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[Seboist]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

When a secret extreamist paramilitary organization is raising an army, I don't think they'll invite the rest of the galaxy to a tea party and cookies.

No. They are preparing to liberate the galaxy from the Asari-Turian fascism. Long live Chairman TIM!!!

Humans everywhere will learn that they owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to TIM and will line up to kiss his ring as if he were the Pope.

[Phaedon]

Bad King wrote...
The only reason you describe TIM as a National Socialist is because it is associated with the attrocities committed by Germany in World War 2 and thus is a way of attacking Cerberus. Had Hitler never risen to power and those attrocities had never happened, you would probably have found another label to place on Cerberus.

In other words you started it!

Yeah, I would never point out Hitler's atrocities to cause shock and horror. Some killed more than that psycho did anyway.

The fact that they are an openly violent criminal group that happens to be supremacist, is definitely enough for me to find actual support to them (and not just in roleplaying, or siding with them because it's a game, that's perfectly fine) absolutely despicable. It just happens that the very rightful thing is one of the major factors that proves the fact that these supremacy elements exist in Cerberus.

As Homeless Gal said, some people here are nuts.

[lovgreno]

I know there is at least one thing Cerberus and national socialists have in common: They are all total losers.

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

No. They are preparing to liberate the galaxy from the Asari-Turian fascism. Long live Chairman TIM!!!

Basically like this, then.

[Someone With Mass]

lovgreno wrote...

I know there is at least one thing Cerberus and national socialists have in common: They are all total losers.

Sad, but true.

[Phaedon]

lovgreno wrote...

I know there is at least one thing Cerberus and national socialists have in common: They are all total losers.

...

This happens to be 100% true.

[Maggot4everr]

Seboist wrote...

Maggot4everr wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
You know, your wishful thinking doesn't bother me.

It's the fact that it is directed at a national socialist survivalist group that believes that humans have by right, a superior position over aliens, and try to contribute to their cause by torturing children and relatives, as well as killing admirals and soldiers.

And consider the rachni an inferior race, btw.

Its also just a video game, a fictional work where one can adopt positions that do not reflect their real life views.

Well, people like Saphra really are nuts but you get my point.

Well I would like to believe most people that play Mass Effect typically play as if they were Shepard, not just pulling the Renegade interrupt for teh lulz.

I play my Shepards as if I was a fiction writer creating a character for my own story but yeah none of my Renegade decisions are for the "lulz". Even the "troll" choices I do like punching the scientist on Eden Prime and Khalisah have legit role playing reasoning behind them.

Oh indeed I do have Renegade profiles, I was just helping defend another person's idea of taking their character as if they were them.

[DarthCaine]

Hah, keep dreaming if you think BioWare will ever make such big consequences for your actions

[Zulu_DFA]

Hey, haters, have it ever occured to you that BioWare might not let you kill TIM in ME3? See, he's too valuable a character, with too much potential for future games?..

[Seboist]

DarthCaine wrote...

Hah, keep dreaming if you think BioWare will ever make such big consequences for your actions

True, some people drink too much of the PR kool aid Bioware gives out.

[legion999]

lovgreno wrote...

I know there is at least one thing Cerberus and national socialists have in common: They are all total failures.

Fixed that for you.

[lovgreno]

Phaedon wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

I know there is at least one thing Cerberus and national socialists have in common: They are all total losers.

...

This happens to be 100% true.

Think about it: In our history national socialists agendas and methods has only managed to weaken the "race" they claim to be protecting from those imagined nasty strangers. Sounds like how Failberus plans eventualy ends up to me.

[didymos1120]

Phaedon wrote...

Pro-tip: They weren't abandoned because of their intelligence (well yes, they were, but not in the way Miranda wants you to believe), it was because Cerberus treated them like animals and they surprised them and escaped.

That is irrelevant to you citing Miranda  as evidence that Cerberus currently regards them as inferior. Yeah, they did at first, because they thought the warriors were essentially just animals, but were rather fatally disabused of that notion.  Miranda simply does not address the subject of Cerberus' current views on the rachni.

If anything, the fact that she still thinks that it would be better to have them die than humans make your argument a bit self-contradictive, but whatever.

That's not what she's saying there.  She's saying "Wouldn't it be better if we really could have had mindless, pliable ass-kicking rachni warriors instead of what they turned out to be?"  She's trying to explain why they attempted to work with rachni at that time, not saying that they think doing so now is still a good idea. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 août 2011 - 10:00 .

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Hey, haters, have it ever occured to you that BioWare might not let you kill TIM in ME3? See, he's too valuable a character, with too much potential for future games?..

Yeah, he's so valuable once the Reapers are gone.

Tell me, why did he create Cerberus again? To combat the Reapers and seek human dominance?

Then I'd say he's nothing but a liability once the Reapers are dead.

[Phaedon]

didymos1120 wrote...
That is irrelevant to you citing Miranda  as evidence that Cerberus currently regards them as inferior. Yeah, they did at first, because they thought the warriors were essentially just animals, but were rather fatally disabused of that notion.  Mirand simply does not address the subject of Cerberus' current views on the rachni.

Both Miranda and the scientist state that they would have still went ahead and used them. I am sorry, but what is your point exactly?

The fact that although they discovered that their intelligence was higher than expected but still wanted to go ahead and use them as weapons does not make things better. It makes them significantly  worse.

That's not what she's saying there.  She's saying "Wouldn't it be better if we really could have had mindless, pliable ass-kicking rachni warriors?"  She's trying to explain why they attempted to work with rachni at that time, not saying that they think doing so now is still a good idea.  

So, what you are saying that Cerberus could have potentially not be racist originally, but happenned to be later on anyway? 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Hey, haters, have it ever occured to you that BioWare might not let you kill TIM in ME3? See, he's too valuable a character, with too much potential for future games?..

Or they could let Grunt curbstomp him and do something original instead of letting the enemy go til another day.

Oh.

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Hey, haters, have it ever occured to you that BioWare might not let you kill TIM in ME3? See, he's too valuable a character, with too much potential for future games?..

Or they could let Jack curbstomp him and do something original instead of letting the enemy go til another day.

Oh.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Arcian wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Hey, haters, have it ever occured to you that BioWare might not let you kill TIM in ME3? See, he's too valuable a character, with too much potential for future games?..

Oh look at this clown, he thinks they can afford Martin Sheen for future games.

TIM is living on borrowed time. Mark my words.

Marked.

I am now waiting on your 1000 word theory as to why he should DIE.

[Zulu_DFA]

The HORROR: they might not let us kill TIM.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

TIM-*hops in escape shuttle* "You meddling kids will never take me alive bahahahahaha"

*Shuttle gets hit by ME gun*

[Clonedzero]

the TIM - hitler comparison holds no merit.

comparing genocide to unethical research? thats alittle extreme. pretty sure genocide is WAYYYYYYY worse.

also dont think cerberus wants to commit genocide or ever has.

[Phaedon]

Clonedzero wrote...

the TIM - hitler comparison holds no merit.

comparing genocide to unethical research? thats alittle extreme. pretty sure genocide is WAYYYYYYY worse.

also dont think cerberus wants to commit genocide or ever has.

Thank you guys.

Now we have people comparing TIM to Hitler.


I did tell you not to pull the NSDAP argument card.


Goodbye thread, you were uninteresting while you lasted.

Modifié par Phaedon, 12 août 2011 - 10:06 .