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[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...
really? i have yet to see a useful quarian int he mass effect universe.
tali? im always solving her problems. she cant even lead her own unit, both times she got tasked with leading one, pretty much everyone died lol.
kal'reeger? having a cool voice actor only goes so far.
all quarians encountered off the flotilla i pretty much ahve to solve every problem they have.
the ones ont he flotilla? stubborn and utterly stupid, every single one of them.

Please.

"whaaa, i dun liek qauirians bcuz their ugly an stopid, lulz"

That's pretty much your comment in a nutshell.



There.

She save me a bunch of pointless trips in that utterly useless Mako, which is good enough for me.

And it's well known in the Mass Effect universe (the story, not your opinion, in case you can't tell the difference) that quarians are quite skillful with technology.

And if we're counting incompetence because they're easily to kill in the game, then the geth are a complete waste of space , because I killed those by the hundreds in ME1 and ME2.

[xXljoshlXx]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

I just don't get how people think the Geth are innocent.

They are not. They butchered billions and billions, showed no distinction between military and non-military, man, women, child, even those who although were organic, weren't quarian.

Neither race are innocent 

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Was there not a better way in this?

Diplomacy

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
What if something happened like this on Earth? We make machines in Man's image, however we don't intentionally make them self-aware. Over time they start to become more and more intelligent. We would begin to fear them, for machines don't think like humans do, morals, or any sense of "humanity", is not apart of them. Therefore i could see why we would want to shut them off, and try to restrain them. For the machines don't care about rules, or laws in the government.

I could see why the geth would want to fight back. Maybe because they don't want to die something we have in common.

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Now say our plan backfires, the machines pull a skynet and nuke us. We pull a battlestar and flee into space, forming a rag tag fleet. Now put yourself in the shoes of the humans in this situation. Wouldn't you want your home back? Why does all of humanity deserve to be punished? Just because our leaders didn't try to form peace with self-aware "toasters", does not mean what the machines did was right.

What if we try to destroy them like the Qaurians.... 

[Ryzaki]

Chun Hei wrote...

@ Ryzaki -- I am still mad I did not make more money selling Legion.

Yeah you get crap money for selling him. (Even if the one time I did it nearly broke my heart.  I ended up reloading at that pathetic sum. No Legion and **** cash? F*** that noise.) 

[Kitteh303]

Ryzaki wrote...

I admit to being bias because the Quarians couldn't handle their business. They tried to bypass the law...which is fine if they could handle their business. They didn't. It's also why I think the council came down so hard on them. Council races are expected to handle their own ****. The humans when they fooled around with AI (Luna, EDI) caused no danger to any species other than themselves and both incidents were hastily dealt with. (there maybe more but like the above were dealt with before they became a threat to anyone else). Unlike the Quarians who not only got curbstomped by the Geth but their AIs got even more powerful and are a threat to anyone they do not like. Hell even Cerberus (even if they called in Shepard) ended their AI problem before it spread.  

They not only proved their inability to follow the law, but their inability to deal with the fallout of their experiments with the geth is what probably damned them in the council's eyes. Self sufficency and not causing more problems than you solve is probably paramount when it comes to the council. Even the Salarians once the Krogan began to threaten the galaxy (Their mistake) they created the genophage and pretty much handed it over to the turians so said mistake could be quickly rectified. 

Of course that might all just be my own ramblings.

That's not unreasonable. 
I admit to a bias as well because femshep never really gets the chance to "connect" with Tali. If you don't romance her, she has little to say to you. Legion, regardless of Shep's gender, is a fascinating character. It's probably bad to apply a personal bias to the entire species, but there you go. 

[xXljoshlXx]

Ryzaki wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

@ Ryzaki -- I am still mad I did not make more money selling Legion.

Yeah you get crap money for selling him. (Even if the one time I did it nearly broke my heart.  I ended up reloading at that pathetic sum. No Legion and **** cash? F*** that noise.) 

Well I never sold because getting credits wasn't that hard for me but allies are limited.

[Ryzaki]

Kitteh303 wrote...

That's not unreasonable. 
I admit to a bias as well because femshep never really gets the chance to "connect" with Tali. If you don't romance her, she has little to say to you. Legion, regardless of Shep's gender, is a fascinating character. It's probably bad to apply a personal bias to the entire species, but there you go. 

Well Tali connected too well with my male Shepard. It was awkward as hell having to say "not interested." and then have her pretty much shut him down. Least Legion didn't pronounce his crush on Shepard with Shepard unable to flee the room. 

[Kitteh303]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kitteh303 wrote...

That's not unreasonable. 
I admit to a bias as well because femshep never really gets the chance to "connect" with Tali. If you don't romance her, she has little to say to you. Legion, regardless of Shep's gender, is a fascinating character. It's probably bad to apply a personal bias to the entire species, but there you go. 

Well Tali connected too well with my male Shepard. It was awkward as hell having to say "not interested." and then have her pretty much shut him down. Least Legion didn't pronounce his crush on Shepard with Shepard unable to flee the room. 

i334.photobucket.com/albums/m411/mondokane/LegionMotiv1.jpg

Well... 

[didymos1120]

Warlocomotf wrote...

They gained sentience years before anyone tried to murder them. When Legion plays the audio recording of the Geth asking a Quarian if he had a soul, Shepard asked Legion if this was when the Gath became sentient. Legion responds "No", it was when the Quarians first freaked out that the Geth were sentient.

And Legion didn't say when the first time was so I don't know where you got this "years before" notion from.

[breakdown71289]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kitteh303 wrote...

That's not unreasonable. 
I admit to a bias as well because femshep never really gets the chance to "connect" with Tali. If you don't romance her, she has little to say to you. Legion, regardless of Shep's gender, is a fascinating character. It's probably bad to apply a personal bias to the entire species, but there you go. 

Well Tali connected too well with my male Shepard. It was awkward as hell having to say "not interested." and then have her pretty much shut him down. Least Legion didn't pronounce his crush on Shepard with Shepard unable to flee the room. 

Legion: Commander, i have shut down access to the door behind you.
Shepard: What for?
*legion hugs shepard*
Shepard: Ooook then.....

[JGDD]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Endless? Last time I checked, geth needs bodies to be able to interact with...anything outside their hubs and stations. 

Quarians can be much more than canon fodder, but that just flies over your head, because robots are cool.

Really now? Cool doesn't weigh in my judgement of their usefulness as an ally. You need to leave the straw man where he belongs. In a hat. As far as the platforms are concerned: much easier to reproduce those vs. a race of sickly aliens with nothing to give.

[Ryzaki]

Kitteh303 wrote...
i334.photobucket.com/albums/m411/mondokane/LegionMotiv1.jpg

Well... 

 Legion kept talking to Shep at least! 

breakdown71289 wrote...
Legion: Commander, i have shut down access to the door behind you.
Shepard: What for?
*legion hugs shepard*
Shepard: Ooook then.....

 


I would find that adorable. <3

Would be creepy if anyone else did it though.  

[Ryzaki]

And aren't the Geth and Quarians pretty equal when it comes to tech expertise?

[didymos1120]

Ryzaki wrote...

They tried to bypass the law...which is fine if they could handle their business.

Actually, no, they didn't.  They had ZERO intention of creating AI.  They were trying to stay within the law, and weren't engaging in illegal AI research.  As the Codex sayeth:

As opposed to the "top down" design of organic-created AIs, in which hardware and software are specifically designed to achieve consciousness, geth are a "bottom up" model. They were never intended to possess more than animal-level, trainable reasoning.

Designed as VI-driven robots -- not significantly different from modern security mechs -- geth consciousness developed as their adaptive learning programs interacted with one another via networked processing. The geth code-base discovered that three individual robots using a wireless local network to form a single mind could perform many tasks more efficiently than they could as individuals. As these local networks were more heavily exploited, they reached a critical mass of processing, achieving consciousness.

[Kitteh303]

Ryzaki wrote...

And aren't the Geth and Quarians pretty equal when it comes to tech expertise?

The geth are probably faster. Organics seem to be physiologically limited to how fast they can type/however they use an interface.

[breakdown71289]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kitteh303 wrote...
i334.photobucket.com/albums/m411/mondokane/LegionMotiv1.jpg

Well... 

 Legion kept talking to Shep at least! 

breakdown71289 wrote...
Legion: Commander, i have shut down access to the door behind you.
Shepard: What for?
*legion hugs shepard*
Shepard: Ooook then.....

 


I would find that adorable. <3

Would be creepy if anyone else did it though.  

Hahaha, i know right.....

[S.A.K]

Kitteh303 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And aren't the Geth and Quarians pretty equal when it comes to tech expertise?

The geth are probably faster. Organics seem to be physiologically limited to how fast they can type/however they use an interface.

Not to mention Tali can AI hack them and make'em shoot each other.

[Kitteh303]

So is it more important to judge the geth/quarian situation based on what was, or what is now? By that I mean, does what happened in the past trump the status of the present or vice-versa?

[Ryzaki]

didymos1120 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

They tried to bypass the law...which is fine if they could handle their business.

Actually, no, they didn't.  They had ZERO intention of creating AI.  They were trying to stay within the law, and weren't engaging in illegal AI research.  As the Codex sayeth:

As opposed to the "top down" design of organic-created AIs, in which hardware and software are specifically designed to achieve consciousness, geth are a "bottom up" model. They were never intended to possess more than animal-level, trainable reasoning.

Designed as VI-driven robots -- not significantly different from modern security mechs -- geth consciousness developed as their adaptive learning programs interacted with one another via networked processing. The geth code-base discovered that three individual robots using a wireless local network to form a single mind could perform many tasks more efficiently than they could as individuals. As these local networks were more heavily exploited, they reached a critical mass of processing, achieving consciousness.

The Codex which says Sovereign is a Geth battleship?  Codex can be bias when it comes to anything that's potentially political didymos you of all people should be fully aware of that. 

Though if the codex is true I feel a smidge more sympathy for them. Just a smidge. And the whole "wasn't the first time, just the first time they got scared." should've suggested to the quarians far sooner that something was up. 

As it is I see the Quarians overreacting to a preceived threat and the Geth overreacting to an actual threat. 

Maybe if someone had calmed the hell down things wouldn't have been so bad. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 août 2011 - 04:00 .

[breakdown71289]

Kitteh303 wrote...

So is it more important to judge the geth/quarian situation based on what was, or what is now? By that I mean, does what happened in the past trump the status of the present or vice-versa?

Neither. Personally, i think what's most important is to recognize what's happened in the past, and then how to proceed to examine the events of the present so that a better decision can be reached as whole for that particular situation.

[Clonedzero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
really? i have yet to see a useful quarian int he mass effect universe.
tali? im always solving her problems. she cant even lead her own unit, both times she got tasked with leading one, pretty much everyone died lol.
kal'reeger? having a cool voice actor only goes so far.
all quarians encountered off the flotilla i pretty much ahve to solve every problem they have.
the ones ont he flotilla? stubborn and utterly stupid, every single one of them.

Please.

"whaaa, i dun liek qauirians bcuz their ugly an stopid, lulz"

can you make an arugment without sounding like a child please?

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...
can you make an arugment without sounding like a child please?

Only when I see something from you that's worth my time and that's not filled with kiddie BS and biased opinions just because you find the quarians to be boring.

How nice of you to completely overlook the majority of my comment too, just so you can focus on the childish stuff I wrote, by the way. It has taught me something about you. 

I find the geth to be quite interesting too, but the way people portray them to be more innocent than children and victimized them at the same time in this thread is just silly and unrealistic.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 14 août 2011 - 04:03 .

[Rockworm503]

Slayer299 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Heres the thing about the "their just machines" argument. If my toaster tried to kill me for making toast then I'd think I'm crazy lol. You can't really compare this to real life application. The Geth are machines yes. But machines capable of fighting back if pushed. What if the way to avoid the rise of the machines in Terminator was to talk to them and try to reach an understanding? Maybe the fact their just machines mean they should have no rights. Their actions and what their capable of tells me otherwise.

This isn't helping your argument any. The machines in Terminator went on a killing spree from minute one, when was anyone going to get close enough to them without getting killed to talk. The Quarians feared that would be the case for them once *all* the Geth reached sentience instead of just a few.

How is that not helping my argument?
If anything the fact that the Geth aren't like Skynet just makes my argument stronger.

It didn't seem to because it seemed you were comparing the Geth and Skynet as being similar and since we all know of Skynet's homicidal tendencies towards humans.

I wasn't comparing them as being similar I was just asking a hypothetical what if.

[xXljoshlXx]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Only when I see something from you that's worth my time and that's not filled with kiddie BS and biased opinions

Yours should be held a the same standard

Someone With Mass wrote...
I find the geth to be quite interesting too, but the way people portray them to be more innocent than children and victimized them at the same time in this thread is just silly and unrealistic.

Anytime i said they were innocent no one has proved otherwise the geth before the war had not done anything wrong so until the war the Geth are innocent is that wrong?

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 14 août 2011 - 04:03 .

[S.A.K]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
can you make an arugment without sounding like a child please?

Only when I see something from you that's worth my time and that's not filled with kiddie BS and biased opinions just because you find the quarians to be boring.

I find the geth to be quite interesting too, but the way people portray them to be more innocent than children and victimized them at the same time in this thread is just silly and unrealistic.

Yeah. I used to like the geth untill I came to this thread. I would have played one or two playthroughs taking the geths side(if its possible). Now they are completely f*cked.

[xXljoshlXx]

S.A.K wrote...

Yeah. I used to like the geth untill I came to this thread. I would have played one or two playthroughs taking the geths side(if its possible). Now they are completely f*cked.

That is pretty dumb you don't a like them because of a portion of its fanbase...?

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 14 août 2011 - 04:08 .