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Dionkey wrote...
 No, but the Geth cannot tell the difference between the innocent and the ones at fault.


Please.  They were just plain incapable of determining that, say, an infant wasn't a threat?  If they were truly so stupid, they shouldn't have been able to win that war,  much less read the sacred scrolls (which demonstrates they had access to all sorts of knowledge that would have helped them make such determinations) and comprehend them well enough to ask troubling questions about souls.

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Read my post above.

And if that's true, why the hell would they try to go to war with the Geth again? Their numbers are fewer than what they were during the Morning War and the Geth are more advanced and have so many advantages it's hard to list them all.

Seems like they're detremined to lose that last 1%.


Um, I don't care about that.  I'm not discussing the present.  Hence me not discussing the present.

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The more logical choice would probably be the quarians.

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didymos1120 wrote...

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 No, but the Geth cannot tell the difference between the innocent and the ones at fault.


Please.  They were just plain incapable of determining that, say, an infant wasn't a threat?  If they were truly so stupid, they shouldn't have been able to win that war,  much less read the sacred scrolls (which demonstrates they had access to all sorts of knowledge that would have helped them make such determinations) and comprehend them well enough to ask troubling questions about souls.

Technologically, they are the most advanced race in the galaxy. Philosophically, they are the most primitave. Examing data cannot help you gain a sense of morality or emotion, it can do just about everything else, though.

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The more logical choice would probably be the quarians.


I can see where your coming from but i think the more logical choice for me would be the Geth. One of the biggest reason is they already beat the quarians. I can see alot more advantages and less disadvantages than the Qaurians.
But hey that's just my take on it.

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"But they're are sentient"

Screw their sentience. They feel no pain or fear. They don't suffer. That's the difference.
If you try to kill a geth, it won't "like" it, it wont "dislike" it. It will only do what it thinks it's logical, fight for continued existence. They're were an accident.
Unless you really need them to fight the Reapers there is no point in choosing fancy robots over living, breathing beings.

Plus they want to build some megastructure and isolate themselves anyway, all the galactic civilizations will get is a creepy neighbor.

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I hope there is an option in ME3 for you to help the Quarians find a way to get back control over all of the geth.

Modifié par Ryanratto, 13 août 2011 - 10:08 .


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While the Geth might be more immediately useful, the Quarians are more likely to be a loyal client species to the rising Human Empire.

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Mr_DeMille wrote...

"But they're are sentient"

Screw their sentience. They feel no pain or fear. They don't suffer. That's the difference.
If you try to kill a geth, it won't "like" it, it wont "dislike" it. It will only do what it thinks it's logical, fight for continued existence. They're were an accident.
Unless you really need them to fight the Reapers there is no point in choosing fancy robots over living, breathing beings.

Plus they want to build some megastructure and isolate themselves anyway, all the galactic civilizations will get is a creepy neighbor.


Some humans don't feel pain or fear. Should we just kill them because they don't like or dislike it?

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xXljoshlXx wrote...

jreezy wrote...

The more logical choice would probably be the quarians.


I can see where your coming from but i think the more logical choice for me would be the Geth. One of the biggest reason is they already beat the quarians. I can see alot more advantages and less disadvantages than the Qaurians.
But hey that's just my take on it.

Yeah that makes sense. From a combat perspective the Geth would most likely be the better choice. Personally I want the Quarians and the Geth on my side.

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AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

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You want Proof?  How about using something called common sense?   We know the Quarian species numbered in the billions, and we know not every quarian in existence was apart of their military.  Put 2+2 together.


Sounds like assuming and you know what say about assuming

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So your blaming the father for the sins of the son now?  Yes the quarians did wrong, however once the geth gained free will they are responsible for there OWN ACTIONS, they became "there own man" so to speak.

What sin? Winning the war?


Men like you makes this world a scary place.

Ad hominem much?

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SandTrout wrote...

While the Geth might be more immediately useful, the Quarians are more likely to be a loyal client species to the rising Human Empire.



I don't really support any client race not because I don't like but i don't want become reliant on another species like the council races. Maybe the Vorcha I would accept.

legion999 wrote...

Mr_DeMille wrote...

"But they're are sentient"

Screw their sentience. They feel no pain or fear. They don't suffer. That's the difference.
If you try to kill a geth, it won't "like" it, it wont "dislike" it. It will only do what it thinks it's logical, fight for continued existence. They're were an accident.
Unless you really need them to fight the Reapers there is no point in choosing fancy robots over living, breathing beings.

Plus they want to build some megastructure and isolate themselves anyway, all the galactic civilizations will get is a creepy neighbor.


Some humans don't feel pain or fear. Should we just kill them because they don't like or dislike it?


Of course that is the logical course of action :D

Besides i prefer  people who don't bother me.

Does it matter if they breathe or don't ?

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xXljoshlXx wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

While the Geth might be more immediately useful, the Quarians are more likely to be a loyal client species to the rising Human Empire.



I don't really support any client race not because I don't like but i don't want become reliant on another species like the council races. Maybe the Vorcha I would accept.

legion999 wrote...

Mr_DeMille wrote...

"But they're are sentient"

Screw their sentience. They feel no pain or fear. They don't suffer. That's the difference.
If you try to kill a geth, it won't "like" it, it wont "dislike" it. It will only do what it thinks it's logical, fight for continued existence. They're were an accident.
Unless you really need them to fight the Reapers there is no point in choosing fancy robots over living, breathing beings.

Plus they want to build some megastructure and isolate themselves anyway, all the galactic civilizations will get is a creepy neighbor.


Some humans don't feel pain or fear. Should we just kill them because they don't like or dislike it?


Of course that is the logical course of action :D

Besides i prefer  people who don't bother me.

Does it matter if they breathe or don't ?



Of course how dare they go off and compute pi all day.

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I chose to enslave both races as a servants of the Grand Shepard's Empire.

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I would side with the Geth. The Quarians deserved to get their asses kicked for their stupidity and moronic response when they discovered the sapience of the Geth, the Geth were simply defended themselves. Also, the Quarians have ancient ships that are packed so they aren't the best allies. Geth on the other hand...

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SovietCyborg wrote...

I chose to enslave both races as a servants of the Grand Shepard's Empire.


I like this plan 

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I think the council races might dislike that you side with the geth, so there might be other consequences...

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I think the council races might dislike that you side with the geth, so there might be other consequences...


Quarians aren't held in good light either.

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I keep seeing this type of comment and I can only shake my head sadly. How can you accuse the Quarians of enslaving VI's that were programmed to handle dangerous jobs for them? Are you saying that your toaster or your PC is being enslaved by you?


Unfair how many toasters do you know can talk and have consious thought?
Did anyone actually dismiss everything Legion says just because he's made of metal?


It's not unfair at all. Geth were no more than walking VI's when they were created, so my statement stands that you cannot "enslave" a VI. I compared them to toasters since both are extremely common items in both universes.

And no, I'm not dismissing everything Legion has to say. In fact he's comfirmed a bit of what the Quarians/Tali tell you about earlier. But I'm not just accepting that everything out of Legion's mouth is the truth either, same as Tali since her version is going to be naturally biased.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Heres the thing about the "their just machines" argument. If my toaster tried to kill me for making toast then I'd think I'm crazy lol. You can't really compare this to real life application. The Geth are machines yes. But machines capable of fighting back if pushed. What if the way to avoid the rise of the machines in Terminator was to talk to them and try to reach an understanding? Maybe the fact their just machines mean they should have no rights. Their actions and what their capable of tells me otherwise.


This isn't helping your argument any. The machines in Terminator went on a killing spree from minute one, when was anyone going to get close enough to them without getting killed to talk. The Quarians feared that would be the case for them once *all* the Geth reached sentience instead of just a few.

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Slayer299 wrote...

Yes, its just terrible that they have different views on how to deal with the Geth instead of just falling on their knees apologizing.

Plus, the Geth committed Genocide against the Quarins in the MW, how do you commit genocide against a piece of software?


That.

Legion even says that they're immortal.

They have privileges the quarians don't.


The Geth aren't really immortal. They don't die naturally of course, but they can be killed. Geth 'death' occurs when a Geth platform is destroyed before the software can upload itself safely to a server.


And when other Geth are around in numbers there are hubs for them to upload themselves when they "die". So they are in effect immortal, or as close as your going to get since Geth don't travel alone and Legion is an exception not the rule.

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Can't they simply work together?

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I'd support the quarians. No question. And btw I think Tali is boring.

Modifié par Wereparrot, 13 août 2011 - 01:26 .


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Eh I'm far as I'm concerned the Quarians brought their fate on themselves there are innocent bystanders of course but they ended up suffering for the militant Quarians. They don't have to suffer anymore. They could just leave the others. 

Those idiots that want to attack the Geth though? I'd lol as their ships became scrap metal. 
 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 août 2011 - 01:23 .


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Can't they simply work together?


Apparently not since Legion tells Quib the Geth are open to peace, yet he doesn't find that important enough to mention to the other admirals. If he did, that means they simply didn't listen.


"Go to war with the Geth!"
"Go to war with the Geth!"
"Enslave the Geth!"
"Find a peaceful solution."
"I'm not sure."

Peace doesn't seem likely.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 13 août 2011 - 01:27 .