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habitat 67 wrote...

Yay, a lady thread.

I get to play as my own gender with massive alien bodyguards and sniper rifles... IN SPACE, with Seth Green as my pilot. What else could top that?

Do a shot every time Shepard says "I should go" or any variant thereof.  Then... then things get really interesting...

But yes, running around with sniping alien bodyguards and Seth Green should be sufficient enough to capture anyone's interest.

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Dr JewLove wrote...

US? as in your one?! *GASP*!!!



so am i, i thought this game was unheard of amongst our people. nice to know im not alone in these forums:lol:


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Okay...  I dislike using people, and other sort of labels :D                     But, we seem to be about. =]

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Dear god.....You're a woman? Ha.....

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Siansonea II wrote...

For me, it was FemShep, and the story, that sucked me in. And the asari as a whole. When I first saw Benezia I was all "you've GOT to be kidding", but when I met the asari councilor and Liara, and the other random asari like Mallene Callis, Alestia Iallis, Shiala, Rana Thanoptis, etc., I realized that they were a highly variable species, and I liked that they turned the "blue/green alien babe" trope on its head. But FemShep is what got me through the game enough for me to really engage with the story, so FemShep was the key for me.

I, too, really enjoyed the asari trope subversion.  Mass Effect has a habit of taking your first impressions and screwing with them, so it seems...

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They need to put this game out there because I know women will love it. Lure them in w/ the kick butt FemShep and romance. They will then discover the story, and like myself, that they, too luv shooting things up.

I do love the combat. The combat that has a reason. Involves me emotionally. So, a 30 sec ad spot w/ a cinematic montage thing w/ FemShep aimed at the shows w/ the right demographics;.a magazine ad w/ FemShep ashot of her kicking butt--a shot of her w/ the the VS highlighting a romantic involvement....

Something. And it has nothing to do w/ trying to take it over, or feeling superior. It's just a great game and when you really like something, you wanna share it w/ others that may have no idea about it.

This is good.  Just a wee trailor that says "also, we have this stuff in here that you might like" or whatever.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 13 août 2011 - 08:42 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...

INCOMING TL;DR

The Mass Effect series is high on girl power.

Seriously, think about it.  Pretty much every female character in that game can kick your ass.  Ashley?  Assault rifle toting woman of steel.  Liara?  Timid archaeologist turned Shadow Broker with a fistful of singularity.  Tali?  More mechanically adept than you, and has a shotgun.  Samara crushes the tracheas of fully-armored mercs with her heels (while her daughter can kill you with her braingina).  Kasumi's a sticky-fingered ninja, with grenades.  Jack can blow your brains out or curse you to death.  Miranda (despite dat ass) is superwoman, complete with tights.  Chakwas rocks, Kelly is insightful and unashamed of her sexuality, Gabby's a genius, the bartending matriarch is the most badass being to ever breathe oxygen, and Aria and Helena Blake could probably make most mafia dons ****** their pants.  Hell, even the asari, an all-female race meant to pander to the lonely nerd in all of us, have the largest economy, greatest political pull, and one of the most feared (albeit one of the smallest) fighting forces in the galaxy.

And then there's FemShep.  The female incarnation of Shepard is unique in that she is every bit as powerful, capable, and badass as her male counterpart.  She blasts through ancient ruins with mining lasers, kills thresher maws on foot, punches reporters while the camera's rolling, sleeps with the galaxy's most dangerous aliens, saves the galaxy, and has killed enough goons to sit among the ranks of the most machismo heroes the entertainment industry has to offer.  She can be kind and gentle, a complete hardass, impulsive or the voice of reason, but she is never a wimp, never weak, never forced into a position where she is compromised because of her sex.  And she's not designed to be uber-sexy, either.

But it's not just the collection of female badassery that ME has going for it: it's the storytelling, too.

The Mass Effect series is one of those rare gaming gems that lets you really get to know the characters.  Their overall presentation and depth rivals that of film, television, and literature (YMMV).  However, because ME is a videogame, it gives you the opportunity to not only watch these characters, but interact with them.  You, the player, can talk to them, befriend them, help them out, pursue an intimate relationship--hell, you can even screw them over and cackle maniacally as you run away and watch them burn.  These complex stories and interactions are a great draw for female gamers because they don't only entertain, but they make you care.

Yeah.  There's a reason to play Mass Effect other than high scores and shooty bits (which I enjoy, BTW, but it's kind of like Tetris: a way to exercise my brain, blow off stress, and kill time).  ME has this great universe that lets you lose yourself in it, populated with people you grow to love almost as if they were real friend, and lets you tinker with that universe on a level most of us can't in real life.  Ultimately, it's the involvement in the story and characters--that space-age fantasy in which I have made an investment, thanks to decision carry-over--that keeps me glued to the series, and it will probably be a great hook for other girls and women as well.

My girlfriends and I will joke about improper use of vanguard charging and argue over which weapon specialization is superior, sure, but it's the story and characters that we seriously talk about.  Yes, girls and women can and do enjoy intense combat with weapon customization and all the ultra-special blah blah (and plenty of you fellas care about the story and characters far more than you do combat), but seriously, this is an aspect of the game that I feel has been largely ignored by marketing.

Finally giving FemShep some press recognition was huge, I'll say it now, but really, there's so much more to these games than the pew-pew-bang-bang.  Shouldn't there be more attention paid to the non-combat aspect in advertising, especially when more and more ladies are picking up games?  When people are getting tired of Gears of Duty?  When video games are finally starting to be recognized as an artistic storytelling medium?

And to my fellow XX-chromosomes out there, what initially drew you to Mass Effect?  What do you want to see in ME3?  And how do you feel the marketing goons should address you and others who haven't picked up the series yet?

And fellas, do you like the strong female characters in ME?  Do you think the non-combat aspects of ME3 need more attention paid to them for the sake of potential new players?

TL;DR: The Admiral rambles about storytelling, female leads, and marketing.  Also, did I mention the hot guys?  Mass Effect has hot guys.


I would say the female Shepard is even more badass than tha male because of Jenifer Hale.  You also forgot about Hannah Shepard (the mother, only available to spacers), who I'd say is basically what female Shepard will become if she ever has kids.  After all, having children does tend to soften one slightly.  Also, Giana Parasini, a tough but clever cop, Emily Wong who is essentially April O'Neil without the jumpsuit and constant kidnappings (going with the 80-90 TMNT), and (though we never see her) Conrad Verner's wife, basically kicking him out of the house for being annoying.  I would also mention Kahlee Sanders and Gillian Grayson, but they're only in the novels... so far. 

As far as having strong women in games and strong stories to go along with them, I wholeheartedly approve.  I love to see women in the thick of it and kicking ass.  Especially when it doesn't dimish the men (except Conrad Verner, who is an idiot).  Here's what I mean, Mass Effect puts women and men on equal footing as far as asskicking goes.  It doesn't make most members of one gender as snivilling cowards, or dullards in order to make the other one look better.

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JBONE27 wrote...

Mass Effect puts women and men on equal footing as far as asskicking goes.  It doesn't make most members of one gender as snivilling cowards, or dullards in order to make the other one look better.

Precisely.

Also, sorry I forgot to mention Emily, Giana, etc.  Too many awesome ladies to list.

And then you have Hackett, TIM, Joker, Anderson, Lorik, Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, hell Jacob was a corsair and gets sh*t done...

Just... this universe is full of awesome.

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Dear god.....You're a woman? Ha.....

Would you like me to make my text pink and end everything with little hearts? Image IPB

Honestly, though, I've actually thought some of the dudes on here were chicks and vice-versa myself, herp-a-derp.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 13 août 2011 - 08:49 .


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I don't like it that Mass Effect has strong women. It's very inadequate portrayal of the real world. A woman's place is in the kitchen - I mean everyone knows that right?  :whistle:

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
(while her daughter can kill you with her braingina)

Stop reading, rate thread five stars.

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even so its cool to know im not alone here.


back on topic, the women are good the way they are.

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marshalleck wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
INCOMING TL;DR

The Mass Effect series is high on girl power.

Seriously, think about it.  Pretty much every female character in that game can kick your ass.  Ashley?  Assault rifle toting woman of steel.  Liara?  Timid archaeologist turned Shadow Broker with a fistful of singularity. Tali?  More mechanically adept than you, and has a shotgun.  Samara crushes the tracheas of fully-armored mercs with her heels (while her daughter can kill you with her braingina)


Haven't finished reading, obviously, but I just wanted to say that I can't help but feel like a chapter of my life is now fulfilled and complete upon having read the bolded word.


I did not even make it that far. Thanks for pointing out.

About the topic, IMHO high percentage of female subjects in ME is a calculated move to entertain fantasies of largely male audience. That's the way I like it.

Modifié par celuloid, 13 août 2011 - 09:01 .


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Braingina

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celuloid wrote...

About the topic, IMHO high percentage of female subjects in ME is a calculated move to entertain fantasies of largely male audience. That's the way I like it.

Jacob, Kaidan, and Thane would like a word with you.  Garrus also has a few questions.

As pertaining to "all female characters are intended to be lusted after," you haven't googled Wrex with the safe seach off, have you?

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
As pertaining to "all female characters are intended to be lusted after," you haven't googled Wrex with the safe seach off, have you?


I do not read Japanese sites.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Jacob, Kaidan, and Thane would like a word with you.  Garrus also has a few questions.


Oh God, poor Kaidan.

As pertaining to "all female characters are intended to be lusted after," you haven't googled Wrex with the safe seach off, have you?


OH GOD! MY EYES!

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celuloid wrote...

I do not read Japanese sites.

Perversity knows no nationality.

Although if I were to go krogan, it would be Wrex.

SERIOUS POST: Thank you for all of your thoughtful contributions, those of you who have contributed thoughtfully.

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^Oh, how did I forget.


Image IPB

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Phaedon wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
(while her daughter can kill you with her braingina)

Stop reading, rate thread five stars.


Haha, this. 

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

celuloid wrote...

About the topic, IMHO high percentage of female subjects in ME is a calculated move to entertain fantasies of largely male audience. That's the way I like it.

Jacob, Kaidan, and Thane would like a word with you.  Garrus also has a few questions.

As pertaining to "all female characters are intended to be lusted after," you haven't googled Wrex with the safe seach off, have you?


*struggles not to post the weird japanese pictures with the hybrid babies*

PS. The word braingina is now canon.

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Im not going to go into to much detail, as much of it we already know if it hasnt been pointed out.  I just wanted to put my own experience in and the fact the Mass Effect ladies are awesome.


Initially my first ME play was male.  It was ok but having a female prtoagonist do it was so much more unique and fun! Additionally having a race of all female biotics, a kick ass marine and savy Quarian engineer means much of ME1 I had a kick ass group of women saving the Galaxy.  

Mass Effect 2 was no differnt in the new characters they introduced such as Jack and Mirianda. Strong unique individuals who are confident in their own strengths and abilities.  Yet they still had the flaws that made them human and likeable.  Bioware are accomplished character writers so this isnt really a suprise.   I think the article Jaime posted on the last page about gender blindness is fitted into more individuals then we realise.

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So...does a braingina have lobia? And a corpus collitoris?

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Dear god.....You're a woman? Ha.....

I know, right? Never suspected a thing myself either, until I too eventually found out. Still, she remains one of the more awesome posters on here.

But Cheez, that analogy on the previous page is really disturbing. And so sig worthy at that...

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The most awesome post I've read so far.

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roflchoppaz wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

celuloid wrote...

About the topic, IMHO high percentage of female subjects in ME is a calculated move to entertain fantasies of largely male audience. That's the way I like it.

Jacob, Kaidan, and Thane would like a word with you.  Garrus also has a few questions.

As pertaining to "all female characters are intended to be lusted after," you haven't googled Wrex with the safe seach off, have you?


*struggles not to post the weird japanese pictures with the hybrid babies*

PS. The word braingina is now canon.



That picture destroyed another topic I wanted to read. Every few posts was just a quote of the picture. Haha nasty damn image.

As a female gamer, I just love being able to play as a strong female in a fantastic science-fiction story and being able to romance certain turians. Hell, it's awesome flying around in the Normandy saving everyone. I was born in the wrong era. I want to be femshep dammit.

Also braingina. Amazing word <3

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

My girlfriends and I will joke about improper use of vanguard charging and argue over which weapon specialization is superior, sure, but it's the story and characters that we seriously talk about. 


Wait, what? Do you have ,not only one, but, numerous girlfriends?:blink:

Yes, girls and women can and do enjoy intense combat with weapon customization and all the ultra-special blah blah (and plenty of you fellas care about the story and characters far more than you do combat), but seriously, this is an aspect of the game that I feel has been largely ignored by marketing.


Well, all the girls that I know don't paticualry enjoy intense shooters as the guys do. Not saying there's not, just saying it's not very common, in my opinion.

Finally giving FemShep some press recognition was huge, I'll say it now, but really, there's so much more to these games than the pew-pew-bang-bang.  Shouldn't there be more attention paid to the non-combat aspect in advertising, especially when more and more ladies are picking up games?  When people are getting tired of Gears of Duty?  When video games are finally starting to be recognized as an artistic storytelling medium?


Hey, don't go too far. I enjoy Gears of War. So generalizing it in the same range as Call of Duty is offensive.
Besides, Mass Effect 3 has been inspired by Gears of War (in gameplay terms) so next time don't be so quick to generalize or dismiss it as if it was the usual shooter. Because it's not, and it's a great game.

Also Gears of War 3 will have girl characters too and females will have a greater protagonism in it.

So please, next time, don't accuse Gears of War of being generic or "the usual shooter" since it's a great franchise that I enjoy very much. It may not have the same in depth story as Mass Effect games, but it's because it's a different genre, and still, I find it interesting and very enjoyable.

Call of Duty it's another complete different history. But comparing it with Gears of War it's just insulting.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 13 août 2011 - 09:57 .


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Pulletlamer wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

My girlfriends and I will joke about improper use of vanguard charging and argue over which weapon specialization is superior, sure, but it's the story and characters that we seriously talk about. 


Wait, what? Do you have ,not only one, but, numerous girlfriends?:blink:


You, know... Girl. Friends. As in female friends. :huh:

At least *I* understood it like this.
Who knows, maybe Cheez is into lesbian orgies.

Modifié par roflchoppaz, 13 août 2011 - 10:02 .