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[Zkyire]

xXljoshlXx wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Quarians. 1.The Geth killed all of the peaceful diplomats the council sent, which shows that they have no sense of 2.right or wrong, no morality. That makes them childlike. 3.And dangerous.

1.The quarians attacked any chance Victory was certain

2.Right and Wrong are based on opinions 

3.The Quarians have the largest fleet out of all the races 

Doesn't really mean anything.

Those ships are full of a near-extinct species.

They're not going to send those ships en masse into battle. The size of the Quarian flotilla doesn't mean it's a true military power.

[Han Shot First]

I favor peace between the two but if I absolutely had to choose one over the other, it would be the Geth.

The Quarians were the aggressors in the Morning War and they are the only party that still wants war. What happened to the Quarians is tragic but it is a tragedy that was wrought by Quarian hands. The only thing the Geth were guilty of during the Morning War was of fighting for their survival like any organic species would have done, and of winning. The Quarians need to give up the conquest pipe dream and negotiate a return to Rannoch.

[KnightofPhoenix]

If I am allowed to do what I'd want to do, I'd try to reach a peace settlement between both, and have Humanity be the mediator, but make it so it would be a cold war, making the Quarians dependent on our support, and make the Geth who probably want to avoid war be dependent on human diplomacy.

If I can't and I am forced to pick one side, I'll probably pick the Quarrians, because it's more likely they would be allies to Humanity to counter balance the "Council Trinity" than an isolationist AI race that can also be a very great threat. But I would never allow the Quarrians to control them, that would make them a if not the superpower in the galaxy and a threat.

Sorry Geth, I really love all of you, it's strictly business.

EDIT: unless project Overlord yields results, in which case, I might consider siding with the Geth knowing Humanity has a deterrent.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 août 2011 - 05:12 .

[bleetman]

If it comes to picking one or the other, I just hope I also get to pick neither. You want help to settle your differences, I'll get behind that. If you're looking for another gun to help blow each other to hell, good luck with that, cya.

And since I'm a nit-picker:

Mass N7 Effect N7 Maniac wrote...

Of course we know that the quarians plan on taking back their homeworld in ME3.

Not necessarily, unless I'm missing some released info regarding ME3, which is entirely likely. The situation during ME2 has them leaning more towards trying to find somewhere new to live. They've already dispatched at least one of their larger, newer (meaning highly valuable to the fleet) ships to that end. The result being that aging warships like Han'Gerrel and Tali's father were trying to scramble up something they can use as a weapon against the Geth to sway support back to their side.

If it still comes to blows between the Geth and the Quarians, I'm going to be somewhat disappointed.

[Reever]

The player: Wants peace.
Paragons/ "Sane" Renegades (-> More people alive, more forces against the Reapers): Peace.
Other Sheps: Depends on LI, and attitude towards Geth!

Oh, and, insane renegade Shep: Mutual distruction =)

Modifié par BlueDemonX, 13 août 2011 - 05:22 .

[JGDD]

Geth. Always.

Having already been forced to sacrifice several hundred thousand lives for the greater good I see no reason why 17 million Quarians can't fend for themselves if they do not decide to play nice with the Geth in the grand scheme of things. My number one goal is not to cover for their mistakes - it's to make sure humanity doesn't end up a footnote. Siding with the more powerful ally is prudent to the survival of my species.

The greater Geth population has shown zero aggression towards humans/any species since the end of the Morning War; the exceptions are those that ventured into their territory. When they do take up arms they are relentless and will not stop until the goal is reached or their mobile platforms are exhausted. This is the kind of ally I want beside me when the greatest threat of the galaxy decides to come calling.

[Someone With Mass]

bleetman wrote...

Not necessarily, unless I'm missing some released info regarding ME3, which is entirely likely. The situation during ME2 has them leaning more towards trying to find somewhere new to live. They've already dispatched at least one of their larger, newer (meaning highly valuable to the fleet) ships to that end. The result being that aging warships like Han'Gerrel and Tali's father were trying to scramble up something they can use as a weapon against the Geth to sway support back to their side.

If it still comes to blows between the Geth and the Quarians, I'm going to be somewhat disappointed.

You know that E3 demo where Shepard is fleeing from a Reaper they thought was a base in a geth vehicle? I think that's the quarian homeworld.

[KnightofPhoenix]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
The greater Geth population has shown zero aggression towards humans/any species since the end of the Morning War; the exceptions are those that ventured into their territory.

Can you guarantee they would remain that way? The Geth are evolving and changing and we have seen examples. They are a wild card and their behavior cannot be entirely predicted any more than organics. What we do know is that the Heretics only managed to challenge the Council races and almost beat them. They represent only a tiny fraction of the "true Geth."

I agree that the Geth would be powerful allies against the Reapers. But since I believe that Humanity is fubared with the conquest of Earth and who knows what else, my primary objective is securing a post-Reaper galaxy that is favorable to human interests (I would not mind the galaxy being extinguished if humanity will die out or become weak beyond repair after the war). Without Overlord and a counter balance (like the Quarrians), I believe the Geth stand contrary to that interest.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 août 2011 - 05:44 .

[Someone With Mass]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Geth. Always.

Having already been forced to sacrifice several hundred thousand lives for the greater good I see no reason why 17 million Quarians can't fend for themselves if they do not decide to play nice with the Geth in the grand scheme of things. My number one goal is not to cover for their mistakes - it's to make sure humanity doesn't end up a footnote. Siding with the more powerful ally is prudent to the survival of my species.

The greater Geth population has shown zero aggression towards humans/any species since the end of the Morning War; the exceptions are those that ventured into their territory. When they do take up arms they are relentless and will not stop until the goal is reached or their mobile platforms are exhausted. This is the kind of ally I want beside me when the greatest threat of the galaxy decides to come calling.

Have you played ME1 at all?

The geth heretics were relentless in their attacks towards organics. They even had bases they used as staging grounds for their attacks on colonies.

The few that tried to enter the Perseus Veil were captured and turned into husks and sent back as a warning.

Don't try to make the geth be the innocent party, because they aren't and they never have been.

And by your logic, we can sacrifice the geth for "the greater good", since they're vastly outnumbering the quarians.

[JGDD]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Can you guarantee they would remain that way?

Three centuries have indicated they are more stable* than a rag-tag bunch headed down the passenger pigeon path. Until proven otherwise, I will stick to my choice if it is presented as such.



*Heretics notwithstanding

[KnightofPhoenix]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Can you guarantee they would remain that way?

Three centuries have indicated they are more stable* than a rag-tag bunch headed down the passenger pigeon path. Until proven otherwise, I will stick to my choice if it is presented as such.



*Heretics notwithstanding

Contact with organics, or any other being for that matter also showed that it makes them change. The Heretics were a "natural" phenomenon. It required Sovereign to show up, but they became that way on their own.

Unless we can guarantee that they remain in complete isolation (which is impossible, it's based entirely on their volition), I would not be so sure they would remain the way they are. Especially if the Quarrian attack makes them change perspective (which it most likely will).

Imagine if Xen tried to control them. I think this, more than anything, would make the Geth more fearful of organics. It doesn't even have to be the entirety of the Geth that would reach this conclusion for it to be a threat. A fraction can be very threatening on its own.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 août 2011 - 05:52 .

[JGDD]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Have you played ME1 at all?

The geth heretics were relentless in their attacks towards organics. They even had bases they used as staging grounds for their attacks on colonies.

The few that tried to enter the Perseus Veil were captured and turned into husks and sent back as a warning.

Don't try to make the geth be the innocent party, because they aren't and they never have been.

And by your logic, we can sacrifice the geth for "the greater good", since they're vastly outnumbering the quarians.

I said the greater Geth population. The Heretics are, from all indications, a minority splinter faction and certainly not the end all of Geth actions. Did you play either game and understand that message? Legion is, for all intents and purposes, an emissary of the Geth. He explains this in conversations as well.

[ddv.rsa]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

3.The Quarians have the largest fleet out of all the races [/b][/i][/u]

Doesn't really mean anything.

Those ships are full of a near-extinct species.

They're not going to send those ships en masse into battle. The size of the Quarian flotilla doesn't mean it's a true military power.

Most of those ships are also hopelessly obsolete and in bad repair. I don't think the Quarians even have any dreadnoughts. Despite the size of the flotilla, a handful of cruisers from any Council race could probably tear it to pieces. Against the Reapers, I think the migrant fleet would be completley useless. The best the Quarians can provide is a lot of skilled personnel.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 13 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[Aaleel]

For the record, I think the Quarians brought their current situation on themselves...BUT

I would pick the Quarians in the war if it came to it because there's always a chance, and far easier for the Geth to be taken control of by the Reapers. There was a virus ready for this exact thing once, so who is to say that it can't be again.

And if the Geth are taken control of after joining, and have knowledge of defense and other strategies, not good, not good at all.

[lokiarchetype]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Can you guarantee they would remain that way? The Geth are evolving and changing and we have seen examples. They are a wild card and their behavior cannot be entirely predicted any more than organics. What we do know is that the Heretics only managed to challenge the Council races and almost beat them. They represent only a tiny fraction of the "true Geth."

I agree that the Geth would be powerful allies against the Reapers. But since I believe that Humanity is fubared with the conquest of Earth and who knows what else, my primary objective is securing a post-Reaper galaxy that is favorable to human interests (I would not mind the galaxy being extinguished if humanity will die out or become weak beyond repair after the war). Without Overlord and a counter balance (like the Quarrians), I believe the Geth stand contrary to that interest.

We can't guarantee the behavior of organics, so why should we expect to be able to guarantee the behavior of synthetics?

Can you guarantee the Quarians won't turn into expansionistic warmongers once they eliminate the Geth?  Any species is a wild card.  Maybe we need the Geth to counterbalance the Quarians and keep them from turning their sights elsewhere. 

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 13 août 2011 - 06:01 .

[Rogue Unit]

Someone With Mass wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Geth. Always.

Having already been forced to sacrifice several hundred thousand lives for the greater good I see no reason why 17 million Quarians can't fend for themselves if they do not decide to play nice with the Geth in the grand scheme of things. My number one goal is not to cover for their mistakes - it's to make sure humanity doesn't end up a footnote. Siding with the more powerful ally is prudent to the survival of my species.

The greater Geth population has shown zero aggression towards humans/any species since the end of the Morning War; the exceptions are those that ventured into their territory. When they do take up arms they are relentless and will not stop until the goal is reached or their mobile platforms are exhausted. This is the kind of ally I want beside me when the greatest threat of the galaxy decides to come calling.

Have you played ME1 at all?

The geth heretics were relentless in their attacks towards organics. They even had bases they used as staging grounds for their attacks on colonies.

The few that tried to enter the Perseus Veil were captured and turned into husks and sent back as a warning.

Don't try to make the geth be the innocent party, because they aren't and they never have been.

And by your logic, we can sacrifice the geth for "the greater good", since they're vastly outnumbering the quarians.

The Geth were innocents in the beginning. By the end of the War, not so much. But intially they were.

[bleetman]

Someone With Mass wrote...

You know that E3 demo where Shepard is fleeing from a Reaper they thought was a base in a geth vehicle? I think that's the quarian homeworld.

Oh? Interesting. Not that it necessarily means the Quarians are invading the place, but yes. Interesting.

Modifié par bleetman, 13 août 2011 - 05:57 .

[Medhia Nox]

Fascinating - one robot comes and tells you: "No, we're good now." and suddenly everyone is ready to make a species go extinct.

I hope Legion turns out to be programmed based on the human bull-**** principle. That is - humans will believe any bull-**** you feed them if you put a metal plate on your shoulder that says: "I like you - see?"

[ddv.rsa]

lokiarchetype wrote...

We can't guarantee the behavior of organics, so why should we expect to be able to guarantee the behavior of synthetics?

Can you guarantee the Quarians won't turn into expansionistic warmongers once they eliminate the Geth?

Synthetics can reproduce and build weapons way faster than any organic race. They are also perfectly disciplined, fearless soldiers. The Reapers should be enough to convince anyone of the threat synthetics pose.

[Barquiel]

If I'm forced to chose...the Geth.

The Geth fleet would be way more useful against the Reapers than the Flotilla.

[KnightofPhoenix]

lokiarchetype wrote...
We can't guarantee the behavior of organics, so why should we expect to be able to guarantee the behavior of synthetics?

Can you guarantee the Quarians won't turn into expansionistic warmongers once they eliminate the Geth?

No. What I can guarantee you is that they would be too weak to do so (unless they control the Geth, which I would not allow). And that Humanity has a far greater chance of exerting economic, political and diplomatic influence on them than on  an auto-sufficient race, especially if the other races still treat Quarrians like crap. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 août 2011 - 06:03 .

[lokiarchetype]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Synthetics can reproduce and build weapons way faster than any organic race. They are also perfectly disciplined, fearless soldiers. The Reapers should be enough to convince anyone of the threat synthetics pose.

The reapers are synthetic and organic.

And by that logic we should finish off the Krogan and take out whatever races are more technically advanced than us since they pose a significant threat if they decided to engage in hostilities.

[Rogue Unit]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Fascinating - one robot comes and tells you: "No, we're good now." and suddenly everyone is ready to make a species go extinct.

I hope Legion turns out to be programmed based on the human bull-**** principle. That is - humans will believe any bull-**** you feed them if you put a metal plate on your shoulder that says: "I like you - see?"

When that same robot saves your life, listens to you and doesn't transmitt data to its people about a group of organic's plan to attack them,  helps you remove a hostile group of geth from the galaxy, and helps you undermine the "Gods" of that same group of Geth, I think he's earned a bit of trust.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 13 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

lokiarchetype wrote...

And by that logic we should finish off the Krogan and take out whatever races are more technically advanced than us since they pose a significant threat if they decided to engage in hostilities.

No, by that logic we should keep the genophage (modify it) and help the Krogans put in place adequate insitutions to be able to alleviate their cultural / technological gap.

And use them to counter balance the Turians and Salarians, of course.

[Someone With Mass]

Rogue Unit wrote...

When that same robot saves your life, listens to you and doesn't transmitt data to its people about a group of organic's plan to attack them,  helps you remove a hostile group of geth from the galaxy, and helps you undermine the "Gods" of that same group of Geth, I think he's earned a bit of trust.

Not enough trust to wipe out his creators. Not that any race can earn that kind of trust, anyway.