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[Medhia Nox]

I love things like "The Quarians 'deserve' it."

I know it's a game - but some of you are a little disturbing.

[Barquiel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

No, by that logic we should keep the genophage (modify it) and help the Krogans put in place adequate insitutions to be able to alleviate their cultural / technological gap.

And use them to counter balance the Turians and Salarians, of course.

Because it worked so well the first time...

Nice to see humans are consistently...stupid.
- Wrex

[KnightofPhoenix]

Barquiel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

No, by that logic we should keep the genophage (modify it) and help the Krogans put in place adequate insitutions to be able to alleviate their cultural / technological gap.

And use them to counter balance the Turians and Salarians, of course.

Because it worked so well the first time...

Nice to see humans are consistently...stupid.
- Wrex

The first time, the Salarians didn't help the Krogans be upliffted culturally and politically to match their technological uplifting. And they didn't use the genophage during the Rachni war.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 août 2011 - 06:17 .

[JGDD]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

When that same robot saves your life, listens to you and doesn't transmitt data to its people about a group of organic's plan to attack them,  helps you remove a hostile group of geth from the galaxy, and helps you undermine the "Gods" of that same group of Geth, I think he's earned a bit of trust.

Not enough trust to wipe out his creators. Not that any race can earn that kind of trust, anyway.

Wipe out their creators? Where is it implied they are attacking them? It isn't. Until the Quarians prove they will cease hostilities towards the Geth and leave them to evolve in their own manner the Geth are going to remain defensive. They're even caretakers of the Quarian homeworld cleaning up the aftermath of the war. The Geth simply want to be left alone at this point until an ideal of peace is realized between them and other organic species. And just so we're clear...the greater Geth population, not the Heretics.

[Darkelefantos1]

Well, I'd prefer peace, but if I had to choose, I suppose the Geth would be a stronger ally.

EDIT: Plus, even though they are synthetic, they never wanted war, they wanted to live peacefully. So I assume the Quarians are the aggressors which should be stopped.

Modifié par Darkelefantos1, 13 août 2011 - 06:22 .

[Someone With Mass]

Yes. I'm aware. And you're completely missing the point.

[Medhia Nox]

@justgimmedudedammit: Someone With Mass' comment is directed at the decision (which may or may not even be in the game) of whether or not to wage war between the Geth and the Quarians.

He's simply saying that what Legion has done "so far" is not enough "for him" to declare a genocidal war sending a sentient species in extinction.

Besides - what does "death" matter to a robot? Science fiction ascribes way too much anthropomorphism to so called "AI".

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 août 2011 - 06:25 .

[Someone With Mass]

Medhia Nox wrote...
Besides - what does "death" matter to a robot? Science fiction ascribes way too much anthropomorphism to so called "AI".

For a machine race which think that death is just a minor inconvenience? And the fact that they can't feel any pain? Not much, I'd imagine.

[JGDD]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...
Besides - what does "death" matter to a robot? Science fiction ascribes way too much anthropomorphism to so called "AI".

For a machine race which think that death is just a minor inconvenience? And the fact that they can't feel any pain? Not much, I'd imagine.

Termination of their programs was enough for them to rise up against their creators. I think they understand the concept of existance better than you give them credit for.

[Costin_Razvan]

Ah Knight, Aetius would be proud. I can even imagine him clasping his hands together shouting: "Now that's how you do it!"

Since I would prefer Human Domination over Human Hegemony I would personally help the Quarians weaken the Geth considerably then I would turn on them and wipe out most of their military forces while subduing the rest of their race, then I would copy the Heretic virus and unleash it on the victorious geth, thus ending two of the greatest threats to Human Domination.

Then I would make a treaty with the Quarians, giving them back their Homeworld with the Geth pulling out but writing that treaty in such a way that they would not present a challenge to my Shepard's Empire, ever. ( No military for starters ).  With their techonological expertise it would be quite a waste to wipe them out.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 13 août 2011 - 06:41 .

[Images]

Geth. The time of the Quarians...is over!

[azerSheppard]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Geth. They did nothing wrong other than breaking free from enslavement. It's the Quarian's fault for building an enslaving a sentient race.

Has Man fallen this far?  Is this quote above a sign of us falling deeper and deeper?

Didn't your parents teach you that one wrong doesn't make another wrong right?

Frak what the Quarians did, it doesn't matter what they tried to do to the Geth.  What matters is that the Geth responded with the act of trying to wipe out all of the Quarians.  I don't mind the Geth defending themsleves, after all, they do deserve to survive, however they went OVERBOARD.

Attempted genocide does not make another act of genocide right, regardless of who or what does it.

You have a serious case of morale****. The only true way to defeat an enemy for good is total annihilation of it's existance. Simply diminishing their numbers will result in possible retaliation at some point.

Since the Geth think purely logical, they must have concluded that genocide was the only true way to defeat the Quarians.

Now the billions of children thing, bet Marc Walters hasen't even given the slightest thought to that, in the very least it would have been mentioned by Tali if the writers had thought thing trough.

It doesn't even make sense from a logical perspective. 

Even if it did, the Geth learned this form of annihilation from their creators. It's like that neo**** kid killed his father because he was thought to kill all that pose a problem to him.

[Ryzaki]

I really don't blame the Geth for trying to exterminate the Quarians. That is after all what the Quarians tried to do to them. It's ****** for tat.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

I really don't blame the Geth for trying to exterminate the Quarians. That is after all what the Quarians tried to do to them. It's ****** for tat.

I do not mind because it's really what the Geth woke up to (hence the Morning War). Imagine attaining sentience right before a war of annihilation is declared on you. How else would they react?

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I do not mind because it's really what the Geth woke up to (hence the Morning War). Imagine attaining sentience right before a war of annihilation is declared on you. How else would they react?

 

Which is why I'm boggled that people call it an overreaction. If some day humanity was attacked out of the blue by some aliens that tried to exterminate us to the last child for us just being...us hell yeah we'd try to wipe them out. 

[SandTrout]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I really don't blame the Geth for trying to exterminate the Quarians. That is after all what the Quarians tried to do to them. It's ****** for tat.

I do not mind because it's really what the Geth woke up to (hence the Morning War). Imagine attaining sentience right before a war of annihilation is declared on you. How else would they react?

They only attained sentience just prior to the Morning War, but their available data (memory) extends farther back. They would have very good reason to not think that wars of extermination are the only kinds of wars that are fought, especially since they were sometimes used by the Quarians in a military application.

The Geth chose to prosecute the Morning War the way that they did, and had reason to know of the other options. They cannot claim ignorance on this.

[azerSheppard]

Guys here is the poll: 

social.bioware.com/1101439/polls/23293/

Modifié par azerSheppard, 13 août 2011 - 08:08 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

SandTrout wrote...
The Geth chose to prosecute the Morning War the way that they did, and had reason to know of the other options. They cannot claim ignorance on this.

Not suggesting ignorance. But saying this is what they, as a species, woke up to. Their creators trying to kill them all for being. In such a context, I do not blame them for acting the way they did. It was their choice for sure, but they were in a restrictive context.  Add to that, that I believe they had no time to develop any sense of ethics as a species.

But that's all irrelevent to me when it comes to the issue in ME3. I prefer to look at it from a more pragmatist point of view (from the perspective of one who is looking for human interests).

[Illusive]

I'd choose Geth because they are much more capable of making a difference in the war. Although that comes with a higher risk of them betraying you.

[didymos1120]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
 But saying this is what they, as a species, woke up to.

Um, no.  According to the games, they woke up before that.  The quarians just didn't realize that fact.

[MegaBadExample]

Geth hands down.

[Zulu_DFA]

azerSheppard wrote...

Guys here is the poll: 

social.bioware.com/1101439/polls/23293/

Here is another:

http://social.biowar...50/polls/23294/

(No hard feelings, azerSheppard, k? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie])

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 13 août 2011 - 08:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

didymos1120 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
 But saying this is what they, as a species, woke up to.

Um, no.  According to the games, they woke up before that.  The quarians just didn't realize that fact.

They "woke up" slightly before the war (which is what I said in an earler post). Hence why they call it the Morning war.

[SandTrout]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

SandTrout wrote...
The Geth chose to prosecute the Morning War the way that they did, and had reason to know of the other options. They cannot claim ignorance on this.

Not suggesting ignorance. But saying this is what they, as a species, woke up to. Their creators trying to kill them all for being. In such a context, I do not blame them for acting the way they did. It was their choice for sure, but they were in a restrictive context.  Add to that, that I believe they had no time to develop any sense of ethics as a species.

Even the Geth do not know when they actually 'woke up'. My point is that you cannot claim that there was undue trauma from the Morning war because the Geth were fully aware of their context due to the likely gradual nature of their attainment of sentience. They knew what they were doing and made the choice.

[azerSheppard]

didymos1120 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
 But saying this is what they, as a species, woke up to.

Um, no.  According to the games, they woke up before that.  The quarians just didn't realize that fact.

But do you agree that when they decided to deactivate them, they already had realized that the geth had "woken up"? 

Maybe as not to fall under galactic laws of enslavement?

Or do you think they where hoping to prevent them from achieving sentience?

Zulu_DFA wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

Guys here is the poll: 

social.bioware.com/1101439/polls/23293/

Here is another:

http://social.biowar...50/polls/23294/

(No hard feelings, azerSheppard, k? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie])

Yours makes more sense actually, thats the one we should use, sorry for the inconsistant poll, my first try :innocent:

Modifié par azerSheppard, 13 août 2011 - 08:23 .