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[Clonedzero]

Arppis wrote...

Don't honestly care if women are strong or not, as long as they are well done characters. Women or men don't always need to be strong to be great characters imo. But heck yeah, non-combat aspects need attention!

makes me think of that E3 demo for the new Tomb Raider game. actually looks really good. she's not the endangered animal killing - backflipping - cultural artifact stealing - super woman this time around. she seems like an average young woman caught in a horrible situation and doing what she has to to survive.

[RynJ]

TheDarkRats wrote...

I got into Mass Effect because first I tried Dragon Age: Origins. I was looking for some games with good ratings, so I went to IGN and looked at some previews. I ended up buying Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, and Dragon Age: Origins. I finished Assassin's Creed and liked it. Oblivion and Dragon Age: Origins didn't look too interesting to me when they came. I popped in Dragon Age: Origins anyway and couldn't believe how amazing it was. I joined BSN because it told me to, and for awhile I only stayed in the Dragon Age section of the forum. I kept seeing people's signatures about Kaidan & Ashley DLC and many more other things relating to Mass Effect. I ignored it for awhile because I assumed it was just a FPS with only a male character. Eventually, I started seeing FemShep signatures which made me decide to pop into Mass Effect's forum to take a look around. I really liked what I saw, so the next day I went out and bought Mass Effect 2. (Yeah, fail.) As I finished my first playthrough I realized how horrible it was to have the game make previous choices for me, along with not knowing what happened in the first game. I gathered up some money and downloaded Mass Effect 1 off of the Xbox LIVE Marketplace. I finished Mass Effect 1 (Which was great!) and then uploaded the playthrough into Mass Effect 2. I had a much greater understanding of the plot now. So I kept doing ME1 imports to ME2 and now i'm addicted as ever. I still like Dragon Age, but I like Mass Effect a lot more. I can't believe I was missing out on so much.

...And that's my story.

This is pretty much my story too! I played Origins and loved it, and I'd heard Mass Effect was good so I went and got ME2 to try it out. It was really confusing at first, but by the end I was like must have mooooooore!!

So I got ME1 the next day and I never looked back baby! I'm definitely getting the pimped out version of ME3 too!  I'm totally hooked and I love it!

[celuloid]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Female gamers are still kind of a weird minority.  I don't want to make us weirder or more seperate, but bring more into the fold.  Let girls who might be interested in the series know that, hey, there's more to it than the whole chest-pounding, adrenaline-fueled, shoot-em-up shebang.  That way, they might feel a little safer trying it out, and they might just find that they enjoy the combat as well.  And then suddenly they feel more comfortable with combat-focused games and aren't afraid to pick up more "masculine" titles.

Rotf lol. Well, bring on these strong women who are afraid to play "masculine" titles. How can anyone not like shooters? Are they afraid of guns or something?

I want a world where it's okay for a girl to brag about headshottin' sum b*tchez last night at the Black Ops tourney.

You see, civilized people in general don't play COD games.

Modifié par celuloid, 14 août 2011 - 08:32 .

[FoxShadowblade]

While I love the strong female personalities, I must take offense to the first post:

"Gears of Duty"?

As an avid Gears of War fan I fell in love with everything about the game, the combat, the characters, the books, the story. To place it in the same basket of Call of Duty is a bit insulting to my love of a game that rivals my love of Mass Effect.

Anyway, that's my rant. Carry on, I love the ladies.

[Vyse_Fina]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
And she's not designed to be uber-sexy, either.

Well at least she used to be

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Finally giving FemShep some press recognition was huge, I'll say it now, but really, there's so much more to these games than the pew-pew-bang-bang.  Shouldn't there be more attention paid to the non-combat aspect in advertising, especially when more and more ladies are picking up games?  When people are getting tired of Gears of Duty?  When video games are finally starting to be recognized as an artistic storytelling medium?

Well, I don't know when you got into Mass Effect, but in the beginning they acutually did that. (before the release of ME1.)
Take a look at this for example:
Or theME1 advertisement in general:

Especially the first video got me interested in ME in the first place.

The "badass" marketing started with ME2. The gameplay changed quite a bit and they showed of the action and how metally sick the members of your team are. I'd really love it if they went back to what they did with ME1, but  I doubt it is going to happen... Well at least we got narrated gameplay-vids for ME3 again, so that's an improvement over ME2already

AdmiralCheez wrote...

And fellas, do you like the strong female characters in ME?  Do you think the non-combat aspects of ME3 need more attention paid to them for the sake of potential new players?
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Well... potential new players shouldn't start with ME3... I'm not even sure how much non-combat will get inbetween "THE REAPERS ARE KILLING EVERYTHING"-sequences. Same goes for sidequests. The premise of ME3 seems to not even allow for much non-comat stuff. Whenever you are doing anything hat is not urgent (smalltalk/sidequest/etc) you are wasting time that should be used to stop the Reapers... Not sure how bioware will handle this... Anyway, I DO hope for more non-combat advertising in future Bioware games and I hope we will see some for ME3. I just don't know if the ME3 setup allows that.

Oh, and of course I like the strong females. I thought that goes without saying :happy:

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 14 août 2011 - 09:23 .

[Anakronist]

I like the ME universe, I have completed ME1 with a femshep and a maleshep. I am playing through ME2 with several different classes, and 1 or 2 of them are femsheps. What I mean to say, I don't mind that people have the possibility of choosing to play a female char. I also find it interesting and cool to have strong female characters working with you. In fact, I mostly go with a female squad, on my maleshep and femshep alike. I guess speaking to them the male characters that I like are Mordin and Grunt. I usually have Miranda or Jack, and then grunt (tank by several definitions and hilarious lines imo).

Anyway, having begun reading alot of forums for games coming out/already out im getting the gist that female gamers want more and more customization, and to be able to play a female lead in any game. I am sorry but that notion is just beyond ridiculous. First off I don't mind customzation, but I don't want an era of sims games by all companies in different shades. Second off if the protagonist/s is/are male characters then that is the design choice and the story choice. This was a huge issue on the Brink forums before that game released. Granted the game says it has a lot of customization, you can't play as a female char, the reason was that they wanted so and so much customization for their male chars. They didn't want to lower the amount. Personally I didn't need to come out with a reason/justification for design choices. They pick something, they implement it, if I don't like that choice I will play something else.
For heavens sake, I don't sit around complaining I can't play a male char in Tomb Raider or Bayonetta, because the damn story is about a female lead char.
What I mean to say is, I don't want to end up with the sims in different shades and settings, and I don't want every developer out there to start making 2 stories for their games, one with a female lead and one with a male lead. For some games its fine, it works in ME, other games, it just doesn't.
Yes to strong characters or rather believable and interesting characters (they don't have to be superwo/man), yes to customization and ability to play a female char when it fits the story. No to forcing female protagonists onto the story, in essence, taking away from the game in general just to have it, when the story doesn't support it.

[LPPrince]

Clonedzero wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Don't honestly care if women are strong or not, as long as they are well done characters. Women or men don't always need to be strong to be great characters imo. But heck yeah, non-combat aspects need attention!

makes me think of that E3 demo for the new Tomb Raider game. actually looks really good. she's not the endangered animal killing - backflipping - cultural artifact stealing - super woman this time around. she seems like an average young woman caught in a horrible situation and doing what she has to to survive.

This is why I'm definitely getting the Tomb Raider reboot in 2012.

Realistic Lara Croft FTW.

[didymos1120]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Well, I don't know when you got into Mass Effect, but in the beginning the acutually did that. (before the release of ME1. Take a look at this for example:

That's pretty much the same as this:

http://masseffect.bi...edia/video/111/

Talking about the general premise, a glimpse at exploration, some conversation, and some combat.

Or the ME1 advertisement in general: http://www.gametrail...ass-effect/2211

The bulk of the ME1 videos actually made by Bioware showcase either pure combat or consist of action/drama-packed clips from cutscenes....plus combat. This isn't very different from those made for ME2:

http://masseffect.bi...2/media/videos/

Even the ME2 character videos had their ME1 equivalents (though those were done on the cheap by just stringing together some brief snippets of conversations from the game with some ME-style chirons slapped on).

You're also neglecting that the vids released for ME2 include the "Art of The Game" series that focused solely on things like the art direction and character design, and the "Sci Vs. Fi" special which was almost entirely about the choice/story side of things (yeah, they were Machinima and SyFy respectively, but they were done with Bioware's very obvious cooperation for the very obvious purpose of marketing the game and they also appeared on the ME2 website).

Well at least we got narrated gameplay-vids for ME3 again, so that's an improvement over ME2already

Not sure what you mean by this.  That it's better when Casey or whoever talks over a video?  Well, they did have videos for ME2 with various devs providing commentary and teasers.  The one linked above, for instance, or the N7 Dev Diary:

http://masseffect.bi...edia/video/294/

Or the "Enemies" video:

http://masseffect.bi...edia/video/109/

I'm not really seeing the drastic difference I'm supposed to here, except for the fact that they seem to have had a significantly better budget for the ME2 stuff and that they were assuming a certain level of familiarity with the first game and the ME-setting in general.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 août 2011 - 10:04 .

[celuloid]

jreezy wrote...
I'm offended at that statement. Even though I play COD I'm 90% sure that most people consider me civil.

There might be exceptions, therefore I said "in general". Even I play a few hours of COD each year. Of course, it is only for scientific purposes. I need to keep myself up to date in regards to what goes these days in mindless entertainment.

[sedrikhcain]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

 By all means, make sure there is diversity, but do not oversature with new themes. I think when Bioware introduces these kind of character archetypes that they feel they need to get them in as much as the game as possible. Seeing an out of shape person or a simple, shy civilian that assisted in your journey once in a while would be a nice breathe of fresh air. Everyone in ME is either ripped or model status, nothing in between. That is, unless your a volus.

I see your point there.  The in-universe explanation is that they cured teh ebul fatness in the future, but really, they just didn't want to make any more character models than they had to.

I liked Kaidan and Ashley in ME1, though.  They looked pretty plain and acted like normal people.  For ME2, I think, they had way too many awesome character concepts and didn't want to cut any of them (and I'm glad they didn't, even if it did wind up as kind of a mess), but they're going back to a smaller squad in ME3.  Therefore, each character will be allowed to be more subtle and nuanced since they don't have to condense themselves into two missions and three conversations for the sake of being able to fit into the game.

I didn't think Kaidan or Ashley or anyone else in ME1 or 2 looked normal or plain. Everyone is toned to perfection, young, goodl-looking and badass -- frequently with magical psychic powers.

And that's as it should be! Why would I want a game populated with a galaxy full of average people. I can look out my window for that.

[LPPrince]

Back when I was in high school, I had to play Modern Warfare 2 for homework.

No joke.

[LPPrince]

Had a substitute teacher in my Applied Web Design class one day.

All the guys played the Halo:CE demo together against another class who took advantage of the same thing.

Most epic period of the day ever.

[LPPrince]

Ah yes, back on topic. Lady gamers. Love you all, but please. Don't be afraid to speak up.

Not all of us guys online are douche bags. Some of us are gentleman who wouldn't mind playing some games with someone of the opposite sex.

There's these female only clans that exist and that bugs me. I don't think they have to exist. I think women should embrace gaming and stand strong against those who rally against them online.

I really wish I could game with some more ladyfriends. I've got what, like 6, maybe 7 or so on my friend's list of 99 on the 360?

I want some ladies who won't hesitate to play Modern Warfare 3, or talk about Deus Ex Human Revolution, Mass Effect, some Kinect titles or whatever.

Uno, Fruit Ninja, Peggle, Assassins Creed titles, Fable titles, hell, ANYTHING.

Just get out there and keep gaming. Convince your other friends to game. Turn those casual ladies into hardcore gamers.

There needs to be more to offset the jacktards who do nothing but disrespect women online.

[LPPrince]

That's depressingly bad. But if you treat them the right way, they'll ask for you.

Hell, I was getting my butt whooped by this girl in Black Ops, and rather than get mad, I was saying things like, "Jesus, she has my number!" or "Damn she's good."

When she was on my team, it was more like, "I love how she's not sharing the kills, she just keeps kicking ass."

She had no mic, but heard everything I said, and after our games were over, requested me as a friend.

Thought that was nice of her.

Modifié par LPPrince, 14 août 2011 - 11:31 .

[LPPrince]

Ouchies.

[ThePwener]

Oh look, a thread founded on sexism made by a women. Im out.

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Oh look, a thread founded on sexism made by a women. Im out.

Oh look, someone who posted in a thread and didn't pay attention to what the OP actually says. Goodbye.

[LPPrince]

ThePwener wrote...

Oh look, a thread founded on sexism made by a women. Im out.

Thread? Not read.

[ThePwener]

jreezy wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Oh look, a thread founded on sexism made by a women. Im out.

Sexism? Where?

Oh please. This thread is founded on the premise that Femshep is as capable as Maleshep is and how "she exists".

A gamer is a gamer. Doesn't matter what gender you are.