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[Nashiktal]

CGG, Meridith wasn't openly rebelling from the chantry, she was insane. She thought she was doing the makers work, and thus she thought the chantry was on her side.

However if the chantry had known, they would have indeed done something about it. Probably send an army to fight her , although as you have seen in game that would not have been necessary. The templars turn against her because she has indeed gone insane.

[Nashiktal]

Wulfram wrote...

No, I'm not. I don't support the Templars, or the Chantry. I also don't accept that the Chantry has threatened Kirkwall with invasion, though I suppose that might be necessary to bring Meredith into line.

What I'm saying is that the situation in Kirkwall isn't one which can be salvaged with a mere snap of the fingers from the Divine or Grand Cleric. Not in Act 3, anyway.

Indeed. Although I suspect had elthina more guts to her name and oppenly speak against meredith, she would have been killed by her and thus temporarily shifting attention away from the mage issue. If anders was in more control of himself he should have figured a way to do that instead of putting the world to the sword.

[Addai]

You know, could an Exalted March really hurt? Because Kirkwall is a ****hole, has no government at all, and innocents are dying anyway. Even if it's to put its own house in order, having the Divine send an army would at least mean that somebody with big guns is in charge. Anders' plan to Cause Anarchy- ??- Profit! is not exactly a good one.

Edit:  Putting it that way, I realize that the Arishok was just playing DA2 and had reached frustration critical.  He was still an idiot and shouldn't have bothered, but his frustration is understandable.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Knight of Dane]

Well i guess a exalted march against the mages in Kirkwall would sunder the veil even further, that'd be no good.

[llandwynwyn]

Merrill.

She annoyed me.

They forced her on me.
Varric is the narrator. Aveline is a family friend, they escaped together and she worked a year with Hawke. Isabella and Ferris don't need to be recruited and we can say bye bye to them (+ Anders) after a certain point. But Merrill is special. Why? Even if you say you don't want to visit her the game forces you to do her quests.

I think she is a moron.

She tries to restore the mirror using the help of a powerful demon. The problem is I doubt she has enough strength to resist him. As we can see in the Fade.

And because of this stupid character we've a quest that make possible killing the Dalish Warden's clan.

[Nashiktal]

Well you did fight side by side with her in the mountains to finish delivering the amulet, but I don't think that would be reason enough.

I guess to ensure the mirror wouldn't be a threat?

[Quething]

The game doesn't force you to do Merrill's quests.

It puts the "talk to her" starters in the log, sure, which is annoying if you're trying to ignore her, but none of them are main quests, it's not like you have to actually go do them to progress the game from one act to the next or trigger the ending.

I *have* always wondered why she's mandatory, though. I guess the game could be trying to make sure you don't cheat yourself out of a mage (the way it forces you to always have at least one rogue and at least one warrior available), but a) it's not like the story is particularly coherent if you boot Anders from the party, so they might as well have just made you keep him instead, and they don't force you to keep a mage in the endgame anyway, so obviously they didn't think it was that important that you have one.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Fenris for his almost constant vitriol against mages (even if the mage has never wronged him)

Agree that he's constant bickering over mages is dumb, but you seem to forget about the mage empire that held him as slave.

Oh, I haven't forgotten. It'd be different if he kept his anger and mistrust just to the mages who wronged him and actually deserved it, but he doesn't, not even after almost a decade. Using his past as an excuse for dealing in a hostile manner towards any mage that crosses his path (especially my mage friends) would fly with me for only so long.

[Knight of Dane]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Fenris for his almost constant vitriol against mages (even if the mage has never wronged him)

Agree that he's constant bickering over mages is dumb, but you seem to forget about the mage empire that held him as slave.

Oh, I haven't forgotten. It'd be different if he kept his anger and mistrust just to the mages who wronged him and actually deserved it, but he doesn't, not even after almost a decade. Using his past as an excuse for dealing in a hostile manner towards any mage that crosses his path (especially my mage friends) would fly with me for only so long.

Agreed, in my first playthrough where he growled at Bethany i had no doubt i didn't want him on my squad
But in the other playthroughs i let him join anyway..

[Arquen]

Ahh the whole "Fenris is a meanie-jerk-face!" argument. Was wondering when it was going to move away from Anders to Fenris. This is becoming predictable. LOL.

[TheJediSaint]

Arquen wrote...

Ahh the whole "Fenris is a meanie-jerk-face!" argument. Was wondering when it was going to move away from Anders to Fenris. This is becoming predictable. LOL.

For all his anger and hatred, Fenris still proved to be more reasonable than Anders in the end.  

[Knight of Dane]

Arquen wrote...

Ahh the whole "Fenris is a meanie-jerk-face!" argument. Was wondering when it was going to move away from Anders to Fenris. This is becoming predictable. LOL.

Wise words as you spout your sqee biased junk at us, I have said many times before that i have come around to appreciate Fenris' character, don't be so quick to assume people as haters.

Edit:
Can i ask what part of the game you got your avater Arquen? I think it's quite good.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 05 octobre 2011 - 01:25 .

[Collider]

Anders and Fenris are both jerks.

[Arquen]

squee biased junk.. nice. I don't think you should be so quick to judge either sir. Perhaps take a bit of your own advice?

I'm just bored.. this is rather trollish actually... meh.

Edit: Act 3 -- Hawke: About time you admitted that! Fenris: Been waiting, have you? *snarky smirk*

Modifié par Arquen, 05 octobre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Heidenreich]

Arquen wrote...

Ahh the whole "Fenris is a meanie-jerk-face!" argument. Was wondering when it was going to move away from Anders to Fenris. This is becoming predictable. LOL.

To be fair, dear sweets, Fenris -is- a meanie-jerk-fase ;p What people don't seem to be able to grasp, is why. Fenris is a dick to Merrill because he EXPECTS BETTER from her. She's a Dalish elf.  They're suposed to be above petty human bull****. And yet there she is, using dangerous blood magic despite the fact that her whole clan and her motherly figure are all telling her "No, bad!"

Merrill has had freedom that no city elf or elf-slave has ever known. She has a family, even if its not an ideal one. She has a life, and she's throwing it all away because she wants to use blood magic. And that irritates the **** out of him.

He's also a dick to Anders.. but Anders is a dick right back, and is a big boy and can handle himself. Anders is an Abomination, which in and of itself is bad. Their opinions are about as different as night a day. They don't see eye-to-eye, they don't agree on anything other then their mutual respect (and often love) of Hawke (and amusingly enough, their disapointment in Merrill), like, 99.9% of the time.

He can also be a dick to Bethany, but only for a little while. He pretty quickly gets over the fact that Bethany is a mage.. because despite everything he's ever known about mages, Bethany is a good person and a strong mage. This is also applied if Hawke is a mage.

So, yes, he's a meanie-jerk-face, but its not irrational. He doesn't hate Mages, he hates Magic. He gets that Mages are people... and he also gets that even ordinary people are more often then not easily tempted by power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as they say. Magic is power, and there are very few Hawke/Bethany type mages in the world -- aka those who aren't eventually corrupted by it.

Void, even my Amell was corrupted by it. She's an evil, wicked little thing. Not that Alistair would ever find out though

And I say this with the utmost love for Merrill and Anders and Bethany

Modifié par Heidenreich, 05 octobre 2011 - 01:37 .

[Collider]

Fenris is a dick to Merrill because he EXPECTS BETTER from her. She's a Dalish elf. They're suposed to be above petty human bull****. And yet there she is, using dangerous blood magic despite the fact that her whole clan and her motherly figure are all telling her "No, bad!"

So he's also racist?

[Arquen]

"If I seem bitter.. it is not without cause.." pretty much sums that up.

Fenris is a Jerkass has a point

I find it refreshing, but other people don't. I just like how people dismiss him so easily because "he is mean!"

[Heidenreich]

Collider wrote...

Fenris is a dick to Merrill because he EXPECTS BETTER from her. She's a Dalish elf. They're suposed to be above petty human bull****. And yet there she is, using dangerous blood magic despite the fact that her whole clan and her motherly figure are all telling her "No, bad!"

So he's also racist?

What?


I think my brain just broke.

[Collider]

You said that he thinks that dalish elves are supposed to be above "human bull****."
Hence, racism.

[Knight of Dane]

Arquen wrote...

Edit: Act 3 -- Hawke: About time you admitted that! Fenris: Been waiting, have you? *snarky smirk*

People can mean what they like about Fenris, but i think he has a excellent trollface.

[GreenClover]

Quething wrote...

they don't force you to keep a mage in the endgame anyway, so obviously they didn't think it was that important that you have one.

Don't thay? I saw people complaining that they can't make Merrill turn agaisnt them in the end even by siding with templars. It's like the game just forces you to have  at least one mage available: if you don't have Warden Bethany, or rival Anders, or you're not a mage yourself, Merrill will stay with you no matter how bad your relations are. 

[esper]

GreenClover wrote...

Quething wrote...

they don't force you to keep a mage in the endgame anyway, so obviously they didn't think it was that important that you have one.

Don't thay? I saw people complaining that they can't make Merrill turn agaisnt them in the end even by siding with templars. It's like the game just forces you to have  at least one mage available: if you don't have Warden Bethany, or rival Anders, or you're not a mage yourself, Merrill will stay with you no matter how bad your relations are. 

If Anders is full rivaly, the games respects that he can pontieally join Hawke and Merrill turns against Hawke if her friendship/rivalry is low enough. 

[Collider]

So basically, you always need a mage.

Merrill's quests showing up even if you never spoke to her at her home is annoying, but
a. you still don't need to do them
b. it's the same for every other companion.

[Nashiktal]

I always liked fenris, even with my mage hawkes. He is rightfully spiteful of mages, he is an ex-slave from tevinter after all. He knows what could happen if mages were ever to rise back into power, and he has evidence of that first hand carved straight into his skin.

His hate is not irrational, it is what he is used to, and when you toss him from tevinter where blood mages run wild, to kirkwall where blood mages run... Half wild, well he is going to point out the problem and he is going to make his voice heard.

[Heidenreich]

Collider wrote...

You said that he thinks that dalish elves are supposed to be above "human bull****."
Hence, racism.

You're picking at straws. I was parahrasing. It's actually made pretty clear in game that HE doesn't  like the Dalish very much at all. The Dalish speak a great deal of the freedom of all Elves... and how
they're the only true Elvehn left. Yet they never act upon their great words. Fenris rolls his eyes at this
comment if you take him with you to meet Merrill.

My point was, that Dalish Elves are suposed to represent the purist of elf blood lines and ideals. They're pratically a myth. They do actually exist, but they're so rairly seen by city elves that their standards of what dalish are suposed to be.. and what they actually are, differ greately.


Also?

Nashiktal wrote...

I always liked fenris, even with my
mage hawkes. He is rightfully spiteful of mages, he is an ex-slave from
tevinter after all. He knows what could happen if mages were ever to
rise back into power, and he has evidence of that first hand carved
straight into his skin.

His hate is not irrational, it is what
he is used to, and when you toss him from tevinter where blood mages run
wild, to kirkwall where blood mages run... Half wild, well he is going
to point out the problem and he is going to make his voice
heard.

*highfive*

Modifié par Heidenreich, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:12 .