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[InvincibleHero]

WreshmanMcGoo wrote...

So EA can delete downloaded games and DLC that you paid for just because you don't use their service within a certain time period? Yeah, sounds like typical EA. Ut's bad enough they're a horrible publisher that mooches off of a few good dev teams like Bioware, but then they start this garbage. If it wasn't for ME, DA, and NHL, I couldn't care less about them. Let's hear the EA fanboys defend their TOS on deleting your bought material after a certain amount of time has passed from your last login.

I always buy hardcopies with the exception of some DLC (like Barnacle Bay for Sims 3 though I thought it was disk) and never buy online only games. Digital distribution means you don't actually own anything according to most EULAs. Also read the TOS for any online game and you'll note they often have a clause saying they can end the game with 30 days notice or something similar. So if they don't get enough people you might get 3 months like some games which makes a 2 year guarantee sound really good.

Steam also has the same thing. So they are no better.

Well if Steam or EA locked anyone from their games are you really going to sue them which would cost far more than the gamnes you bought? Likely not. Consumer rights are a nice ideal like many things but often you have to fight for your own rights when it gets down to it.

[InvincibleHero]

RPGamer13 wrote...

I just wanted to say:

There are games for Steam that require you to download the program if you buy the physical copy.  The Last Remnant is the only one I've seen, but I'm pretty sure there are others.

Then Bioshock 2 requires Games for Windows, I don't see anyone talking about that.


Also, for most people, if they want to play a game bad enough, they will do whatever it takes to play it.  I don't like the idea of having a persistent internet connection for Diablo III, but I've been waiting for it too long and hard to pass up on it because of a setback like that.

By saying you won't play ME3 if it requires Origin, tells me you don't want to play it bad enough so there's no need to hold your breath right now.

Left for Dead 1 and 2 which are made by Valve. I returned them for a full refund to the EA store once I found that out. I really abhor such requirements. I won't get New Vegas despite owning Fallout, and even Tactics. If Skyrim requires Steam then it is out too despite owning all the TES games.  I didn't buy Bioshock II though i would have liked to even for $8 when i could have gotten it on Black Friday

the prices are cheap relatively quickly. If they find it good business Idon;t see how. They inconvenience the real customers while those that steal it get it anyway. Iwill spend my money on other games.

[United_Strafes]

That's too bad, what people aren't understanding is that Steam is Steam. Origin ain't no Steam probably never will be. I have Origin no biggie have some dumb Need for Speed game I bought for $10.

Steam is a lot more that a digital distribution service, anyone who has anything through Origin knows it's just the EA store with a little round symbol, as far as I can tell there's nothing that has changed at all from the EA store. If you have any games through Origin you will know how annoyingly barebones the actual download screen is, and really the site as a whole.

I have nothing against EA wanting to sell thier products themselves, I say go for it, but requiring Origin to run a game is just them making players use the sevice in some form which is silly because it's a store not a service, sure it could become a service in a long time with a lot of effort but it's sure not one now.

As for all these "I won't use Steam" well I'm not real sure how to respond......Sorry for ya I guess?

[TheRealJayDee]

zweistein_J wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

If it is a requirement, then it will be the last EA/Bioware game I spend money on. I dont buy Steam related games for this exact reason.

+1

+2

ME3 is a game I simply can't imagine not to purchase. I preorderd the (albeit slightly dissapointing) CE, and I probably won't be able to cancel it at all, because it's frakkin' ME3. But IF they they make this Origin thing a requirement I will have to take lessons in cracking games, something I was never interested in and never thought I'd be. Origin only games beyond ME3 I'll be able to just ignore. I just wanna buy my games on discs, install them and play them.

[Boiny Bunny]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

ME3 is a game I simply can't imagine not to purchase. I preorderd the (albeit slightly dissapointing) CE, and I probably won't be able to cancel it at all, because it's frakkin' ME3. But IF they they make this Origin thing a requirement I will have to take lessons in cracking games, something I was never interested in and never thought I'd be. Origin only games beyond ME3 I'll be able to just ignore. I just wanna buy my games on discs, install them and play them.

It's wonderfully ironic that EA's best attempts to stop piracy lead to more of it.

[didymos1120]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It's wonderfully ironic that EA's best attempts to stop piracy lead to more of it.

Everybody's best attempts lead to that.

[Kusy]

[Boiny Bunny]

It's a bit concerning IMO.

I think we will eventually reach a point where all games are stored and played off cloud servers owned by respective companies. You won't have any of the game files on your computer, ever, or any access to them. No CDs, no downloads. You'll just be running a client that streams info back and forth. Nothing to crack.

[Kusy]

Honestly... all of you... youre funny at best. EA selling your personal information to third parties? OH MY GOD! NO WAY? Guess what, your telephone provider does that, google does that - they sell browsing and searching information to the police around the globe, facebook already knows who you might know in real world and on the internet provided you gave them your e-mail, some or most of you are members of some or other forum/community where you have no idea who the admins are even tho they have acces to your account's password that you probobly use on any other social network you visit, you accept every ****ing single TOS and User Agreements without reading the first 3 paragraps and suddenly you have a problem with Origins doing exacly what every other service on the internet and your PC, Steam included. Don't tell me you just woke up and have something against the big brother.

Finding your personal information, adress, telephone, e-mail and such is not a matter of someone giving that information out. It's a metter of looking for that information. If someone knows how and where to look he will find it.

Arguments about PC load are just as laughable. Youre not a programer who uses his machine strictly for work, most of you probobly don't even know where their memory is being used, and I don't blame anyone for that. You use your computer for games obviously, and if you have a PC that can handle a game like Battlefield 3 or Mass Effect 3 you honestly don't need to give a **** about how much space and RAM origins is using.

And finaly, to people who said they won't buy the game because they don't buy games asociated with gaming platforms like Origins and Steam... well you better start investing in books and movies because in 5 years you won't have too much to play with on your machine. Just because youre a moron. Yep.



Have a nice day folks.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 13 août 2011 - 03:04 .

[Trakarg]

Requiring Origin? Well, if that turns out to be the case, I'll just play more skyrim instead.

[Jedi31293]

Considering the direction EA is headed, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Origin was required to play ME3. Although I wouldn't mind - I'll be using Origin to play BF3 anyway - it still feels like a dirty move. I can understand requiring Origin for games downloaded directly from the service, but it seems ridiculous making it mandatory when I buy physical copies of my games. This is just the sad direction the industry appears to be heading, and I wonder whether we'll even own our game purchases within the coming decade...

[United_Strafes]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Honestly... all of you... youre funny at best. EA selling your personal information to third parties? OH MY GOD! NO WAY? Guess what, your telephone provider does that, google does that - they sell browsing and searching information to the police around the globe, facebook already knows who you might know in real world and on the internet provided you gave them your e-mail, some or most of you are members of some or other forum/community where you have no idea who the admins are even tho they have acces to your account's password that you probobly use on any other social network you visit, you accept every ****ing single TOS and User Agreements without reading the first 3 paragraps and suddenly you have a problem with Origins doing exacly what every other service on the internet and your PC, Steam included. Don't tell me you just woke up and have something against the big brother.

Finding your personal information, adress, telephone, e-mail and such is not a matter of someone giving that information out. It's a metter of looking for that information. If someone knows how and where to look he will find it.

Arguments about PC load are just as laughable. Youre not a programer who uses his machine strictly for work, most of you probobly don't even know where their memory is being used, and I don't blame anyone for that. You use your computer for games obviously, and if you have a PC that can handle a game like Battlefield 3 or Mass Effect 3 you honestly don't need to give a **** about how much space and RAM origins is using.

And finaly, to people who said they won't buy the game because they don't buy games asociated with gaming platforms like Origins and Steam... well you better start investing in books and movies because in 5 years you won't have too much to play with on your machine. Just because youre a moron. Yep.



Have a nice day folks.

What an idiot. Who's even talking about the **** your spewing? Calling anyone a moron after that trainwreck of grammar and spelling is truly epic.

[didymos1120]

Jedi31293 wrote...

 This is just the sad direction the industry appears to be heading, and I wonder whether we'll even own our game purchases within the coming decade...

You think you own them now?  You don't.  You have a license to use the software, that's it. 

[In Exile]

KingDan97 wrote...
Every digital retailer makes it clear that you have no legal right to their product in the agreement, and if tomorrow Valve accidentally banned your account, not VAC banned, real banned, they would have no legal obligation to reactivate it because they are in the clear since you only ever leased any of the games on your Steam account..

Not exactly. Valve would say they have no legal obligation (terms of their contract). At that point, you could either sue or accept. If precedent exists you're likely screwed (unless you can prove precedent doesn't apply or your lawyer is capable of showing that the case is different enough that the Valve's claim of precedent doesn't stick). It if doesn't, a court is going to rule whether the contract stands. 

The same applies to what EA is doing. They say they can cancel it after that term... but that doesn't mean a court will enforce the contract. Businesses have lost on contracts of adhesion. But they've won, too. Litigation is costly, though, and it's good business to make people think they have no legal recourse. 

[Massadonious1]

NegativelyChrgd wrote...
The whole Origin fiasco is an obvious method by which EA is trying to get a piece of the download market pie. 

How rephensible.

[FERMi27]

EA just can't deal with their constant failing attempts of implementing new DRM. Now they've chosen this. Hopefully they'll get attacked by a massive power of fan bewilderment.

[KingDan97]

In Exile wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
Every digital retailer makes it clear that you have no legal right to their product in the agreement, and if tomorrow Valve accidentally banned your account, not VAC banned, real banned, they would have no legal obligation to reactivate it because they are in the clear since you only ever leased any of the games on your Steam account..

Not exactly. Valve would say they have no legal obligation (terms of their contract). At that point, you could either sue or accept. If precedent exists you're likely screwed (unless you can prove precedent doesn't apply or your lawyer is capable of showing that the case is different enough that the Valve's claim of precedent doesn't stick). It if doesn't, a court is going to rule whether the contract stands. 

The same applies to what EA is doing. They say they can cancel it after that term... but that doesn't mean a court will enforce the contract. Businesses have lost on contracts of adhesion. But they've won, too. Litigation is costly, though, and it's good business to make people think they have no legal recourse. 

As I'd said multiple times, most companies will never actually enforce these policies. I have proof that it's not automatic after 24 months(and more) since I still have my copy of Spore and they wouldn't bother doing that on a case by case basis. They're merely in there in case they need to be used, and there's a very good chance they never will be used by either Valve or EA. I was just stating that every digital retailer has these clauses, and that most of them don't even require you to do anything "wrong".

[Raygereio]

WreshmanMcGoo wrote...
So EA can delete downloaded games and DLC that you paid for just because you don't use their service within a certain time period? Yeah, sounds like typical EA. Ut's bad enough they're a horrible publisher that mooches off of a few good dev teams like Bioware, but then they start this garbage. If it wasn't for ME, DA, and NHL, I couldn't care less about them. Let's hear the EA fanboys defend their TOS on deleting your bought material after a certain amount of time has passed from your last login.

That bit in the TOS is basically there so that EA can delete spawn accounts without hassle.
Important quote from EA: "No Origin user who has paid entitlements and/or downloaded games will have their account cancelled or games expired due to extended non-use." Source.
That said, I'll agree with anyone  who says that bit in TOS wasn't thought out properly. Talk about poor choice of words.

I'm ambivalent about Origins. On the one hand - being the capitalist scum that I am - I applaud competition. Especially after the last big guy that said they were going to compete against steam didn't even try (I'm looking at you Microsoft).
Then again, Origin just doesn't look anywhere to being decent to me at the moment.
Besides the fact that it doesn't have an offline mode, the platform still looks and feels unfinished (given how it seems to be just EA's download manager with a spiffy new look, that is rather unforgivable) and that's even without getting into the really stupid stuff like wrong currencies and crappy techsupport. Right now the only thing Origns has going for it that EA is going to force it down our collective throats. I realise Valve did the same thing with Steam, but I recall that program being out of beta when they did that.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 août 2011 - 09:41 .

[Candidate 88766]

One thing I people should bear in mind is that BF3 is designed with multiplayer in mind. Virtually every person who buys it will do so for the multiplayer, and so the vast majority of players are going to be online when playing this game which means that connecting to Origin isn't an issue for them.

With ME3, EA knows that a lot of people are going to play this offline. They're smart enough to know that forcing people to remain online while playing it will lose some potential sales. Granted, all of us on BSN have access to the internet but not every player will do.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 13 août 2011 - 10:00 .

[Raygereio]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
They're smart enough to know that forcing people to remain online while playing it will lose some potential sales.

Heh, you say that as if you really think the people making these decisions have common sense. That and give a crap about what we gamers think. Note that the industry is still suffering under the misguided believe that you can boost sales by combatting piracy (instead of by making good games and not treating your customers like crap).
And besides, if they're so smart then why did EA implement always-online-DRM's before?

By the way, does anyone here know if Origins does or doesn't have an offline mode similar to steam? The time I checked the platofrm out it didn't have, but it would be unbelievably dumb not to include it.
All google gave me was people asking the same question as mine.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 août 2011 - 10:13 .

[aries1001]

I don't thibk this is the point at all; there are still people, not in Denmark, but in Norway and Sweden who only have 1MB connection to the internet, and sometimes even this connection is unstable. In the US, I know (because I've read their posts about this), there are still people who have capped connection e.g. they can only download a certain amount of MB or GB each month. And in the development countries in the third world..or in Eastern Europe. The internet is not as widespread, there, I think, as it in Western Europe. (I could be wrong, though). And in India, I know, the electricity sometimes goes out for a few hours or so.

Requiring Origin to run will be the same as saying that you'll need a permanent connection to the internet (as in having your browser opened) while playing the game. I do hope this is not the case as this will mean that a lot of people are not going to to be able to this game at all, or at least - not very well.

Edit:

As for EA etc. selling our data to google, to phone companies etc. this might well be so in the US; in the EU and in most European countries this is clearly against the law.

Modifié par aries1001, 13 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[Epantiras]

I've always encountered technical problems with Steam. I hate when I can't play a game I legally purchased because the client is poorly scripted and full of bugs. If ME3 will require Origin (even retail versions) I really hope that it won't suffer the same problems. Also, they'd better correct that "one year only" thing in their TOS. When I buy a game, I want it to be mine FOREVER.
And if there will be one of those stupid "persistent internet connection required" DRMs like in Diablo 3 or recent Ubisoft games, well they can say goodbye to my money.

[Candidate 88766]

Raygereio wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
They're smart enough to know that forcing people to remain online while playing it will lose some potential sales.

Heh, you say that as if you really think the people making these decisions have common sense. That and give a crap about what we gamers think. Note that the industry is still suffering under the misguided believe that you can boost sales by combatting piracy (instead of by making good games and not treating your customers like crap).
And besides, if they're so smart then why did EA implement always-online-DRM's before?

By the way, does anyone here know if Origins does or doesn't have an offline mode similar to steam? The time I checked the platofrm out it didn't have, but it would be unbelievably dumb not to include it.
All google gave me was people asking the same question as mine.

Its not that they care massively for the gamers - they care for the profit, like any company. Anything that might dent their profits is a bad thing. As a single-player game, ME3 doesn't need the internet so many gamers will play offline. EA won't risk sales by forcing gamers to go online.

With a game like BF3, every gamer who has it will be online and so they can enforce this Origin thing and always-on DRM. It might encourge consumers to actually use Origin, so doing this with BF3 is actually a smart move.