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[Phaedon]

Seboist wrote...

In the minds of Cerberus/TIM haters,

Asari/Turian/Salarian Dominance = Good
Human Dominance = Bad

Oh and there's nothing wrong with the likes of the Krogan and Asari having racialist eugenic beliefs either.

People who support racial equality obviously support racial inequality in favor of the aliens.

The krogan? What.

The asari? Unless that I bet that it's asari neds that go ahead and throw racial slurs at purebloods.

Modifié par Phaedon, 12 août 2011 - 11:29 .

[didymos1120]

BTW, all this NSDAP talk reminds me: if you dump the TLK file for ME2, there're strings leftover from their endgame testing code.

According to your current plot state, you have not completed the prerequisites to enter the "End of Game" chapter.

For the purpose of testing, please answer the following questions.

-->Continue

Did Shepard destroy the Reaper Base for great justice or hand it over to n_azi scientists?

-->Justice!
-->N_azis!


Was Shepard killed in the line of duty a second time in the same game?

-->Double Dead.
-->Just once, thanks.

You can actually get these menus to appear in-game by removing enough people from the party in the save editor (not flagging them dead, but completely removing), using a save made during the Suicide Mission.  Apparently the game thinks you didn't recruit enough people to be eligible, and decides you're doing testing.

[marshalleck]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Seboist wrote...

In the minds of Cerberus/TIM haters,

Asari/Turian/Salarian Dominance = Good
Human Dominance = Bad

Oh and there's nothing wrong with the likes of the Krogan and Asari having racialist eugenic beliefs either.

Too bad that's wrong.

Equal representation = good

Too bad the Council structure isn't equal representation. So what's good about it, then?

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

In the minds of Cerberus/TIM haters,

Asari/Turian/Salarian Dominance = Good
Human Dominance = Bad

Oh and there's nothing wrong with the likes of the Krogan and Asari having racialist eugenic beliefs either.

Too bad that none of those races are aiming for dominance over each other.

What Cerberus is doing is just stupid beyond belief, because what they're doing will drag our race into pointless wars. 

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
You didn't explain ****.

...right.

See this is where I think you go wrong. Conflict is caused by need and a finite amount of resources. Bigotry is just propaganda, a means to motivate the ignorant masses to fight. It's only necessary because most people can't understand the underlying reasons for most conflicts.

Uh, no, just no.

Greed is one of the reasons that starts conflict. Not the only one. There are thousands of conflicts (and not on a national level necessarily, I have no idea why you want to focus there) that happenned due to sheer hate and bigotry.

The rest...are you serious? Racial supermacy is a means to motivate people to fight, so its okay?
This is exactly why such beliefs are wrong. Because they lead people to bloodshed.
This is exactly what I said, how is repeating it a counter argument?

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

In the minds of Cerberus/TIM haters,

Asari/Turian/Salarian Dominance = Good
Human Dominance = Bad

Oh and there's nothing wrong with the likes of the Krogan and Asari having racialist eugenic beliefs either.

Too bad that none of those races are aiming for dominance over each other.

What Cerberus is doing is just stupid beyond belief, because what they're doing will drag our race into pointless wars. 

What!? You're not this stupid, I know you're not. The asari, turians and salarians have been lording their dominance over everyone else for the last thousand years and more.

[marshalleck]

Hey, we're not allowed to talk about how religion leads to war. Religion has special "off-limits to criticism" status.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 août 2011 - 11:35 .

[Seboist]

Phaedon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

In the minds of Cerberus/TIM haters,

Asari/Turian/Salarian Dominance = Good
Human Dominance = Bad

Oh and there's nothing wrong with the likes of the Krogan and Asari having racialist eugenic beliefs either.

People who support racial equality obviously support racial inequality in favor of the aliens.

The krogan? What.

The asari? Unless that I bet that it's asari neds that go ahead and throw racial slurs at purebloods.

Krogan: The likes of Okeer and Wreav favor culling the weak in favor of "strengthening the race". Okeer's whole operation was one big eugenics project.

Asari: The whole point of "mating" with other species is to make their species stronger. The whole stigma against "Pure Bloods" stems from the belief they're stagnating or weakening their species and the term is reminicent of being labeled a "race traitor" or "race mixer" by certain IRL groups.

[Weskerr]

marshalleck wrote...

Too bad the Council structure isn't equal representation. So what's good about it, then?

It's equal representation for the alien races that are represented! :innocent:

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...

What!? You're not this stupid, I know you're not. The asari, turians and salarians have been lording their dominance over everyone else for the last thousand years and more.

Yeah. Because they established their rule first. The other races didn't have to join them at all, but they did, so they have to simply accept the new rules or get lost.

Edit: It's the same way in reality. If you want to join a certain party, like NATO or EU, you have to accept their rules. 

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 12 août 2011 - 11:39 .

[marshalleck]

Weskerr wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Too bad the Council structure isn't equal representation. So what's good about it, then?

It's equal representation for the alien races that are represented! :innocent:

Your signature is glorious.

[Phaedon]

marshalleck wrote...
Too bad the Council structure isn't equal representation. So what's good about it, then?

No, it doesn't, though the reasons you have cited for it are ridiculous and in many cases unsourced. 

Where do you get that the people who support racial equality support the current Council as well?

marshalleck wrote...
Next time I see one I'll PM you a link. Won't be long, they seem to pop up almost daily.

Yeah, sure.

I think you're delusional. It's like you have this fearful paranoid complex about any individual who may be strong, assertive, intelligent, confident, successful, ambitious, or appreciative of those qualities. 

I can assure you I have no interest in discussing nor defending narcissists. I don't even know why you mention it.

I think that you don't have an argument. People can have several different virtues and vices, that doesn't make them superior to anyone else. Why? Because simply, even if we discard rights (who cares for them, moral kool aid, pfft) which are a huge factor in equality, no one can be superior to everyone else at everything.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

What!? You're not this stupid, I know you're not. The asari, turians and salarians have been lording their dominance over everyone else for the last thousand years and more.

Yeah. Because they established their rule first. The other races didn't have to join them at all, but they did, so they have to simply accept the new rules or get lost.

Well now we see where you stand. Quite the hypocrite aren't you?

[SandTrout]

Uh, yes, I consider every supremacist an idiot.

I am very alarmed by the fact that you don't agree that supremacists are idiots.

They are idiots because they create a table of quality and put themselves on top, considering themselves as perfect though they can not possibly be.

And they are terrible people because they believe that they are entitled to better treatment than others, and don't care about others as much as they do about themselves.

And I consider the concept of such extreme examples of egalitarianism that you seem to support disgusting because some people think that they are entitled to the labors of others. Myself and Marshal are not advocating that Humans are superior because we are Humans. We are advocating attempting to claim dominance, with our success or failure as the judge.

We claim no entitlement, only what we can take and hold. You claim entitlement because of 'human/sapient rights' that have no intrinsic enforcement mechanism. Those rights were created by societies that considered them beneficial for all individuals(note that this is different than beneficial for the collective). I am no saying they are bad, because many of them are very good for everyone involved. However, the expectation that outside entities will respect our rights to their own detriment is folly.

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...

Well now we see where you stand. Quite the hypocrite aren't you?

Guess what? I don't care.

All I know is that the Council's rule is better than Cerberus' rule. Because Cerberus would have billions killed within the first week.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 12 août 2011 - 11:41 .