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[Obsidian Gryphon]

OT; I think there was a kid (baby) for the male PC in BG. It's conveniently stuffed in the inventory (LI's inventory, I think. I didn't get to finish playing the male PC round)  though.     Female PC, no. Impossible to have a kid while rushing to meet big bad baddie in showdown. 

Back to topic, I'd rather have it in epilogue (if the devs / writers even bother to do this angle).

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Twistedfaith wrote...

I don't understand all the hate? What is wrong with pregnancy, why shouldn't it be brought into the game? Give one -valid- reason why it shouldn't. I don't see how this.. can be an argument, before people lash out with.. "ME isn't a simdate game", or something of the likes.
It isn't, we all know that, it'll be an added option down the line with your LI. You really think Bioware will play the trump card. "Uuuh, one night stand, you're preggers?", no, I doubt they will, that'd be unproffessional of Shepard AND really go against his/her beliefs. The game isn't based around some strumpet/man**** who's intent is to fratanise and have their way with as many men/women/alien as they can.

 Regardless of allignments Para/Rene, saving the galaxy from the Reapers is his/her priority, thus, with the intent to "knock up" squad members and those whom can rear children/beimpregnated is by default, botched.

Now, that does leave open a few things, chopping and changing between characters? I do believe that'll be where some of this conflict BW are talking about would kick in, after making such promises and putting forward an opinion of wanting children with said character, then the next time turn them down. After all, this is futuristic, not modern day. ((Teenagepregnancy in space? Lulwhat?))

Quite honestly, it's a damn great idea to deepen the RP aspect of the game, rather than have your generic stories, something new, something great. I hope they don't back on their decision, like the past with same sex relationships, twice now I believe? This should be a chosen element, yes, as should s/s relationships(which hopefully won't be removed), not revoked and torn out of the game.

I think for some people video games are an escape from reality that includes marriage and kids and naturally they don't want in their video games.   

[Destroy Raiden_]

Not really some people like it others don't. Some say lets have it be an option but the more I think of it how would BW make this an option unless it was Morrigan style were she says let's have a kid and then what do you need to be evil ren and tell your LI to toss themselves off a bridge just to say I don't want kids and then LI won't ever want to be with you again because while you really wanted to sleep with them the kids things wasn't what you had in mind? Talk about wheel nightmares!

I think the kids issue should be fanfic only territory regaurdless of if LI is human or not. Sense Liara joked about kids with LI shep then maybe after game they can give you a text box saying " And shep and Liara settled down on planet X and had 4 children"

I don't really need to say this but sense we're on kids and fanfics are abound no children with Garrus, Tali, Miranda why because Miranda is sterile and team dextro aren't compatable with their respective sheps and miracle fixes are lame.

EDIT: I also think shep should be sterile once the body dies you have 24 hours to get the stuff you want and freeze it for vaiability shep was gone and was not found within that time frame. Shep being frozen on world or placed in cryo doesn't up your chances of viabilty either (the body is still decaying). After death that is one thing that isn't coming back online not to mention TIM wouldn't have bothered sense its not important to shep being shep all he has to say is you're good if shep asks only if shep takes the nessisary test (behind TIM's back) would he/she find out otherwise.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 14 août 2011 - 03:38 .

[ashez2ashes]

Yeah, shepard can't have kids, not the normal way at least. Maybe if they had a donated egg and input his/her donated genetic material like how they make clones.

[ThePwener]

Shepard can't have kids (spoiler!).

[SandTrout]

ashez2ashes wrote...

Yeah, shepard can't have kids, not the normal way at least. Maybe if they had a donated egg and input his/her donated genetic material like how they make clones.

Maybe that's how TIM is using the Collector base tech? All the collectors were cloned, after all:bandit:

[Izhalezan]

ThePwener wrote...

Shepard can't have kids (spoiler!).

Because...?

[Iakus]

SandTrout wrote...

ashez2ashes wrote...

Yeah, shepard can't have kids, not the normal way at least. Maybe if they had a donated egg and input his/her donated genetic material like how they make clones.

Maybe that's how TIM is using the Collector base tech? All the collectors were cloned, after all:bandit:

Hmm, Cerberus' new army is made up of cloned Shepards....been done before, but could still be interesting.

But personally, I don't have a problem as such with Shepard having a kid in ME3.  But it woud have to be handled juuuuust right, or it'll sink into melodrama/silliness.  Done right. it could be a very cool concept for a nonstandard rpg.  And this is a nonstandard rpg, right?

[Xeranx]

Nashiktal wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Those pictures didn't bother me. Hybridization has been in science fiction for about as long as I can remember so I'm not skeeved by the idea of such.

I do have to note how people stretch things to the point that it doesn't make sense. I don't know if anyone actually specified that they want an LI to follow them on missions while exhibiting signs of pregnancy. It's the same kind of behavior that's attributed to [some] women in that they don't make a logical leap, but go beyond the scope of what's being discussed and make conclusions that don't fit.

Mass effect is not that kind of Sci fi. Hybridization has been confirmed to NOT be in through lore.

I may have missed it, but I don't remember coming across that at all.  I would think it would be possible considering some of the things that are mentioned: Miranda being solely created from male DNA, Ashley's eyes being fixed in vitro, Grunt being created while still retaining the genophage, and Shepard being brought back to life from (what can colloquially be claimed) a smear on the wall.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

ashez2ashes wrote...

Yeah, shepard can't have kids, not the normal way at least. Maybe if they had a donated egg and input his/her donated genetic material like how they make clones.

Maybe that's how TIM is using the Collector base tech? All the collectors were cloned, after all:bandit:

Hmm, Cerberus' new army is made up of cloned Shepards....been done before, but could still be interesting.

But personally, I don't have a problem as such with Shepard having a kid in ME3.  But it woud have to be handled juuuuust right, or it'll sink into melodrama/silliness.  Done right. it could be a very cool concept for a nonstandard rpg.  And this is a nonstandard rpg, right?

I think it goes without saying that this would have to occur sometime towards the end of the game, right?

[CRISIS1717]

Sounds like something from an awful fanfic, which is exactly where any Shep kids should stay.

[atomicwolfdog]

hasn't birth control come along any further in the future? i could maybe see Liara popping one out, but she didn't between the 2 years Shep was missing ME->ME2, so....

[Xeranx]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Twistedfaith wrote...

I don't understand all the hate? What is wrong with pregnancy, why shouldn't it be brought into the game? Give one -valid- reason why it shouldn't. I don't see how this.. can be an argument, before people lash out with.. "ME isn't a simdate game", or something of the likes.
It isn't, we all know that, it'll be an added option down the line with your LI. You really think Bioware will play the trump card. "Uuuh, one night stand, you're preggers?", no, I doubt they will, that'd be unproffessional of Shepard AND really go against his/her beliefs. The game isn't based around some strumpet/man**** who's intent is to fratanise and have their way with as many men/women/alien as they can.

 Regardless of allignments Para/Rene, saving the galaxy from the Reapers is his/her priority, thus, with the intent to "knock up" squad members and those whom can rear children/beimpregnated is by default, botched.

Now, that does leave open a few things, chopping and changing between characters? I do believe that'll be where some of this conflict BW are talking about would kick in, after making such promises and putting forward an opinion of wanting children with said character, then the next time turn them down. After all, this is futuristic, not modern day. ((Teenagepregnancy in space? Lulwhat?))

Quite honestly, it's a damn great idea to deepen the RP aspect of the game, rather than have your generic stories, something new, something great. I hope they don't back on their decision, like the past with same sex relationships, twice now I believe? This should be a chosen element, yes, as should s/s relationships(which hopefully won't be removed), not revoked and torn out of the game.

I think for some people video games are an escape from reality that includes marriage and kids and naturally they don't want in their video games.   

Seeing as my reply might get lost if I edit my earlier post I'll just make my response to this here.

I think that's a pretty selfish (not that humans aren't generally selfish anyway...but exorbitantly more in this case) way of looking at this.  My background features the cliche no-biological father syndrome.  Then on top of that I have or had (it's really not that far along anyway) the issue with me and my step-father being out of touch and not getting along.  Can't I say that I don't want Thane's loyalty mission to be included in-game because that's a reminder of something real for me and therefore uncomfortable to experience?  Or Jack's loyalty mission since I was a loner for most of my childhood?  I mean to this day I form connections and retreat because I'm worried I'll get or be viewed as clingy.  Hell, going back to my statement on Thane, Jacob reminds me of a piece of what I have to deal with.  At the very least he got some good lessons from his dad before he left.  That didn't happen with me.

Point is, some aspect of real life will be featured in a game.  Coming up with excuses for it not being included is incredibly selfish especially if it's optional content.  I'm not directing this at you, or maybe I am if you're the one who actually used this flawed argument earlier in the thread:  

People who think this way have problems (more important problems that need to be settled rather than use something as an escape) if this your statement is the first or one of the first things that pops into your head at the mere mention of your character having kids in a game.  And, of course, that's my opinion.

[Badpie]

I think they should leave babies out of Mass Effect. Period.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

I think it goes without saying that this would have to occur sometime towards the end of the game, right?

Most likely, yeah.  This isn't exactly Fable, Dark Side scars aside...

Though it would be no end to hilarious if Ash were to walk up to maleshep with a toddler at some point...

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

I think it goes without saying that this would have to occur sometime towards the end of the game, right?

Most likely, yeah.  This isn't exactly Fable, Dark Side scars aside...

Though it would be no end to hilarious if Ash were to walk up to maleshep with a toddler at some point...

Ugh, the thought frightens me. They'd have to handle that material delicately, and I mean bomb waiting to explode delicately, if I'm to take it seriously. On the bright side, if done correctly (and without cliche`s), it really could bring emotion in Mass Effect to a whole different level.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

Ugh, the thought frightens me. They'd have to handle that material delicately, and I mean bomb waiting to explode delicately, if I'm to take it seriously. On the bright side, if done correctly (and without cliche`s), it really could bring emotion in Mass Effect to a whole different level.

Precisely.

[Arppis]

Gah, I hope not. If it was upto me, I'd just sterilize my Shepard right off the bat. Or make him use protection of some kind. I would like to hear whatkind of birthcontrol mechanisms they have came up in this universum. XD

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Il Divo wrote...

iakus wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

ashez2ashes wrote...

Yeah, shepard can't have kids, not the normal way at least. Maybe if they had a donated egg and input his/her donated genetic material like how they make clones.

Maybe that's how TIM is using the Collector base tech? All the collectors were cloned, after all:bandit:

Hmm, Cerberus' new army is made up of cloned Shepards....been done before, but could still be interesting.

But personally, I don't have a problem as such with Shepard having a kid in ME3.  But it woud have to be handled juuuuust right, or it'll sink into melodrama/silliness.  Done right. it could be a very cool concept for a nonstandard rpg.  And this is a nonstandard rpg, right?

I think it goes without saying that this would have to occur sometime towards the end of the game, right?

According to a codex entry on Genetic Engieering in Mass Effect 1: 

 Genetic Engineering
In the 22nd century, manipulation of the human genome became commonplace. Techniques for genetic engineering advanced to the point where the rich could custom-build fetuses that grew into stronger, smarter, and more attractive adults. In more permissive regions, custom-designed life forms and "uplifted" animals occupied an ill-defined niche between "property" and "sapient being".
Travel to planets with unique forms of life brought an awareness that Earth's biodiversity could be lost if it spliced and hybridized to gain useful alien qualities. The Sudham-Wolcott Genetic Heritage Act was passed by the Systems Alliance Parliament in 2161. It imposed sharp restrictions on controversial uses of genetic engineering, but provided government subsidies for beneficial applications.
SCREENING AND THERAPY: Most governments provide free assessments and corrective therapy for genetic diseases in prospective parents. This has nearly eliminated everything from cystic fibrosis to nearsightedness. The earlier screening and therapy is performed, the more comprehensive the results. Though ideally performed on artificially fertilized zygotes in a lab, procedures are available for embryos in the womb and newborns, out of respect for personal beliefs.
ENHANCEMENT: Improvements of natural human abilities is legal, but adding new abilities is not. Treatments to improve strength, reflexes, mental ability, or appearance are permitted; adding a tail or the ability to digest cellulose is not. Some genetic enhancement is provided for free to Alliance military recruits, but the average citizen must pay for the privilege. The process can take years to reach fruition in an adult.
ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal. Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medical applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council.

I got this from Mass Effect Wiki.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 16 août 2011 - 01:06 .

[easyt3hremember]

Nope would just make mass effect even more akward that it already is.

[WidowMaker9394]

**** no.

[Xeranx]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

According to a codex entry on Genetic Engieering in Mass Effect 1 2: 

 Genetic Engineering
In the 22nd century, manipulation of the human genome became commonplace. Techniques for genetic engineering advanced to the point where the rich could custom-build fetuses that grew into stronger, smarter, and more attractive adults. In more permissive regions, custom-designed life forms and "uplifted" animals occupied an ill-defined niche between "property" and "sapient being".
Travel to planets with unique forms of life brought an awareness that Earth's biodiversity could be lost if it spliced and hybridized to gain useful alien qualities. The Sudham-Wolcott Genetic Heritage Act was passed by the Systems Alliance Parliament in 2161. It imposed sharp restrictions on controversial uses of genetic engineering, but provided government subsidies for beneficial applications.
SCREENING AND THERAPY: Most governments provide free assessments and corrective therapy for genetic diseases in prospective parents. This has nearly eliminated everything from cystic fibrosis to nearsightedness. The earlier screening and therapy is performed, the more comprehensive the results. Though ideally performed on artificially fertilized zygotes in a lab, procedures are available for embryos in the womb and newborns, out of respect for personal beliefs.
ENHANCEMENT: Improvements of natural human abilities is legal, but adding new abilities is not. Treatments to improve strength, reflexes, mental ability, or appearance are permitted; adding a tail or the ability to digest cellulose is not. Some genetic enhancement is provided for free to Alliance military recruits, but the average citizen must pay for the privilege. The process can take years to reach fruition in an adult.
ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal. Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medical applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council.

I got this from Mass Effect Wiki.

So apparantly it's not ruled out, is entirely possible in-universe, but is frowned upon... much like building artificial intelligence.

Edit: Correction made on where codex entry originated.

Modifié par Xeranx, 16 août 2011 - 05:42 .

[SniperNoSniping]

A cut scene at the end of the series with a child from your romance option would be cute, but none while you can still play the game, imo.