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[Kasai666]

Even if there is a choice for peace, I will still side with the Geth. They acted in self defense when one quarian acted rashly.The geth killed the quarians in self-defense. Which is why I hate all quarians.

[Someone With Mass]

bobobo878 wrote...
The way I see it, organisms are just glorified machines themselves so there is no moral difference.  Both sides still seem to possess genocidal intentions so i feel inclined to help neither. However, both the Quarians and the Geth seem determined to go to war, so who am I to deny them that?

The geth really aren't in favor of a war, and the quarians see a war as their last option to retake their worlds before they die out completely.

I like to think they are open to alternatives, as many other factions have been throughout the Mass Effect games. To think that they all are hellbent on a war that will just lead to more deaths is just stupid.

[Someone With Mass]

Kasai666 wrote...

Even if there is a choice for peace, I will still side with the Geth. They acted in self defense when one quarian acted rashly.The geth killed the quarians in self-defense. Which is why I hate all quarians.

The turians reacted according to Citadel laws when the humans tried to open up a forbidden relay. The turians acted according to their rules. Which is why I hate all humans.

Yeah. Sounds stupid when I put it like that, doesn't it?

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 12 août 2011 - 07:33 .

[Nerevar-as]

If the Quarians start then I´ll help the Geth. If after 300 years they still haven´t learned the lesson about enslaving and/or genocide another sapient race (whatever its origin) they deserve what they get. With some luck it won´t come to that or we´ll be able to deal with those two admirals and put Qwib Qwib in charge.

[legion999]

Kasai666 wrote...

Even if there is a choice for peace, I will still side with the Geth. They acted in self defense when one quarian acted rashly.The geth killed the quarians in self-defense. Which is why I hate all quarians.

The Quarians who acted rashly are dead. Hating the entire species for it is a bit OTT is it not?

[ObserverStatus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
The way I see it, organisms are just glorified machines themselves so there is no moral difference.  Both sides still seem to possess genocidal intentions so i feel inclined to help neither. However, both the Quarians and the Geth seem determined to go to war, so who am I to deny them that?

The geth really aren't in favor of a war, and the quarians see a war as their last option to retake their worlds before they die out completely.

I like to think they are open to alternatives, as many other factions have been throughout the Mass Effect games. To think that they all are hellbent on a war that will just lead to more deaths is just stupid.

Well they claim that they don't want to, but they seem to believe that they have to. They have come to see their creators as an existential threat to their race.

[Someone With Mass]

legion999 wrote...
I worded that very poorly. What I meant is the Geth simply want to be left alone. The Quarians either want to enslave them, attack them or make peace with them. Yes the Quarians aren't responsible for what happened three hundred years ago but 66% of their options involve repeating what the Quarians three hundred years ago did.

Then just convince them that it's wrong. As Shepard has done countless times. There. Done.

Jesus Christ, some people here can't think outside the beaten path at all.

[Kasai666]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kasai666 wrote...

Even if there is a choice for peace, I will still side with the Geth. They acted in self defense when one quarian acted rashly.The geth killed the quarians in self-defense. Which is why I hate all quarians.

The turians reacted according to Citadel laws when the humans tried to open up a forbidden relay. The turians acted according to their rules. Which is why I hate all humans.

Yeah.

Worded poorly. The majority of the geth want peace, but the majority of the quarians want to kill all the geth. One quarians made the mistake by trying to kill the geth that asked if it had a soul. The geth fought back because they wanted to survive, not kill all the quarians out of spite. 

[Nerevar-as]

Kasai666 wrote...

Even if there is a choice for peace, I will still side with the Geth. They acted in self defense when one quarian acted rashly.The geth killed the quarians in self-defense. Which is why I hate all quarians.

One quarian? It seems more likely the deactivation order was made by the whole goverment.

[didymos1120]

Kasai666 wrote...

One quarians made the mistake by trying to kill the geth that asked if it had a soul.

That's not what happened.  You need to go listen to Legion again and Tali in ME1.

[Kasai666]

didymos1120 wrote...

Kasai666 wrote...

One quarians made the mistake by trying to kill the geth that asked if it had a soul.

That's not what happened.  You need to go listen to Legion again and Tali in ME1.

One quarian overreacted. 

[DJRackham]

I'm sorry, but if my toaster asked me if it had a soul, you better believe I'd be trying to yank it's power cord out of the wall socket in a big hurry.

[Someone With Mass]

Kasai666 wrote...
Worded poorly. The majority of the geth want peace, but the majority of the quarians want to kill all the geth. One quarians made the mistake by trying to kill the geth that asked if it had a soul. The geth fought back because they wanted to survive, not kill all the quarians out of spite. 

Or not.

[Kasai666]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kasai666 wrote...
Worded poorly. The majority of the geth want peace, but the majority of the quarians want to kill all the geth. One quarians made the mistake by trying to kill the geth that asked if it had a soul. The geth fought back because they wanted to survive, not kill all the quarians out of spite. 

Or not.

Exactly my point. It was the first time one got worried when asked. One quarian started the war. 

[Someone With Mass]

DJRackham wrote...

I'm sorry, but if my toaster asked me if it had a soul, you better believe I'd be trying to yank it's power cord out of the wall socket in a big hurry.

That's pretty much what happened. The quarians used the geth as tools, and suddenly the tools started to talk about souls and their purpose in life. Anyone would be a little scared of that. The quarians reacted irrationally, but that doesn't make them all bad. They probably knew if that the word got out that they'd created a sentient machine, they'd lose their embassy on the Citadel. Which wouldn't be good at all for them.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I would say I'd side with the Quarians because they are living beings but they were the ones that started the war. They are the reason the Geth became hostile. According to Legion the Geth do not seek to harm organics they seek to better themselves. The Quarians don't even think that there is a chance of peace because they won't listen to reason. The Geth maybe just machine but they have more common sense then the Quarians. Geth all the way!!!

[Someone With Mass]

Kasai666 wrote...
Exactly my point. It was the first time one got worried when asked. One quarian started the war.

If you really think that one quarian makes the decision that affects their entire society, then I'm going to say:

[didymos1120]

Kasai666 wrote...


Exactly my point. It was the first time one got worried when asked. One quarian started the war. 

This is an absurd notion.  That quarian was just some random low-level supervisor. The idea that she had any say in how things went after she said "Hey, this one unit kinda weirded me out today" is silly. The decision would not have been hers to make. 

[LGTX]

The geth wouldn't work out a 100%-probability of Creator hostility because of ONE quarian.

If I had to choose in ME3, I'd choose the geth. Less unpredictable, more loyal to simple logics and much more moral than any other race.

I strongly favor peace, but if I miss the opportunity, I'll choose the geth.

[Gravity Bun]

Geth.
Never liked the Quarians really.

[didymos1120]

Kasai666 wrote...

One quarian overreacted. 

How so?  She got weirded out because the Geth weren't supposed to exhibit behavior like that.  They weren't designed to achieve sentience.  And for good reason: it was illegal even back then.  And though I'm sure it'll just get ignored like it always does: the quarians didn't think they were truly sentient yet when they issued the shutdown order.  They believed they were dangerously close and hoped to prevent it.

[azerSheppard]

DJRackham wrote...

I'm sorry, but if my toaster asked me if it had a soul, you better believe I'd be trying to yank it's power cord out of the wall socket in a big hurry.

Toaster? i don't think you comprehend the purpose of A.I.


The Quarians got what they deserved, if attacked you must retaliate or perish, it was survival. If peace is an option i'll go with that, otherwise, i'm with the Geth. Not only are they the "innocent" party, they also possess a far greater potentian than the Quarians. If they succeed in uniting into a single platform, it would be interesting to see if they reach an intelligence explosion, resulting in the creation of Reapers, a lifeform beyond comprehension.

It's not an actual explosion, just adding that, you wouldn't know how coocooo some people on the forum are.



 And though I'm sure it'll just get ignored like it always does: the quarians didn't think they were truly sentient yet when they issued the shutdown order.  They believed they were dangerously close and hoped to prevent it.

Any creature questioning their reason of existance is sentient. Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive or be conscious, or to have subjective experiences.

Even if they weren't sentient, they where sapient due to their philosophical reasoning, total annihilation of a sentient race is genocide.

Modifié par azerSheppard, 12 août 2011 - 08:09 .

[Pulletlamer]

Kasai666 wrote...

One quarian overreacted. 

It's funny you say so. What would you think if your Robodog suddenly asked you if he has a soul? <_<

I don't consider that was overeacting.

Geth are machines. They are not supposed to ask that kind of questions. Of course that quarian got frightened. I would also.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

How so?  She got weirded out because the Geth weren't supposed to exhibit behavior like that.  They weren't designed to achieve sentience.  And for good reason: it was illegal even back then.  And though I'm sure it'll just get ignored like it always does: the quarians didn't think they were truly sentient yet when they issued the shutdown order.  They believed they were dangerously close and hoped to prevent it.

But nooo. The quarians overreacted and they deserve to all die because of one mistake.

The humans, on the other hand, they can screw around with AIs and other Citadel laws how much they want with little to no consequences.

[Someone With Mass]

azerSheppard wrote...

Toaster? i don't think you comprehend the purpose of A.I.

The geth aren't even AIs.

They are VIs.