily end up pushing DOWN prices of games. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Problem is that in Origin games are 120% - 150% of retail version. Where they don't need to distribute it (transport), store it (warehouses) and sell it (shop additional fee). Steam don't have problem with that. And they have loooooooooooooooooooot of promotions where you can get a game for 25% - 75% or retail price.

So what you are saying is not 100% true.

Just because Steam has sales(which EA has already in the short time since relaunching Origin shown they are more than willing to give as well) doesn't mean that it should be the only platform. Valve pays royalties on the games it sells on Steam to no one. That was the motivation in creating Steam, and now it's expanded beyond that. What is wrong with giving another company a chance at the same? Origin already works better than Steam did for the first 2 years of it's life.

As for digital prices being at retail, that is the fault of consumers not taking a stand, not any company for either:
A) Taking a loss in profits as other retailers demand an equivalent MSRP, essentially nullifying any and all benefits of taking the retail cut out at your own store.
or
B)Tell them to stuff it and start actually restricting where you can pick up games.


As for regulation of prices, digital distribution is still a fledgling market, and it's going to take time to set up an easy system to set up market standards for when prices drop. That doesn't mean the market can't exist until that system gets set up because it's going to take a perid of active fluctuation to get it right.

I also don't get what EA's motivation in creating Origin even matters. So what if they figure that if you buy one game from them you'd be more likely to come back, if you're a smart digital shopper you'll just check Steam to see if there's a better price, or waiting till a sale comes up. Does it matter what the "average" PC gamer is doing so much?

Modifié par KingDan97, 12 août 2011 - 08:16 .

[United_Strafes]

Massadonious1 wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...
more to why are they just as expensive through the parent companies own online distribution site than it more than often is on other sites like D2D or Steam

Execpt I just proved this wasn't the case.

and if your trying to argue which has the better value Origin or Steam get ready to get laughed off the page.

Being on Steam doesn't automatically make it a better value

Um ya, when I can buy Fallout New Vegas and all the DLC for $25 because of a Steam sale it definately automatically makes it a better value......and ya not always the case just the case 90% of the time......

Modifié par United_Strafes, 12 août 2011 - 08:28 .

[Crusherix]

You will need a origin account to play BF3 not necessarily the program running.