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[CMDR Locke]

Ryzaki wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

You're ignoring all the valid reasons not to choose Geth?  That you're basing your opinions off conversation with "one" mobile platform.  You're taking that Geth as 100 true, accurate and gospel.

Paragon Shepard won't let one sentient machine race, destroy the Quarians just to stop another sentient machine race.  It's funny how you're on the Geth side but totally cool with destroying the Reapers.

Oh there's reasons to pick either side. 

My only issue is those trying to say the other side is "wrong". Then you're just being stupid. There's perfectly valid reasons to pick either side or both or to tell them both to screw off. Trying to cry "OMG but they're robots!!111! The quarians are lilly white and innocent and have done nothing wrong to the geth ever!" is equaly as facepalm worth to me as the "OMG! The Geth are lilly white and innocent! They're poor widdle innocent robots that were persecuted by the evil Quarians and had no choice in their actions!!!" 

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

[Clonedzero]

its just a bit crazy this has gone on so long and people havent really realized the entire point of the quarian vs. geth argument is that there is no clear "right answer". neither side is innocent, and neither side is completely guilty.

yet people liek "someone with mass" take the entire thing so personally they will insult people on the internet. seems real mature. sometimes BSN disgusts me.

it was supposed to be a thread about a debate over the quarian and geth debate, yet some people have taken to petty insults.

[CMDR Locke]

Clonedzero wrote...

its just a bit crazy this has gone on so long and people havent really realized the entire point of the quarian vs. geth argument is that there is no clear "right answer". neither side is innocent, and neither side is completely guilty.

yet people liek "someone with mass" take the entire thing so personally they will insult people on the internet. seems real mature. sometimes BSN disgusts me.

it was supposed to be a thread about a debate over the quarian and geth debate, yet some people have taken to petty insults.

But, not you, correct?

[ThanesSniper]

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

STILL?!?! Where did you hear that they STILL attack every organic? So now the Quarians are innocent but the Geth are still evil right? Careful, your bias is showing.

[Rogue Unit]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

You're ignoring all the valid reasons not to choose Geth?  That you're basing your opinions off conversation with "one" mobile platform.  You're taking that Geth as 100 true, accurate and gospel.

Paragon Shepard won't let one sentient machine race, destroy the Quarians just to stop another sentient machine race.  It's funny how you're on the Geth side but totally cool with destroying the Reapers.

Oh there's reasons to pick either side. 

My only issue is those trying to say the other side is "wrong". Then you're just being stupid. There's perfectly valid reasons to pick either side or both or to tell them both to screw off. Trying to cry "OMG but they're robots!!111! The quarians are lilly white and innocent and have done nothing wrong to the geth ever!" is equaly as facepalm worth to me as the "OMG! The Geth are lilly white and innocent! They're poor widdle innocent robots that were persecuted by the evil Quarians and had no choice in their actions!!!" 

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

Besides testing weapons on them.

[Ryzaki]

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

 

...The heretics you mean? Of course. It's not like he shows you a heretic base or anything.  

They are all Geth. Just like all Quarians are quarians. That doesn't mean they all share the same opinions. If a certain group of humans were attacking people of a certain race you certainly wouldn't blame all of humanity for that. 

And sure Rael Zorah (however the hell you spell his name) did nothing at all to the Geth. Nope. Quarians are pure as spring daises. :innocent:

And the Geth do obviously have differences in opinion. The heretics and True Geth as well as the geth programs within Legion. (they seem evenly divided on blow them up/brainwash them) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 août 2011 - 04:45 .

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...
i have yet to see a post of yours that isnt insulting, childish, or posting a ridiculous straw man argument. so you tell me, why should i act like you're actually contributing to the thread at all?

also you seem painfully unaware of your own bias in this argument. yet you seem to constantly call people out on being "legion fanboys" when you're sporting a tali banner? it seems a tad bit hypocritical dont you think?

honestly, you're calling ME stupid after all this? it seems laughable.

And what are you doing right now?

I am aware that I am biased. It's just that nobody has approached me with anything that makes me think "Hmm, yes. The geth had the right to do that and this."

By the way, for the amount of horse**** I've seen and taken from this forum, I don't care what you think of me. Either find me something that's debatable and not set in stone like "I know this is true" or simply don't respond to my comments.

Oh, and judging me by my banner is something I find so pathetic and low, that it's on the same level as calling me a N@zi just because I drive a Volkswagen. Go back to the sandbox with that kind of talk.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 14 août 2011 - 04:49 .

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...

yet people liek "someone with mass" take the entire thing so personally they will insult people on the internet. seems real mature. sometimes BSN disgusts me.

Hypocrisy. How nice.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 14 août 2011 - 04:47 .

[Rockworm503]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

This thread has stopped being cool.
What I'm seeing a couple of people giving valid reasons for picking the Geth and everyone else jumping down their throats for it.
"you just like LEGION LOLOLOL"
"their machines how can any person chose machines over living beings?"
Or my personal favorite "you want to justify what the Geth did."
What are the quarians gonna do when they decide to attack the Geth? Get sick on them?
Look at the bigger picture here The Reapers are coming. Its terrible what happened to the Quarians but their either going to step in line with the other races or face extinction.
Same with the Geth I'm not siding with them because Legion is cool or because the "Quarians had it coming" (stupid reason no matter how you slice it)
I'm siding with them because I don't think the Quarians are willing to put aside their differences long enough to face the Reapers. Why should they? Their just machines right? You anti Geth (at least the ones who are against them because their simply machines) are making my argument for me.

You're ignoring all the valid reasons not to choose Geth?  That you're basing your opinions off conversation with "one" mobile platform.  You're taking that Geth as 100 true, accurate and gospel.

Paragon Shepard won't let one sentient machine race, destroy the Quarians just to stop another sentient machine race.  It's funny how you're on the Geth side but totally cool with destroying the Reapers.

If I'm wrong than I'll happily side with the Quarians instead.
And what about destroying the Reapers?  Are you seriously going to sit there and suggest that the Geth are just as bad because of their past mistakes?
I thought the whole poing of the games was to destroy the Reapers.  Is it because their machines like the Geth?  I don't get what your saying

Don't bring the point of the game into the arguement.

Reapers machine sentience that has tried to kill Shepard/Citadel.  In the past has destroyed all life in the Galaxy.
Geth machine sentience that has tried to kill Shepard/Citadel.  In the past destroyed all life in a  solar system.

How do you know the Reapers don't attack organics because when they achieved sentience millenia ago their organic creators tried to terminate them.

By your own arguements  the Reapers are well within there rights to kill any organic species that threatens to become powerful enough to terminate them.  I mean Yeah the current organics didn't actually have anything to do with that, but niether did the current Quarians have anything to do with what happened to the Geth.

I'm done.
The Geth haters are just gonna continue putting words in my mouth.
I never once tried to justify what the Geth did to the Quarians.
If the best you can do is bring up a straw man that says "their machines therefore you should love the reapers too"  than I have nothing left to say to you because by your own logic than no life form can do wrong because you love the Quarians.
Pathetic attempts to make my argument look bad.
Ironic that you use the Reapers like this.  Reapers are looking to destroy all life in the galaxy.
Quarians tried to destroy all Geth.
Hmm I wonder which side is more alike..
Not really thinking this but your logic doesn't make a lick of sense and I'm just responding in kind.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 14 août 2011 - 04:52 .

[CMDR Locke]

ThanesSniper wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

STILL?!?! Where did you hear that they STILL attack every organic? So now the Quarians are innocent but the Geth are still evil right? Careful, your bias is showing.

Yes still.  2 years ago they tried to destroy the known galaxy.  They attacked the Quarian s on Haelstrom.  The recently renetworked Geth in the Migrant fleet also didn't try to use diplomacy.  So yes STILL GETH are still attacking and killing organics, oh wait....  those Geth don't count right?

[Clonedzero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And what are you doing right now?

I am aware that I am biased. It's just that nobody has approached me with anything that makes me think "Hmm, yes. The geth had the right to do that and this."

By the way, for the amount of horse**** I've seen and taken from this forum, I don't care what you think of me. Either find me something that's debatable and not set in stone like "I think this is true" or simply don't respond to my comments.

Oh, and judging me by my banner is something I find so pathetic and low, that it's on the same level as calling me a N@zi just because I drive a Volkswagen. Go back to the sandbox with that kind of talk.

wait. so calling people legion fanboys if completely cool even without any evidence to back that up. but me pointing out that you're strongly on the quarian side and have a tali fan banner in your sig isnt  relevent? really? i think thats completely relevent if you happen to constantly accuse people of being legion fanboys and only siding with the geth cus "robots are cool".

the debate has been going on for 28 pages. the entire point of the geth vs. quarians thing is that its completely morally grey. tehre is no right or wrong side to it. thats exactly what the writers had intended. do you honestly not see that?

[Clonedzero]

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

you mean like gathering samples of geth parts to study and developing a weapons against them? invading geth terrortory to get scientific data on a star?

[Rockworm503]

CMDR Locke wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

STILL?!?! Where did you hear that they STILL attack every organic? So now the Quarians are innocent but the Geth are still evil right? Careful, your bias is showing.

Yes still.  2 years ago they tried to destroy the known galaxy.  They attacked the Quarian s on Haelstrom.  The recently renetworked Geth in the Migrant fleet also didn't try to use diplomacy.  So yes STILL GETH are still attacking and killing organics, oh wait....  those Geth don't count right?

LOL I'm just imaging what goes on in your head.
*Bawk bawk* quarians good and can do no wrong Geth evil *bawk bawk*
Again your argument is saying every Geth is responsible for what other Geth do.
In that case the Quarians should still pay for what they've done because hey their all responsible for what their race did even if they weren't there.

[marshalleck]

Clonedzero wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

you mean like gathering samples of geth parts to study and developing a weapons against them? invading geth terrortory to get scientific data on a star?

Oh man, not collecting scrap and studying stars! ****ing quarians, what a bunch of jerks. Who do they think they are.

[ThanesSniper]

CMDR Locke wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

STILL?!?! Where did you hear that they STILL attack every organic? So now the Quarians are innocent but the Geth are still evil right? Careful, your bias is showing.

Yes still.  2 years ago they tried to destroy the known galaxy.  They attacked the Quarian s on Haelstrom.  The recently renetworked Geth in the Migrant fleet also didn't try to use diplomacy.  So yes STILL GETH are still attacking and killing organics, oh wait....  those Geth don't count right?

Of course they don't count, those Geth are a very small minority who have either been rewritten or wiped out. If we're judging an entire race by the actions of one cult, then I guess every single human took part in 9/11. 

[CMDR Locke]

Rockworm503 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

This thread has stopped being cool.
What I'm seeing a couple of people giving valid reasons for picking the Geth and everyone else jumping down their throats for it.
"you just like LEGION LOLOLOL"
"their machines how can any person chose machines over living beings?"
Or my personal favorite "you want to justify what the Geth did."
What are the quarians gonna do when they decide to attack the Geth? Get sick on them?
Look at the bigger picture here The Reapers are coming. Its terrible what happened to the Quarians but their either going to step in line with the other races or face extinction.
Same with the Geth I'm not siding with them because Legion is cool or because the "Quarians had it coming" (stupid reason no matter how you slice it)
I'm siding with them because I don't think the Quarians are willing to put aside their differences long enough to face the Reapers. Why should they? Their just machines right? You anti Geth (at least the ones who are against them because their simply machines) are making my argument for me.

You're ignoring all the valid reasons not to choose Geth?  That you're basing your opinions off conversation with "one" mobile platform.  You're taking that Geth as 100 true, accurate and gospel.

Paragon Shepard won't let one sentient machine race, destroy the Quarians just to stop another sentient machine race.  It's funny how you're on the Geth side but totally cool with destroying the Reapers.

If I'm wrong than I'll happily side with the Quarians instead.
And what about destroying the Reapers?  Are you seriously going to sit there and suggest that the Geth are just as bad because of their past mistakes?
I thought the whole poing of the games was to destroy the Reapers.  Is it because their machines like the Geth?  I don't get what your saying

Don't bring the point of the game into the arguement.

Reapers machine sentience that has tried to kill Shepard/Citadel.  In the past has destroyed all life in the Galaxy.
Geth machine sentience that has tried to kill Shepard/Citadel.  In the past destroyed all life in a  solar system.

How do you know the Reapers don't attack organics because when they achieved sentience millenia ago their organic creators tried to terminate them.

By your own arguements  the Reapers are well within there rights to kill any organic species that threatens to become powerful enough to terminate them.  I mean Yeah the current organics didn't actually have anything to do with that, but niether did the current Quarians have anything to do with what happened to the Geth.

I'm done.
The Geth haters are just gonna continue putting words in my mouth.
I never once tried to justify what the Geth did to the Quarians.
If the best you can do is bring up a straw man that says "their machines therefore you should love the reapers too"  than I have nothing left to say to you because by your own logic than no life form can do wrong because you love the Quarians.
Pathetic attempts to make my argument look bad.
Ironic that you use the Reapers like this.  Reapers are looking to destroy all life in the galaxy.
Quarians tried to destroy all Geth.
Hmm I wonder which side is more alike..
Not really thinking this but your logic doesn't make a lick of sense and I'm just responding in kind.

So I've noticed this "strawman" crap that I've never seen on any other forum gets played a ton on this one.  I think it's current use here though means "OMG someone said something I can deny/explain so I'm gonna stick my fingers in my ears and lalalala"

Of course I'm trying to make your arguements look bad, while supporting my own.  That's the point of arguements.

Yes Reapers are trying to destroy all life.  

Yes Quarian tried to destroy all Geth.  (But I still see nothing wrong with this.)

Yes Geth destroyed all of the Quarian minus the 1% or less that managed to escape.  They are still pretty much destroyed.

[marshalleck]

Rockworm503 wrote...

In that case the Quarians should still pay for what they've done because hey their all responsible for what their race did even if they weren't there.

Cool. So you're reporting to the nearest prison to serve a life sentence for the recent mass-murders in Norway, right?

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...
wait. so calling people legion fanboys if completely cool even without any evidence to back that up. but me pointing out that you're strongly on the quarian side and have a tali fan banner in your sig isnt  relevent? really? i think thats completely relevent if you happen to constantly accuse people of being legion fanboys and only siding with the geth cus "robots are cool".

the debate has been going on for 28 pages. the entire point of the geth vs. quarians thing is that its completely morally grey. tehre is no right or wrong side to it. thats exactly what the writers had intended. do you honestly not see that?

I did that once to one person. That's not "constantly". 

Morally grey? Yeah...just as morally grey it was to rewrite or destroy the heretic geth. Or destroying/sparing the Collector base. Or choosing between saving the genophage or getting rid of it. They're all morally grey.

[Rogue Unit]

CMDR Locke wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

STILL?!?! Where did you hear that they STILL attack every organic? So now the Quarians are innocent but the Geth are still evil right? Careful, your bias is showing.

Yes still.  2 years ago they tried to destroy the known galaxy.  They attacked the Quarian s on Haelstrom.  The recently renetworked Geth in the Migrant fleet also didn't try to use diplomacy.  So yes STILL GETH are still attacking and killing organics, oh wait....  those Geth don't count right?

Yes, because those Geth on the Migrant Fleet had no reason to attack those Quarians. And Tali and her crew invaded Geth territory so yes, they were attacked. They knew it would happen for the minute they decided to go into Geth territory.

Both sides don't trust each other and with good reasons on both ends.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 14 août 2011 - 05:00 .

[S.A.K]

[Clonedzero]

CMDR Locke wrote...

So I've noticed this "strawman" crap that I've never seen on any other forum gets played a ton on this one.  I think it's current use here though means "OMG someone said something I can deny/explain so I'm gonna stick my fingers in my ears and lalalala"

Of course I'm trying to make your arguements look bad, while supporting my own.  That's the point of arguements.

Yes Reapers are trying to destroy all life.  

Yes Quarian tried to destroy all Geth.  (But I still see nothing wrong with this.)

Yes Geth destroyed all of the Quarian minus the 1% or less that managed to escape.  They are still pretty much destroyed.

im not sure you understand what a straw man is.

[Ryzaki]

marshalleck wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

In that case the Quarians should still pay for what they've done because hey their all responsible for what their race did even if they weren't there.

Cool. So you're reporting to the nearest prison to serve a life sentence for the recent mass-murders in Norway, right?

How utterly tasteless. 

There are people who were personally affect by that **** you know. Have some ****ing class. 

[CMDR Locke]

ThanesSniper wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

The current existing Quarians have done NOTHING wrong to the Geth.  Yet the Geth still attack every Organic race across the Galaxy.  Yes there is one Geth Mobile Platform glaiming those Geth aren't the same, but that same Geth says also that all Geth are just geth.

STILL?!?! Where did you hear that they STILL attack every organic? So now the Quarians are innocent but the Geth are still evil right? Careful, your bias is showing.

Yes still.  2 years ago they tried to destroy the known galaxy.  They attacked the Quarian s on Haelstrom.  The recently renetworked Geth in the Migrant fleet also didn't try to use diplomacy.  So yes STILL GETH are still attacking and killing organics, oh wait....  those Geth don't count right?

Of course they don't count, those Geth are a very small minority who have either been rewritten or wiped out. If we're judging an entire race by the actions of one cult, then I guess every single human took part in 9/11. 

Who said they don't count?  Another Geth?  Oh right cause Geth are always truthful, never lie, and have never done anything to warrant not trusting them.

Not every single Human no.  But, according to my Government every single Taliban member is to blame.  Even the ones not directly involved.  Or that weren't members when it happened.

I'm simply saying Legion could be lying and to formulate an entire opinion based on what he says is silly.

[marshalleck]

Ryzaki wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

In that case the Quarians should still pay for what they've done because hey their all responsible for what their race did even if they weren't there.

Cool. So you're reporting to the nearest prison to serve a life sentence for the recent mass-murders in Norway, right?

How utterly tasteless. 

There are people who were personally affect by that **** you know. Have some ****ing class. 

Yes, I know. Someone somewhere was affected by any crime I could have referred to. 

[Clonedzero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
wait. so calling people legion fanboys if completely cool even without any evidence to back that up. but me pointing out that you're strongly on the quarian side and have a tali fan banner in your sig isnt  relevent? really? i think thats completely relevent if you happen to constantly accuse people of being legion fanboys and only siding with the geth cus "robots are cool".

the debate has been going on for 28 pages. the entire point of the geth vs. quarians thing is that its completely morally grey. tehre is no right or wrong side to it. thats exactly what the writers had intended. do you honestly not see that?

I did that once to one person. That's not "constantly". 

Morally grey? Yeah...just as morally grey it was to rewrite or destroy the heretic geth. Or destroying/sparing the Collector base. Or choosing between saving the genophage or getting rid of it. They're all morally grey.

without any sense of metagaming. can you tell me the good or negative results of any of those? you can't.
they are morally grey. thats the point.

this entire thread has fallen apart the last 10 or so pages. its just "my shade of grey is better than yours". do you really not see that?