AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
So your blaming the father for the sins of the son now? Yes the quarians did wrong, however once the geth gained free will they are responsible for there OWN ACTIONS, they became "there own man" so to speak.
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
xXljoshlXx wrote...
CMDR Locke wrote...
Whoah whoah whoah you can't bring up Skynet to win this debate. The Geth play video games, and have catchy one liners, they're so cool! Skynet just tried to end all organic life on Earth...
Wargames had an AI computer that was going to launch Nuclear Weapons because it didn't know it was just a game.
None of these are the same situations though the geth did not attack first but they won so they are wrong?
No man their wrong because their machines because VIRUSES AND SKYNET!!
These aren't normal machines. You can't compare them to toasters or viruses this is different than anything we have in real life or in other Sci-Fi. Most Sci-Fi have given us this "machines will some day take over and try to kill us" mentality and Mass Effect comes along and changes that. The Geth aren't looking to exterminate all life in the galaxy. We already have the Reapers aiming for that. They have beliefs and their own opinions seriously the anti geth people seem to completely ignore Legion in canon or something.
"oh but the geth killed their masters and ran them off their homeworld"
only because they didn't want to die themselves
The fact that they have self preservation desires proves you can't treat them like a simple toaster. You can say they don't deserve it all you want doesn't change the fact that they desire it.
Skynet had a self-preservation desire to. Soooooooo it MUST have been wrong for people to try to turn it off.
It's posts like this that made me give up bothering debating the quarian/geth thing.Dionkey wrote...
Geth. They did nothing wrong other than breaking free from enslavement. It's the Quarian's fault for building an enslaving a sentient race.
Dionkey wrote...
Geth. They did nothing wrong other than breaking free from enslavement. It's the Quarian's fault for building an enslaving a sentient race.
Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 13 août 2011 - 07:48 .
didymos1120 wrote...
xXljoshlXx wrote...
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
You want Proof? How about using something called common sense? We know the Quarian species numbered in the billions, and we know not every quarian in existence was apart of their military. Put 2+2 together.
Sounds like assuming and you know what say about assuming
No, it's called "induction". What the hell do you think happened to those billions of quarians? They died of natural causes?
Modifié par Rogue Unit, 13 août 2011 - 07:51 .
Rockworm503 wrote...
Heres the thing about the "their just machines" argument. If my toaster tried to kill me for making toast then I'd think I'm crazy lol. You can't really compare this to real life application. The Geth are machines yes. But machines capable of fighting back if pushed. What if the way to avoid the rise of the machines in Terminator was to talk to them and try to reach an understanding? Maybe the fact their just machines mean they should have no rights. Their actions and what their capable of tells me otherwise.
didymos1120 wrote...
No, it's called "induction". What the hell do you think happened to those billions of quarians? They died of natural causes?
GodWood wrote...
It's posts like this that made me give up bothering debating the quarian/geth thing.Dionkey wrote...
Geth. They did nothing wrong other than breaking free from enslavement. It's the Quarian's fault for building an enslaving a sentient race.
Praetor Shepard wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
Heres the thing about the "their just machines" argument. If my toaster tried to kill me for making toast then I'd think I'm crazy lol. You can't really compare this to real life application. The Geth are machines yes. But machines capable of fighting back if pushed. What if the way to avoid the rise of the machines in Terminator was to talk to them and try to reach an understanding? Maybe the fact their just machines mean they should have no rights. Their actions and what their capable of tells me otherwise.
Well, some toasters want to watch the world burn...
Listen, if we built robots and enhanced their intelligence to the point where they could learn and ask questions and those same robots rebelled because they realized they were enslaved, it would be our fault. This is simply the arrogant being ignorant. It's a shame so many had to die, but it's no one but the Quarians fault for playing with fire.GodWood wrote...
It's posts like this that made me give up bothering debating the quarian/geth thing.Dionkey wrote...
Geth. They did nothing wrong other than breaking free from enslavement. It's the Quarian's fault for building an enslaving a sentient race.
Rockworm503 wrote...
No man their wrong because their machines because VIRUSES AND SKYNET!!
These aren't normal machines. You can't compare them to toasters or viruses this is different than anything we have in real life or in other Sci-Fi. Most Sci-Fi have given us this "machines will some day take over and try to kill us" mentality and Mass Effect comes along and changes that. The Geth aren't looking to exterminate all life in the galaxy. We already have the Reapers aiming for that. They have beliefs and their own opinions seriously the anti geth people seem to completely ignore Legion in canon or something.
"oh but the geth killed their masters and ran them off their homeworld"
only because they didn't want to die themselves
The fact that they have self preservation desires proves you can't treat them like a simple toaster. You can say they don't deserve it all you want doesn't change the fact that they desire it.
The quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors—less than one percent of their entire population—escaped the genocide, fleeing their home world in a massive fleet, refugees forced to live in exile.
Dionkey wrote...
It's a shame so many had to die, but it's no one but the Quarians fault for playing with fire.
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xXljoshlXx wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
No man their wrong because their machines because VIRUSES AND SKYNET!!
These aren't normal machines. You can't compare them to toasters or viruses this is different than anything we have in real life or in other Sci-Fi. Most Sci-Fi have given us this "machines will some day take over and try to kill us" mentality and Mass Effect comes along and changes that. The Geth aren't looking to exterminate all life in the galaxy. We already have the Reapers aiming for that. They have beliefs and their own opinions seriously the anti geth people seem to completely ignore Legion in canon or something.
"oh but the geth killed their masters and ran them off their homeworld"
only because they didn't want to die themselves
The fact that they have self preservation desires proves you can't treat them like a simple toaster. You can say they don't deserve it all you want doesn't change the fact that they desire it.
You do realize I'm arguing for the Geth?
Someone With Mass wrote...
Slayer299 wrote...
Yes, its just terrible that they have different views on how to deal with the Geth instead of just falling on their knees apologizing.
Plus, the Geth committed Genocide against the Quarins in the MW, how do you commit genocide against a piece of software?
That.
Legion even says that they're immortal.
They have privileges the quarians don't.
When you are thrust into a world where you know nothing but work and do not have your questions answered, you become confused. Could the geth have responded differently? Sure, but it's not like morals were taught to them. Responding with violence was the quickest and most logical method in a Geth's mind, especially considering the Quarians weren't listening to them.AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Dionkey wrote...
Geth. They did nothing wrong other than breaking free from enslavement. It's the Quarian's fault for building an enslaving a sentient race.
Has Man fallen this far? Is this quote above a sign of us falling deeper and deeper?
Didn't your parents teach you that one wrong doesn't make another wrong right?
Frak what the Quarians did, it doesn't matter what they tried to do to the Geth. What matters is that the Geth responded with the act of trying to wipe out all of the Quarians. I don't mind the Geth defending themsleves, after all, they do deserve to survive, however they went OVERBOARD.
Attempted genocide does not make another act of genocide right, regardless of who or what does it.
That's all i was asking for was proof. Thank youdidymos1120 wrote...
You know, I shoulda done this earlier. From Revelation:The quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors—less than one percent of their entire population—escaped the genocide, fleeing their home world in a massive fleet, refugees forced to live in exile.
Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 13 août 2011 - 07:56 .
Rockworm503 wrote...
oh no nonon nononon I haven't played that yet!
didymos1120 wrote...
You know, I shoulda done this earlier. From Revelation:The quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors—less than one percent of their entire population—escaped the genocide, fleeing their home world in a massive fleet, refugees forced to live in exile.
Modifié par Rogue Unit, 13 août 2011 - 07:55 .
No, but the Geth cannot tell the difference between the innocent and the ones at fault. If a bear comes into your house (terrible analogy) and kills your family because you left the door open, is it everyones fault? Of course not, but the bear couldn't tell the difference.didymos1120 wrote...
Dionkey wrote...
It's a shame so many had to die, but it's no one but the Quarians fault for playing with fire.
And every quarian was equally at fault? They all had it coming?
Rogue Unit wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
You know, I shoulda done this earlier. From Revelation:The quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors—less than one percent of their entire population—escaped the genocide, fleeing their home world in a massive fleet, refugees forced to live in exile.
Read my post above.
And if that's true, why the hell would they try to go to war with the Geth again? Their numbers are fewer than what they were during the Morning War and the Geth are more advanced and have so many advantages it's hard to list them all.
Seems like they're detremined to lose that last 1%.
Dionkey wrote...
No, but the Geth cannot tell the difference between the innocent and the ones at fault. If a bear comes into your house (terrible analogy) and kills your family because you left the door open, is it everyones fault? Of course not, but the bear couldn't tell the difference.
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Men like you makes this world a scary place.
Eating Mr. Noodles and it's pretty late so I can't think straight.xXljoshlXx wrote...
Not trying to attack you or anything but why use a terrible analogy seems like a waste to me
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