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[Clonedzero]

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

[CMDR Locke]

azerSheppard wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Kal'Reeger to Shepard "I don't want to alarm you, but you have a Geth standing right behind you."

Yup Quarians shoot first and never think about anything other than shooting Geth. And, this was on a planet where herp derp they're all fighting Geth.

oh. i didnt know this thread was about kal'reeger

I didn't know it was about Legion either but it's cool we use him to argue for the Geth?  But god forbid we use Quarians to prove they're not all shoot first genocidal maniacs and I get this reply?

Legion = The Geth
Kal Reeger =/= The Quarians


Any consensus Legion reaches would be very much the same the other platform would reach given the same data. If need be he can ftl com and reach a consensus with more platforms containing get.

Legion does not = the entire Geth.  It is approx 1500 seperate programs used to make a single entity.  And those 1500 programs could not come to a consensus on whether killing all the Geth that think differently or brainwashing them was the right thing to do.

But, oh hey lets side with an entire "race" cause Legion is teh kool and wares urz ole armor herp derp!

[Goneaviking]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

randomchasegurney wrote...

So all the quarians were punished 300 years later (correct me if I'm wrong) their children are still being punished.
What I gather from this is...
[snip]
Council are guilty of punishing an entire race for the crimes of the few (who are also long dead) and should now have given a chance for quarians to recover.

Quarians aren't being punished, and the Council never punished all the quarians they simply evicted them from their embassy.

When Shepard suggests resettling to Tali she rejects it out of hand, she'd rather throw her entire species into a war they can't win than accept that they have some responsibility for their situation. No one stopped them from resettling, they've had centuries to find a habitable planet and make it their own but haven't done it... given that humanity has done it multiple times in the space of a generation suggests that it's an option they've specifically refused to consider.

Humans didn't need to spend 600 years acclimizing to a new homeworld like the Quarian would.  Tali explains this as well.

So had the Quarians found a new homeworld on day one of their exile they'd still need 300 more years before it'd habitable really.  Yeah that's a hell of a choice.  America isn't even 300 years old yet.

They could have resettled before their immune system collapsed, but they chose not to.

600 years to acclimatise sucks, but eternity in extinction isn't much of an improvement. Especially since it's a war they don't have to start.

There's also the part where 60 vs 600 years seems like an overgeneralised guess to me. What points does she list that they would reacclimate to their old world any faster than they'd adapt to a new world ... after all no quarian has breathed the air of their homeworld in generations and it ignores treatments and the possibility of medical advancements that they're implicitly turning their backs on.

[DialupToaster]

Clonedzero wrote...

randomchasegurney wrote...

Btw Reapers have a geth hack ready to go anyway that would control all geth and allow for the geth to remain as good a combat as ever. Just thought to point it out.

no they dont. sovereign did. probably because he's been active in the galaxy the last couple hundred years preparing for his rush on the citadel. he gave the hack to the heretic geth, then he died. then we kill / reprogram the heretic geth and delete the hack.

so i dunno why the other reapers would have a hack like that randomly unless sovereign like...emailed it to them? i dunno lol

You mean reapers don't have internet? They are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY behind us lol!

[Clonedzero]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Kal'Reeger to Shepard "I don't want to alarm you, but you have a Geth standing right behind you."

Yup Quarians shoot first and never think about anything other than shooting Geth. And, this was on a planet where herp derp they're all fighting Geth.

oh. i didnt know this thread was about kal'reeger

I didn't know it was about Legion either but it's cool we use him to argue for the Geth?  But god forbid we use Quarians to prove they're not all shoot first genocidal maniacs and I get this reply?

legion has been our only communication with the peaceful geth.

kal'reeger is a single soldier with no political power at all.

you'd be better off using koris as an example.

How do we know Legion has any political power?  How do we know the Geth can come to a conesus pertaining to peace?  Why would ANY RATIONAL human ever take the opinion of ONE :sentient: over the opinion of MILLIONS of sentients?

People that play Mass Effect are completely biased.  They choose Geth because of the inclusion of ONE mobile platform that they think is cool.  The Quarian are much better fleshed out, as a race than the Geth are.  In fact playing Mass Effect I have killed hundreds of Geth, and ZERO Quarian.

Yet One Geth shows up wearing my old armor and kills 2 husks and I should believe everything it tells me?

Come on people, you can't be this stupid.

legion is over a thousand geth in one mobile platform.

[azerSheppard]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Legion does not = the entire Geth.  It is approx 1500 seperate programs used to make a single entity.  And those 1500 programs could not come to a consensus on whether killing all the Geth that think differently or brainwashing them was the right thing to do.

But, oh hey lets side with an entire "race" cause Legion is teh kool and wares urz ole armor herp derp!

1500 to 1, I still win.

problem?

[Someone With Mass]

Skullheart wrote...

Tali shooted Legion >_<



And she shoots inside the ship when you side with Legion....

Yeah, because no-one else would shoot at a geth when they have an entire geth platoon kocking on the door after it killed their entire team.<_<

I swear, people are using anything as an excuse these days without even thinking about it. Or at all.

And oh, Tali shot the inside of the ship with a pistol. Big whoop. The same ship is getting ripped apart by debris and Oculus not long after that.

[CMDR Locke]

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

It takes 1500 approx to form one entity equaling a sentient mind.  Assume 1 million per space station and what 100 stations?  Hell I'll give you 1 billion.

1,000,000,000 / 1500 =  666,666.66 repeating.

17 million > 666,666.66

[Clonedzero]

CMDR Locke wrote...



Legion does not = the entire Geth.  It is approx 1500 seperate programs used to make a single entity.  And those 1500 programs could not come to a consensus on whether killing all the Geth that think differently or brainwashing them was the right thing to do.

But, oh hey lets side with an entire "race" cause Legion is teh kool and wares urz ole armor herp derp!

well if you wanna be immature like this.

oh hey, lets side with an entire race cause tali is the cutez and i likez her herp derp!

[azerSheppard]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

It takes 1500 approx to form one entity equaling a sentient mind.  Assume 1 million per space station and what 100 stations?  Hell I'll give you 1 billion.

1,000,000,000 / 1500 =  666,666.66 repeating.

17 million > 666,666.66

You suck at math, Geth intelligence increased exponetially with their numbers, not linearly. fail. 

Otherwise they can't achieve the so called tech singularity the "dyson sphere" is supposed to bring.

[CMDR Locke]

Clonedzero wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...



Legion does not = the entire Geth.  It is approx 1500 seperate programs used to make a single entity.  And those 1500 programs could not come to a consensus on whether killing all the Geth that think differently or brainwashing them was the right thing to do.

But, oh hey lets side with an entire "race" cause Legion is teh kool and wares urz ole armor herp derp!

well if you wanna be immature like this.

oh hey, lets side with an entire race cause tali is the cutez and i likez her herp derp!

If I only had met Tali sure.  But, I met Kal-Reegor, Veetor, The team with Tali to get Veetor, the entire Admiralty board.  Tali's father,  The quarian on Omega, the Quarian on Citadel.  Random Quarian with thoughts and fears on the flotilla.

I have met ONE GETH that speaks.  Yup lets side with him!

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

Big whoop.

They're useless without bodies.

Legion consists of 1183 of those geth programs alone. And not all of them are inside geth platforms all the time.
Also:
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Charoum

If that's their main fleet...meh.

[Clonedzero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

Big whoop.

They're useless without bodies.

Legion consists of 1183 of those geth programs alone. And not all of them are inside geth platforms all the time.
Also:
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Charoum

If that's their main fleet...meh.

between 5,000 and 10,000 ships is "meh"?
it only took a couple dozen to take out the fleet at the citadel lol i'd say thats alot better than "meh".

plus, are you saying self-aware conciousness isnt worth saving if they dont have their own bodies?

[CMDR Locke]

azerSheppard wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

It takes 1500 approx to form one entity equaling a sentient mind.  Assume 1 million per space station and what 100 stations?  Hell I'll give you 1 billion.

1,000,000,000 / 1500 =  666,666.66 repeating.

17 million > 666,666.66

You suck at math, Geth intelligence increased exponetially with their numbers, not linearly. fail. 

Otherwise they can't achieve the so called tech singularity the "dyson sphere" is supposed to bring.

My math does not fail.  If you take 1 Quarian, and 1 Geth and put them in a room and watch them.  Tjhe Quarian will do what Quarian do.  The Geth will drool digitally and do ONLY what it's software says because a single Geth is not a sentient creature.  They are only sentient as a group.  I have been saying 1500 but I think it's closer to 1100 in Legion.  It takes 1100 Geth to be able to act like Legion and have "No Data Avilable" for simple concepts like "Why did you use my armor, and not repair it sooner with something else?"  I would have an answer to that.  "Had no time, no proper things to repair it with.  Think you're awesome and wanted to wear your armor."  What's Legion's answer?  "No Data Available"  that alone shows it lacks true sentience, or the ability to think outside of it's programs.

When Tali and Legion have their Mexican standoff Legion doesn't even seem like he cares.  It takes Shepard saying "If humans blah I'd tell the alliance" and she replies "I know"  showing that even now the Quarian consider them rogue programs.

[lokiarchetype]

According to Legion, the Geth want peace and have been maintaining the homeworld for the Quarians' return. The Quarians could peacefully resettle their homeworld without any issue as long as they were willing to leave the Geth alone.

That, in addition to the fact that the Morning War was the Quarians fault means that supporting the Geth is the only ethical option to me. The situation is entirely on the Quarians. If there is war, it's because the Quarians wanted war.

When it all comes down to it, the reason they lost the homeworld is their own fault and the reason they haven't resettled it is their own fault. 
If they tried to approach the situation diplomatically at any juncture it would've been over by now.  The quarians position is essentially "We tried to murder you and you killed us which forced us to retreat from our home!... When we try to murder you to take back our home, you kill us again!"  Uh, duh?  Stop forcing them to defend themselves against you.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 12 août 2011 - 10:52 .

[azerSheppard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

Big whoop.

They're useless without bodies.

Legion consists of 1183 of those geth programs alone. And not all of them are inside geth platforms all the time.
Also:
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Charoum

If that's their main fleet...meh.

It's not their main fleet, it's the one that moves around that area. Meaning they have several ones, the main fleet will probably be near the quarian homeworld, not on, near it. It would be guarding the Mega platform their creating that can handle all geth at once.

[legion999]

CMDR Locke wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

Then why does Legion donate money to Eden Prime? I doubt the Geth have a give to charity program.

It takes 1500 approx to form one entity equaling a sentient mind.  Assume 1 million per space station and what 100 stations?  Hell I'll give you 1 billion.

1,000,000,000 / 1500 =  666,666.66 repeating.

17 million > 666,666.66

You suck at math, Geth intelligence increased exponetially with their numbers, not linearly. fail. 

Otherwise they can't achieve the so called tech singularity the "dyson sphere" is supposed to bring.

My math does not fail.  If you take 1 Quarian, and 1 Geth and put them in a room and watch them.  Tjhe Quarian will do what Quarian do.  The Geth will drool digitally and do ONLY what it's software says because a single Geth is not a sentient creature.  They are only sentient as a group.  I have been saying 1500 but I think it's closer to 1100 in Legion.  It takes 1100 Geth to be able to act like Legion and have "No Data Avilable" for simple concepts like "Why did you use my armor, and not repair it sooner with something else?"  I would have an answer to that.  "Had no time, no proper things to repair it with.  Think you're awesome and wanted to wear your armor."  What's Legion's answer?  "No Data Available"  that alone shows it lacks true sentience, or the ability to think outside of it's programs.

When Tali and Legion have their Mexican standoff Legion doesn't even seem like he cares.  It takes Shepard saying "If humans blah I'd tell the alliance" and she replies "I know"  showing that even now the Quarian consider them rogue programs.

Then why did Legion donate money to Eden Prime?

Modifié par legion999, 12 août 2011 - 10:50 .

[CMDR Locke]

lokiarchetype wrote...

According to Legion, the Geth want peace and have been maintaining the homeworld for the Quarians' return. The Quarians could peacefully resettle their homeworld without any issue as long as they were willing to leave the Geth alone.

That, in addition to the fact that the Morning War was the Quarians fault means that supporting the Geth is the only ethical option to me. The situation is entirely on the Quarians. If there is war, it's because the Quarians wanted war.

When it all comes down to it, the reason they lost the homeworld is their own fault and the reasont they haven't resettled it is their own fault.  If they tried to approach the situation diplomatically it would've been over by now.

I must make a choice.  I have to either kill the www.google.com or every blue eyes human on Earth.  Hurry choose.

[CMDR Locke]

legion999 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

Then why does Legion donate money to Eden Prime? I doubt the Geth have a give to charity program.

It takes 1500 approx to form one entity equaling a sentient mind.  Assume 1 million per space station and what 100 stations?  Hell I'll give you 1 billion.

1,000,000,000 / 1500 =  666,666.66 repeating.

17 million > 666,666.66

You suck at math, Geth intelligence increased exponetially with their numbers, not linearly. fail. 

Otherwise they can't achieve the so called tech singularity the "dyson sphere" is supposed to bring.

My math does not fail.  If you take 1 Quarian, and 1 Geth and put them in a room and watch them.  Tjhe Quarian will do what Quarian do.  The Geth will drool digitally and do ONLY what it's software says because a single Geth is not a sentient creature.  They are only sentient as a group.  I have been saying 1500 but I think it's closer to 1100 in Legion.  It takes 1100 Geth to be able to act like Legion and have "No Data Avilable" for simple concepts like "Why did you use my armor, and not repair it sooner with something else?"  I would have an answer to that.  "Had no time, no proper things to repair it with.  Think you're awesome and wanted to wear your armor."  What's Legion's answer?  "No Data Available"  that alone shows it lacks true sentience, or the ability to think outside of it's programs.

When Tali and Legion have their Mexican standoff Legion doesn't even seem like he cares.  It takes Shepard saying "If humans blah I'd tell the alliance" and she replies "I know"  showing that even now the Quarian consider them rogue programs.

Then why did Legion donate money to Eden Prime?

How did legion get money to donate?

[legion999]

CMDR Locke wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

According to Legion, the Geth want peace and have been maintaining the homeworld for the Quarians' return. The Quarians could peacefully resettle their homeworld without any issue as long as they were willing to leave the Geth alone.

That, in addition to the fact that the Morning War was the Quarians fault means that supporting the Geth is the only ethical option to me. The situation is entirely on the Quarians. If there is war, it's because the Quarians wanted war.

When it all comes down to it, the reason they lost the homeworld is their own fault and the reasont they haven't resettled it is their own fault.  If they tried to approach the situation diplomatically it would've been over by now.

I must make a choice.  I have to either kill the www.google.com or every blue eyes human on Earth.  Hurry choose.

What?

[CMDR Locke]

legion999 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

According to Legion, the Geth want peace and have been maintaining the homeworld for the Quarians' return. The Quarians could peacefully resettle their homeworld without any issue as long as they were willing to leave the Geth alone.

That, in addition to the fact that the Morning War was the Quarians fault means that supporting the Geth is the only ethical option to me. The situation is entirely on the Quarians. If there is war, it's because the Quarians wanted war.

When it all comes down to it, the reason they lost the homeworld is their own fault and the reasont they haven't resettled it is their own fault.  If they tried to approach the situation diplomatically it would've been over by now.

I must make a choice.  I have to either kill the www.google.com or every blue eyes human on Earth.  Hurry choose.

What?

I must either destroy a computer program that gets smarter the more networks that it's connected with, or blue eyed humans.  Hurry choose.

[Clonedzero]

CMDR Locke wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

According to Legion, the Geth want peace and have been maintaining the homeworld for the Quarians' return. The Quarians could peacefully resettle their homeworld without any issue as long as they were willing to leave the Geth alone.

That, in addition to the fact that the Morning War was the Quarians fault means that supporting the Geth is the only ethical option to me. The situation is entirely on the Quarians. If there is war, it's because the Quarians wanted war.

When it all comes down to it, the reason they lost the homeworld is their own fault and the reasont they haven't resettled it is their own fault.  If they tried to approach the situation diplomatically it would've been over by now.

I must make a choice.  I have to either kill the www.google.com or every blue eyes human on Earth.  Hurry choose.

straw man.

[Someone With Mass]

Clonedzero wrote...
between 5,000 and 10,000 ships is "meh"?
it only took a couple dozen to take out the fleet at the citadel lol i'd say thats alot better than "meh".

plus, are you saying self-aware conciousness isnt worth saving if they dont have their own bodies?

Considering that the Arcturus fleet alone took out the geth fleet with minimal casualties in a matter of seconds, yeah. It's meh.

And I'm saying that they're useless if they don't have enough bodies to back those numbers up.

I don't really care what they're doing behind the Perseus Veil.

[legion999]

CMDR Locke wrote...

legion999 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also wanna point out one more fact. if we have to pick one side to live and one to die. there is something to say about numbers.

the flotilla being the entire quarian population (aside from some on their rite of adulthood thing), is about 15-17 million, i forget which, but its one of the two.

while we dont know how many geth tehre are. there was millions on that single heretic space station alone. so its safe to assume theres billions of geth.

17 million vs. billions.

It takes 1500 approx to form one entity equaling a sentient mind.  Assume 1 million per space station and what 100 stations?  Hell I'll give you 1 billion.

1,000,000,000 / 1500 =  666,666.66 repeating.

17 million > 666,666.66

You suck at math, Geth intelligence increased exponetially with their numbers, not linearly. fail. 

Otherwise they can't achieve the so called tech singularity the "dyson sphere" is supposed to bring.

My math does not fail.  If you take 1 Quarian, and 1 Geth and put them in a room and watch them.  Tjhe Quarian will do what Quarian do.  The Geth will drool digitally and do ONLY what it's software says because a single Geth is not a sentient creature.  They are only sentient as a group.  I have been saying 1500 but I think it's closer to 1100 in Legion.  It takes 1100 Geth to be able to act like Legion and have "No Data Avilable" for simple concepts like "Why did you use my armor, and not repair it sooner with something else?"  I would have an answer to that.  "Had no time, no proper things to repair it with.  Think you're awesome and wanted to wear your armor."  What's Legion's answer?  "No Data Available"  that alone shows it lacks true sentience, or the ability to think outside of it's programs.

When Tali and Legion have their Mexican standoff Legion doesn't even seem like he cares.  It takes Shepard saying "If humans blah I'd tell the alliance" and she replies "I know"  showing that even now the Quarian consider them rogue programs.

Then why did Legion donate money to Eden Prime?

How did legion get money to donate?

No idea but he did. http://masseffect.wi...Dossiers/Legion

[legion999]

CMDR Locke wrote...

legion999 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

According to Legion, the Geth want peace and have been maintaining the homeworld for the Quarians' return. The Quarians could peacefully resettle their homeworld without any issue as long as they were willing to leave the Geth alone.

That, in addition to the fact that the Morning War was the Quarians fault means that supporting the Geth is the only ethical option to me. The situation is entirely on the Quarians. If there is war, it's because the Quarians wanted war.

When it all comes down to it, the reason they lost the homeworld is their own fault and the reasont they haven't resettled it is their own fault.  If they tried to approach the situation diplomatically it would've been over by now.

I must make a choice.  I have to either kill the www.google.com or every blue eyes human on Earth.  Hurry choose.

What?

I must either destroy a computer program that gets smarter the more networks that it's connected with, or blue eyed humans.  Hurry choose.

Alright kill google I'll use Ask Jeeves.

Modifié par legion999, 12 août 2011 - 10:57 .