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[Bayz]

You mean like mouse the pride demon?

[Gervaise]

Funnily enough when you do the mage origin there is another spirit in the Fade that you have to fight that looks like animated armour, just like Justice does in the Fade in Awakening. Can't remember what virtue/vice it was meant to represent. If you have ever rivalled Anders, sided with the Templars and managed to get the end where he will agree to go with you (I haven't but I've seen it on Youtube), he indicates that he is likely to kill himself if he doesn't die in the upcoming battle, then expresses the hope that Justice, not Vengence, will rise from his corpse. So at least Anders expresses some hope that Justice will become his old self, even if he doesn't know what will happen. His words do suggest, though, that Justice will not simply return to the Fade.

[schalafi]

I wish Anders had died while fighting Meredith, and Justice came out and healed him, then went back to the Fade. I want Anders alive and uninhabited! :- )

[Bayz]

I wish Anders died, Justice appeared as a spirit of the fade on the material plane and then 4 mages launch at the same time electricity spells yelling "Don't cross the streaaamss!!" and then he dissapeared and then say "Do not think anything keep your mind blank" and...

Yeah, who you gonna call?

[AlexXIV]

Probably revives Anders for DA3, just sayin' ...

[Bayz]

But will it say "There is no Anders just Zuul"?

Modifié par Bayz, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[MKDAWUSS]

I think you'll be seeing Justice again, regardless of what you did with/to Anders.

[maxernst]

I think Vengeance probably returns to the fade and seeks out another mage to carry out his plans. Or he re-animates Anders corpse and was just playing dead until Hawke went away.

[Bayz]

Yeah but that would mean he became a demon which...he actually did already in Awakening did he not?

[ReallyRue]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I think you'll be seeing Justice again, regardless of what you did with/to Anders.

I wouldn't be surprised if Anders had a cameo in DA3, as himself if you spared him, and as J/V inhabiting his corpse if you didn't.

[Anvos]

Tommyspa wrote...

Does he go back to fade? Does he inhabit zombie Anders? Is he Justice or Vengeance? Do we know?

I'm personally not convinced he is dead dead if you kill him.  Considering DA:A proves Justice doesn't need a living host and in DA2 Anders says Justice and him are intertwined, it seems highly possible once you leave Justice springs to life and then kick starts and heals Ander's body.

[Molly J Moon]

I'm starting to wonder if perhaps this isn't leading to Vengence/Justice becoming a future "Flemeth" type entity. Morrigan tells us in DAO that Flemeth chose to bond with her demon, just as Anders did with Justice. Flemeth hints to Anders in DA2 that "he would know" about her being an abomination (since he is one).

Let's say that Anders is dead, whether via your playthrough of DA2 or through some later action prior to DA3. Justice finds either that he is stuck in Anders' corpse or can't get back into the fade as a spirit and then takes over the corpse so it can interact with our realm: This spirit is no longer just a facet of mortal personalities (saint or sinner as the Chantry divides them into), but a multi-faceted personality with linear memories - to draw in the DA mythos, it's gone from being one of the Maker's First Children (timeless, immortal & unchanging) to the Second Children (linear, mortal & evolving through interaction with the world around him).
We learn in DAO that Flemeth was supposedly planning to take over Morrigan's body (as she had presumedly done with all her other 'daughters') - could this not be the same situation? A spirit of the Fade transformed via merging with a mortal into a fully feeling soul, not unlike the other mortals around it, but for one thing - it can live without a (living) body for at least some time (say, enough time to find a new host?) and is possibly immortal because of that.

Perhaps it takes on the memories of each host, which is why Flemeth had such an interest in raising her 'daughters' - so she could ensure that they'd have traits she'd want to merge with and bring into her consciousness. Or that so she would have knowledge of the new host's life so that the merger wouldn't be such a "shock to the system" as it were.

Either way, after reading the Anders story written by one of the DA2 writers to help explain why he ended up in Kirkwall (I knew there had to be more to it than just losing his cat! Even if Ser Pounce-a-Lot *was* a great cat...), I sincerely doubt that anything short of chopping him up into little bits and burning him to ashes would ensure that we wouldn't see Anders in DA3, which is just fine with me.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Monica21 wrote...

In the conversation with Anders about Justice, he sounds pretty sure that Justice as we knew him in Awakening no longer exists. He said he hears his thoughts as his own and, because of Anders' hatred, he was twisted to Vengeance. I don't think the two can be separated and I don't think that Justice can ever become Justice again. If Anders dies then Vengeance/Justice will die with him, as the two are entwined now.

That was my exact impression during DA2, especially in the scene after Kirkwall 9/11...

(I'm not joking, this was how it felt to me - I accidentally happened to catch the 2001 9/11 attacks live on TV back then, and the DA2 scene, though fiction, brought a lot of it back to me... And Anders was even my LI... I seriously considered abandoning DA2 after that scene... well, my revenge was to let him live and suffer and ditching him in the Gallows courtyard)

[General User]

Is it possible Justice/Vengeance could continue on as a wisp?  You know, a greatly diminished spirit driven only by a single thought or emotion.

Modifié par General User, 18 novembre 2011 - 05:29 .

[Gervaise]

I wonder if there is anything to the fact that the main elven father god was a facet of Vengence and the main elven mother god was a facet of Justice and both these elements were expressed in this spirit.

Also I wonder where in relation to the events in Kirkwall does the upcoming book take place. The advanced publicity states that a mystical force stalks the templar headquarters in Orlais and since Wynne's son is sent off to prove his innocence of events that transpire, it would seem this force is not a benign one. If it took place after Last Straw, I suppose there is always the possibility that Justice sought vengence for what happened to the mages, departing from Anders whether alive or dead in order to do so. At least we don't have long to wait to find out.

[WhiteKnyght]

Anders probably faked his death at Hawke's hands.

Getting a small knife in the back doesn't always equal instant death. Yet Anders appeared to have died instantly.

Morrigan likely survives being shanked in the gut. So why cant Anders survive being shanked in the back?

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 19 novembre 2011 - 05:10 .

[Gervaise]

Somewhere it said that David Gaider had confirmed that if you kill Anders he remains dead but he could have using double speak in that only Anders himself is no more and that doesn't preclude the possibility that Justice lives on through Anders' body and this could then tie in with Justice taking over completely from Anders if you spare him.

I noted that when other possessed people are killed, the spirit is seen rising back out of them but this did not occur with Anders, so I thought that Justice was still within and waiting for you to depart, before animating the corpse.