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[United_Strafes]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
They're smart enough to know that forcing people to remain online while playing it will lose some potential sales.

Heh, you say that as if you really think the people making these decisions have common sense. That and give a crap about what we gamers think. Note that the industry is still suffering under the misguided believe that you can boost sales by combatting piracy (instead of by making good games and not treating your customers like crap).
And besides, if they're so smart then why did EA implement always-online-DRM's before?

By the way, does anyone here know if Origins does or doesn't have an offline mode similar to steam? The time I checked the platofrm out it didn't have, but it would be unbelievably dumb not to include it.
All google gave me was people asking the same question as mine.

Its not that they care massively for the gamers - they care for the profit, like any company. Anything that might dent their profits is a bad thing. As a single-player game, ME3 doesn't need the internet so many gamers will play offline. EA won't risk sales by forcing gamers to go online.

With a game like BF3, every gamer who has it will be online and so they can enforce this Origin thing and always-on DRM. It might encourge consumers to actually use Origin, so doing this with BF3 is actually a smart move.

Ya but just like ME3 tere's no reason for BF3 to REQUIRE Origin to play. I was playing the Alpha of BF3 and anything that was being done could have been accomplished just as easy without Origin.

This tells me that they're including Origin for the simple fact that we'll have to have it, if we have it chances are we'll use it.

What everybody needs to understand is Steam is a service, anyone that has both Origin and Steam can see the vast difference. Origin in it's current form is just a store. Why the hell do I need a store client to run a game I bought at Target this goes for BF3 as well as ME3.

[Kandid001]

I don't like this whole Origin requirement thing one bit. But at least ME3 is single player, so even if they force Origin on retail copies I expect it to be much less problematic than BF3 will be.

And EA should have tested and refined this Origin instead of forcing it on their major titles and leading to trillions of potential issues...

[TheRealJayDee]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It's a bit concerning IMO.

I think we will eventually reach a point where all games are stored and played off cloud servers owned by respective companies. You won't have any of the game files on your computer, ever, or any access to them. No CDs, no downloads. You'll just be running a client that streams info back and forth. Nothing to crack.

That would be the day I might need to look for another hobby.

Mr.Kusy wrote...

And finaly, to people who said they won't buy the game because they don't buy games asociated with gaming platforms like Origins and Steam... well you better start investing in books and movies because in 5 years you won't have too much to play with on your machine. Just because youre a moron. Yep.

Why are you so mean?
Thank the Maker I movies and books!

[vader da slayer]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It's a bit concerning IMO.

I think we will eventually reach a point where all games are stored and played off cloud servers owned by respective companies. You won't have any of the game files on your computer, ever, or any access to them. No CDs, no downloads. You'll just be running a client that streams info back and forth. Nothing to crack.

That would be the day I might need to look for another hobby.

Mr.Kusy wrote...

And finaly, to people who said they won't buy the game because they don't buy games asociated with gaming platforms like Origins and Steam... well you better start investing in books and movies because in 5 years you won't have too much to play with on your machine. Just because youre a moron. Yep.

Why are you so mean?
Thank the Maker I movies and books!

two things here.

1) why would the cloud system be so bad? it keeps your HDD from clogging up with stuff and still keeps you able to play the game. while I hate the concept of "cloud" technology (Im very much a I-like-hard-copies kinda person) I don't see peoples irrational fear of it either.

2) games/movies will NEVER go to 100% digital format (ie no hardcopy) as then a large portion of the world wouldnt be able to access them. there are a lot of people out there with with DL caps on their internet (namely people in australia) which would prohibit them from being able to download the entire game in one sitting and would therefore cause problems. people who think that digital copies are going to be the standard are very jaded people who need to go to a store and watch how many people still buy CD's and rip those to their mp3 players and dont use the online services that are available (such as Amazon, iTunes and Zune MP).

[KingNothing125]

I don't get what all the hullabaloo is about. Mass Effect 2 requires you to log in to an EA account (AKA Origin) to verify DLC. Bad Company 2 requires you to log in to an EA account (AKA Origin) to play multiplayer, the backbone of the game.

Having to log in to Origin for BF3 is no different. You'll have to do it to play online. What's the big deal?

Mass Effect 3 will require you to log in to Origin to verify DLC, just like Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age... what's the big deal?

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I don't get what all the hullabaloo is about. Mass Effect 2 requires you to log in to an EA account (AKA Origin) to verify DLC. Bad Company 2 requires you to log in to an EA account (AKA Origin) to play multiplayer, the backbone of the game.

Having to log in to Origin for BF3 is no different. You'll have to do it to play online. What's the big deal?

Mass Effect 3 will require you to log in to Origin to verify DLC, just like Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age... what's the big deal?

If you think there's no difference you need to get your head checked.

[KingNothing125]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

If you think there's no difference you need to get your head checked.

It is absolutely not different.

You need to get your head checked because you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

[vader da slayer]

KingNothing125 wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

If you think there's no difference you need to get your head checked.

It is absolutely not different.

You need to get your head checked because you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

King is right, for EVERY EA game I've ever played you've had to connect to the EA servers in some way in order to play the game. why is it different for Origin? just because you'll have to dl some 500 mb client (if that big) to your HDD?

and by every I mean LotR rts, BC1, BC2, the BFMC demo I played as the first "game" on xbl for me. ME2, DA:O and DA2 (well haven't gotten around to DA2 yet but I know it does). and an assundry of different sports games/NFS games. there's litterally no difference other than you needing to DL the client to your HDD.

and to add anytime I haven't been logged into XBL and played either ME2 or DA:O I still can play the dlc and the game since I connected once to the EA servers. so its not gonig to affect anyone in any big way for ME3 as they'll probably just do it the same way in ME3 as they did in ME2.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 14 août 2011 - 04:41 .

[KainrycKarr]

United_Strafes wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...
 I don't need a bunch of things like Origin updating, taking up space, putting icons everywhere, starting up when I start my computer etc...... 

You have control over all of that with Windows. Learn2computer.

Thanks moron. You go ahead and let me know how I can stop Origin from taking up harddrive space, or running Origin without a required update, ya the others I can stop easy cause I can gurantee I'm 10x the computer profeciency you have. 

Apparantly not, if you think starting up when windows starts and icons everywhere is a major problem....

[In Exile]

KingDan97 wrote...
As I'd said multiple times, most companies will never actually enforce these policies. I have proof that it's not automatic after 24 months(and more) since I still have my copy of Spore and they wouldn't bother doing that on a case by case basis. They're merely in there in case they need to be used, and there's a very good chance they never will be used by either Valve or EA. I was just stating that every digital retailer has these clauses, and that most of them don't even require you to do anything "wrong".

I'm not challenging you on that. All I'm saying is that on top of that, these clauses aren't even neccesarily as strict as they sound without a court backing them up. Which means that even if EA or Valve wanted to enforce them, it doesn't mean they could. 

[Ympulse]

Yarrrrrr...

Seriously, that's always my answer to <insert DRM-crazed publisher here>'s shenanegians. Buy the box, leave it in the shrink wrap, and play the DRM-free version.

[didymos1120]

vader da slayer wrote...

 just because you'll have to dl some 500 mb client (if that big) to your HDD?

The current version of Origin uses 106 MiB of disk space. The client, when just sitting there anyway, uses about 128 KiB of memory, roughly 46 KiB of which consists of libraries shareable with other programs.

[Boiny Bunny]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It's a bit concerning IMO.

I think we will eventually reach a point where all games are stored and played off cloud servers owned by respective companies. You won't have any of the game files on your computer, ever, or any access to them. No CDs, no downloads. You'll just be running a client that streams info back and forth. Nothing to crack.

That would be the day I might need to look for another hobby.

Yep, I don't like the idea either - but it's looking more and more likely every day (though I think we're quite a way from every company forcing it upon you).  As I mentioned above, at least it would signal the end of game piracy.

[Von Delacroix]

vader da slayer wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

If you think there's no difference you need to get your head checked.

It is absolutely not different.

You need to get your head checked because you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

King is right, for EVERY EA game I've ever played you've had to connect to the EA servers in some way in order to play the game. why is it different for Origin? just because you'll have to dl some 500 mb client (if that big) to your HDD?

and by every I mean LotR rts, BC1, BC2, the BFMC demo I played as the first "game" on xbl for me. ME2, DA:O and DA2 (well haven't gotten around to DA2 yet but I know it does). and an assundry of different sports games/NFS games. there's litterally no difference other than you needing to DL the client to your HDD.

and to add anytime I haven't been logged into XBL and played either ME2 or DA:O I still can play the dlc and the game since I connected once to the EA servers. so its not gonig to affect anyone in any big way for ME3 as they'll probably just do it the same way in ME3 as they did in ME2.

I strongly disagree, its true you had to log in to get extra content, or multiplayer, but you have the option to not log in, and any bioware DLC is downloaded from the bioware website, not through something controlled by EA. I hate EA, worst thing that ever happened to bioware, before EA, they never woulda released a game with the quality Dragon Age 2 had, ever. EA needs to have as little control as possibe. Their philosophy is money first, customer last, every single time I've had to deal with their cusomer support, its been pure crap. if ME3 requires Origin, then I will not be getting it, Im already depressed about not getting TOR, and BF3, but nothing can be done about it. And with Ubi's draconian DRM, and blizzard following them into hell, mainstream PC gaming isnt looking too promising.

[LadyAlekto]

As usual ended after first page and will read on hereafter...

If they do release me3 with the requirement for origins

Well F***KU, just made a pirated copy more then, i already decided to not get bf3 because of this (not even a illegal one, which means you ****ed up so much i do not even care to try if it might be worth anyways), you lost me in the bf franchise with that **** in 2142 already, bf3 almost got me back....

The thing i accept steam is that it is working, approved and customer friendly, and i know its netpackage's... and i dont trust EA....

Fek drm ruining games....

And if a pirated copy proves your games nice, ill go buy it and put an sealed box to the rest in my shelf, wont be lonely there.... and probably wont be last... wish i could simply pay bioware for an drm free copy, circumventing ea... oh wait... steam does quite allow that*... actually made valve from developer to giant....

*almost drm free, but not intrusive

ps. i like how you made the cerberus network something for paying customer, that is the way to get sales, not clunking up the machines unnecessary. still dont see the me2 dlc's on pirate sites (da:o tho, all of them)

[vader da slayer]

didymos1120 wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

 just because you'll have to dl some 500 mb client (if that big) to your HDD?

The current version of Origin uses 106 MiB of disk space. The client, when just sitting there anyway, uses about 128 KiB of memory, roughly 46 KiB of which consists of libraries shareable with other programs.

+1 to you good sir for that. I've been meaning to dl it for some time just to check it out but haven't gotten around to it yet.

[Darth_Ravor]

...who cares? It's the game that matters and Origin doesn't cost anything. so what's the problem exactly?

[LadyAlekto]

Simple, yet another app that does give you nothing except clocking up hardware.... sure my system is powerfull, doesnt mean i still think like a msdos user and control what exactly it does....

[Bogsnot1]

Alistair4Ever wrote...

...who cares? It's the game that matters and Origin doesn't cost anything. so what's the problem exactly?

1) Origins has nothing to do with the game, so why is it being installed with the game?
2) Once I have purchased the game and installed it, why does EA need to know when and where I am playing it?
3) Why should I have to accept multiple terms and conditions, especially one in which I agree for EA to sell my personal data, just to be able to play a single player, offline game?
4) 3rdparty software often conflicts with the effective running of games, why should I be forced to have another piece of software sitting in the background that can fail and cause my system to crash unexpectedly?
5) If Origins gets to the same level of Steam, and auto-updates games with patches, that can have a detrimental effect, as often patches are not compatible with player/community made mods, or in severe cases, be incompatible with certain driver revisions for some hardware, or software releases.

Note that these can also be used as arguments for why I chose not to use Steam related products, not just Origins.

[jojon2se]

Ok, I don't *know* what I'm about to write, but it does seem a fair assumption.

I wouldn't say Steamworks, or the Origin equivalent, just sits there to "clock up" your hardware.
Instead it provides a unified functionality framework to developers, so that they do not have to reinvent the wheel, for a lot of things and themselves keep services running, years after product release.
Even if the end customers never see the API:s, they should be able to appreciate having the functionality working reliably and in the same way, from game to game - I'm pretty sure nothing there eats cycles while idle.
I'm talking things like maintaining and tracking servers, multiplayer matchmaking, statistics collection, cloud storage, so that you can bring you savegames and profiles with you, between machines, protocols for runtime network traffic and social interaction, marketplace integration, patching, updating, adding content etc.

As you may see, there are a lot of good tidbits for something like BF3 there.

There IS a DRM aspect to the whole thing, probably the main reason to begin with actually, but as long as it's non-intrusive and "invisible", the added services should make up for it, for most players - certainly seems to do so for Steam.

Yes; EA has earned itself a bit of a reputation. Best way they can get rid of that is to shut up and just provide excellent product and service, which will speak for themselves.

[Bogsnot1]

You are trying to portray it as not being a bad thing. Let me ask you this, what is bad about not wanting it in the first place?

[Weskerr]

I never would have become a Bioware fan without Steam. I heard about DA:O from the Gamespot website and saw the 9.5/10 score they gave it and I was intrigued. I looked on Steam to see if I could just buy it there and play it instantly and I could. I wasn't intrigued enough about DA:0 to go out and buy a hard copy from Gamestop though, or order a hard copy online from Amazon.com. After I played it, I basically thought to myself, "Hmm, since this Bioware game is so good, I might as well check out other Bioware games." I searched Gamespot.com again and found Mass Effect 1 with a 8.5/10 rating. Again I was intrigued but not enough to buy a hard copy. I searched the Steam store for it and saw that it was already a few years old, but I decided to buy it and download it. Loved it. Then I found out that Mass Effect 2 was coming out in a few weeks and I immediately pre-ordered it on Steam.

In short, I think EA Bioware is shooting itself in the foot by preventing people from purchasing their games on Steam. They're losing potential customers who have never played their games before.

[jojon2se]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

You are trying to portray it as not being a bad thing. Let me ask you this, what is bad about not wanting it in the first place?

Nothing.

[packardbell]

Doesn't bother me. No different from you being forced to use steam for Valve games, most which are predominately single player games - so no, I'll be getting ME3 for PC regardless of what happens to it.

[Anakronist]

The reason I like steam is because I could have almost all my games on it. I can still add non-steam games ofcourse, but thats not the same.
I dislike having to have a program for every publisher just to buy the games I like, or in general have programs running just to run my game. I could live with steam, I wouldn't mind the other programs being there, but don't force me to use them please.