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[Avilia]

Okay I'll play:

Carver - he irritates me with his "I'm so squashed by Hawke" whining.  He's much better if he's Grey Wardened.  No doubt a bit of maturity helps a lot

Anders - oddly this has nothing to do with his eventual insanity but just his general manner.  I found romancing him on one run helped me tolerate him a little more, but mostly I leave him to heal people in his clinic.

Sebastian - I so wanted to like him but I'm afraid I find him a tad hysterical.  After one run romancing him I don't think I'll ever be able to take him seriously again.

That's it -  those are the ones I don't take out with me unless I have to.  Most of the others I like well enough to have grouped with me, but I do have my core favourites I can't do without 

Modifié par Avilia, 14 août 2011 - 06:11 .

[Addai]

Arquen wrote...

I have to say I rivaled varric once and he was a total douche. Spreading rumors about hawke instead of stories. Insulting hawke to their face. I found it hilarious, but yeah he was a total ass on rival. Still, because of his swagger I couldn't dislike him even when he goes "if anyone is good at sitting on their ass and eating bon bone it would be you, hawke." I giggled myself to death... thanks a lot ass!

That.. is awesome.  My respect for Varric just went up a solid notch and it was already pretty high. 

[Arquen]

Agreed about varric. He is so bro swagger it is hilarious.

Also on rival he starts a rumor about hawke planning to burn down the chantry. He's all "so don't be surprised if people are more afraid of you than usual." Goddammit varric... I want to hate you but that is just to awesome, lol. So yeah rivaling him is delicious fun. Kind of hard to do though. Took some micromanagement.

[esper]

Also if you rival Varric and is in and romance with Anders you can get the 'Blondie is no ogre. He is too puny' line.
I love Varric rival and friend.

[john-in-france]

I'll play:

JAnders: the character just rubbed me up the wrong way, give me the old Anders from Awakenings any day. I hated the party banter with him around, so kept his quest involvement to the minimum.

Merrill: I was never sure if Merrill was just having problems getting her head around a new language or whether she really was that naive/stupid. Rivalled was slightly better, and didn't sound so naive.

Normal Carver: I can not say how many times I took him to the Deep Roads just to kill the character off. Then through Legacy I found that Warden Carver isn't so bad. Obviously a growing up issue.

[alex90c]

Arquen wrote...

I have to say I rivaled varric once and he was a total douche. Spreading rumors about hawke instead of stories. Insulting hawke to their face. I found it hilarious, but yeah he was a total ass on rival. Still, because of his swagger I couldn't dislike him even when he goes "if anyone is good at sitting on their ass and eating bon bone it would be you, hawke." I giggled myself to death... thanks a lot ass!

<3 Varric

Even characters in-game acknowledge how ineffectual Hawke is.

Modifié par alex90c, 14 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[Knight of Dane]

Arquen wrote...

Lol I like how of all the companions the defense force came for Merrill. Heh.

I dislike how people put all the blame on marethari to handwave Merrill's actions. I have to agree with Anders on that part of it... "the world is poorer for having you in it instead of her." I mean I would have been happy to see merrily actually pay the consequence of her actions. Yet people live her so much they put themselves in harm's way for her. I see merrily as independent, but blindly so. She can't see consequences to others. Plus I agree about the single handedly taking on saving the dalish. With some mirror that is going to fix everything, yeeahh. Sorry I can't jump on board with her. She is blindly walking into these things giving up clan, family, and even her status as first... for what? So in the end we can say .. "told you so?" As I said.. I don't want to play mother hen watching out for her blind devotion.

And that is fine, i'm not trying to convert you to a fellow Merrill fan, as i said, your opinions are as valid as mine, and i meant that.
We can agree that dealing with the demon in the first place was a fools errnd, but while she does do it, i don't think you can blame her for being foolish in her deals, the only time she falls to a demons influence is if she's taken by durprise by the one in the fade.
Of course that could happen again, but fact is that Merrill is brought up in another kind of society, a society that teaches that spirit/demons are one thing and that they are not necessarily all evil, but they are all dangerous, something they don't teach in the circle, where the definition between spirits and demons are clear.
It is very easy to judge people in hindsight.
As for Marethari.. People can talk about how foolish she was, if i had been in her place with the same options avaivable, i woul dhave done the same, i can't say a loving sacrifice is stupid.

[berelinde]

Oh, wow, one of these days, I'm really going to have to rival Varric. I don't know if I could do that, exactly, but it would be so much fun to try. I might need to resort to console use.

[Heidenreich]

The only character, at this point, that I dislike... is Sebastian. And I don't even hate him or unlike him enough to not play with him. He just irritates me because he's a spoiled rich brat with no life experiences who expects everyone to just do things for him. My favorite motto for Seb is "Sebastion! Because it's okay, until it's not."

That beign said, on a game-play level, even if I spec him exactly the same way I spec varric he seems to die CONSTANTLY. Which is irritating. Also? I can't earn rivalry with him. I get 5 + rivalry, and 15+ friendship for something HE SHOULDN'T LIKE.

SEBASTIAN YOU CONFUSE AND IRRITATE ME. STOP TROLLFACING ME ;/

[Xilizhra]

As for Marethari.. People can talk about how foolish she was, if i had been in her place with the same options avaivable, i woul dhave done the same, i can't say a loving sacrifice is stupid.

I'm not saying she's foolish, I'm saying that by Act 3 she's downright evil, or possibly has just been heavily manipulated by Audacity this whole time. She could theoretically have been possessed as early as Act 2; it's hard to see the original Keeper twisting Merrill's description so as to make the clan want to commit suicide by varterral rather than be helped by her. And I wonder sometimes too if she didn't hope the varterral would kill Merrill...

[esper]

I always thought Pol's death was due to him being raised an Andrastian. I think that Mathari got possed somewhere between act 2 and act 3.

[Arquen]

That's making an awfully large assumption just to paint Marethari as the bad guy in the story and Merrill as the manipulated tragic hero. What evidence is there to suggest she was possessed so early on and then purposefully manipulated the clan against Merrill. Why wouldn't she just take the clan and go? There is no evidence to suggest she was so vindictive and concentrated on Merrill to turn herself into an abomination just for the mere chance to turn her clan against one person.

Anyway.. that belongs in the Merrill thread I suppose. I do not like her. I've said my peace on that. I keep looking for reasons to like her, but in the end it wasn't hindsight it was foresight. The big, glaring *EPIC FORESHADOWING* blinking and twisting in front of her face the whole game. Flemeth even tells her as much for Maker's sakes. "There is no path darker than when your eyes are shut." --- Merrill: "my eyes aren't shut! nyah!" -- Me: *facepalm*

[esper]

Because she has to be possessed before you reach Pride's End and My Hawke never tells her why we are in Sundermoundt in act 3.

[Knight of Dane]

Arquen wrote...

That's making an awfully large assumption just to paint Marethari as the bad guy in the story and Merrill as the manipulated tragic hero. What evidence is there to suggest she was possessed so early on and then purposefully manipulated the clan against Merrill. Why wouldn't she just take the clan and go? There is no evidence to suggest she was so vindictive and concentrated on Merrill to turn herself into an abomination just for the mere chance to turn her clan against one person.

Anyway.. that belongs in the Merrill thread I suppose. I do not like her. I've said my peace on that. I keep looking for reasons to like her, but in the end it wasn't hindsight it was foresight. The big, glaring *EPIC FORESHADOWING* blinking and twisting in front of her face the whole game. Flemeth even tells her as much for Maker's sakes. "There is no path darker than when your eyes are shut." --- Merrill: "my eyes aren't shut! nyah!" -- Me: *facepalm*

I agree on Marethari, i don't think she was posessed before she needed to, it would also be too risky to take the demon in so long before Merrill would arrive at Sundermount again.

My criticism was more to your first post:

Arquen wrote...

I personally hated Merrill. Not her fanservice, whiny, naive child-like spirit, but the fact that you wanted to just smack her. You wanted to grab her and shake her and be like, "where did you think this was going to go!?" - "What part of demons are bad didn't you understand?" As sweet and kind and *annoying* as she was it was an immense pain in the butt trying to get her to see anything but 2 feet in front of her. A personality trait that I just clash with. I honestly just didn't want to play mother hen to her. She's an adult, and can make her own decisions, but it isn't the fact that she is willing to die or sacrifice herself. I could care less if she did so. It is the fact that through her actions she endangers not only herself but her clan and her friends and everyone around her as well. Yet she refuses to see that.

You start out by saying that you don't dislike her because of her personality and so on, but later says it annoys you, now i know hate amd annoyance isn't the same thing, but when you speak against yourself like that it leaves the impression that you just hate to hate.
Ultimately you don't like her because she won't see reason and i can understand that, i would turn that around and say i lik eher because she's so determined.
And the last part i have marked i just wanted to say that it is only half true, she moves to Kirkwall because she doesn't want to endanger her clan, here you could argue that she endangers Kirkwall instead, but that's not the point here.
In Act 2 she helps kill a Varterral, which makes it safer for her clan, Pol dies here because he has been indoctrinated with the thought that Merrill is dangerous. You can decide if she gets the Arulin'holm or not, personally i don't think she up to that point has been anything but obsessed, that is not a crime in itself, it can just destroy her, which it in part ends up doing too.
In act 3 she wants to confront the demon up on the mountain, she brings hawke because she knows that s/he is more than capable of slaying her should she get posessed and s/he trusts him/her, she could by no means have predicted what Marethari would do, Marethari's fate are of her own choise, a choise i can understand, but nevertheless, Merrill never forced her to make it.
As a last note to the marked part: You don't have to, you can just ignore her from the moment she moves to Kirkwall, no one forces you to nurse her.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 14 août 2011 - 02:11 .

[Arquen]

I think you misunderstood my point exactly. I was explicitly listing frivolous and silly reasons to dislike Merrill that I have previously seen floating about. Her sweetness and kindness and personality did annoy me, but that isn't the point.

So take that first few sentences as wry sarcasm laced with some personal annoyance issues that don't have anything really to do with why I dislike her as a character.

I do ignore her pretty much. I even tell her I won't visit her because you know.. she should hang out with her blood mage friends. Okay, okay, I really don't but it's fun to get friendship points with Fenris this way. Also because I have rivaled her and friended her and so have gone both ways playing as her constant mother hen big sister.. don't worry I'll protect you whether you want me to or not. Also the you made your bed now lie in it approach. Either way is the same result. She cannot see 2 feet in front of her. She cannot see harm she brings to those around her.

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

I'm stopping now. I could argue Merrill all day but I think in the end it doesn't belong in this thread. Honestly I wanted to like her, but it's the core of her story that bothers me. Her reasoning and logic for doing things also bothers me.

[RagingCyclone]

For myself, I have my likes and dislikes on characters. In Origins there were characters I absolutely hated, but to get more from the story and them I went to the fan threads to learn more and see what others saw that I did not. An example is Zevran. After my first game when he betrayed me I hated him. After a while I talked to some of his fans, began to play with his character more to learn about him and now he is one of my faves that I include in my writings. That said I have two in DA2 that right now I dislike, but am trying to learn more about what others find appealing to see what I am missing. I do not take appearance into account nor their voice, but stick strictly to story and personality when I do this.

First is Anders...putting aside his ending, I just don't get a good vibe from him. His vitriol is so fixed that I just cannot like him at this point. There are several places in the game where he will admit he may have had wrong ideas about the chantry or Templars, and even Legacy added another point when discussing Corypheus. However, even after admitting he might not have all of the facts and perhaps needs to rethink his views...he never does. It's that inconsistancy he shows that currently I just cannot get past.

Second, Fenris...so far for me he is a broken record. All he can talk about is hatred for mages or Danarius. I have been talking to some of his friends currently to find his appeal, and perhaps my mind will change regarding him. He also has the instance where he can kill his sister. I have learned that he can be talked out of that, but for the longest time he was my absolute 'must die' character just for that alone. (Tyrion in ASoF&I series went from hero to zero with one crossbow shot). Kinslaying in my view is never acceptable no matter what argument you can try and make. I have seen some artwork done for Fenris that glorifies this, and if that is an appealing thing for him he will never be accepted in my book.

As I have said for these I have been looking in their fan threads to find what others find appealing that I may have missed. So far Fenris has more points going for him to change my mind...if I can find something other than the "he can kill his sister" part. (my hang up for sure). Anders fans are a mixed bag in that I can't tell if they even know why they like him. Hopefully that will change by talking to fans of his outside of that thread (I have found some thankfully), but I do not think I will find what I am looking for to see other aspects of his character there.

[MG800]

Arquen wrote...

I think you misunderstood my point exactly. I was explicitly listing frivolous and silly reasons to dislike Merrill that I have previously seen floating about. Her sweetness and kindness and personality did annoy me, but that isn't the point.

So take that first few sentences as wry sarcasm laced with some personal annoyance issues that don't have anything really to do with why I dislike her as a character.

I do ignore her pretty much. I even tell her I won't visit her because you know.. she should hang out with her blood mage friends. Okay, okay, I really don't but it's fun to get friendship points with Fenris this way. Also because I have rivaled her and friended her and so have gone both ways playing as her constant mother hen big sister.. don't worry I'll protect you whether you want me to or not. Also the you made your bed now lie in it approach. Either way is the same result. She cannot see 2 feet in front of her. She cannot see harm she brings to those around her.

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

I'm stopping now. I could argue Merrill all day but I think in the end it doesn't belong in this thread. Honestly I wanted to like her, but it's the core of her story that bothers me. Her reasoning and logic for doing things also bothers me.

Actually, everything that Merril is trying to recover, HAS a meaning for her clan - they're just not going to sacrifice everything for it. It's apparent in Dalish Origin, and there was a mention in codex, when introducing the whole race. And remember elven cutie servant(i don't remember her name) in Human Noble origin? She lived with her daughter in the alienege, to ensure that she'll learn what it means to be an elf. History, gods and past are a part of elven identity, and that's what they almost completly lost. So, it's not only her curiosity.

And ontopic: I hate Sebastian. Which is probably better then my indiffrence towards Fenris. 

Modifié par MG800, 14 août 2011 - 03:47 .

[Knight of Dane]

Arquen wrote...

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

Except you example doesn't work. The firefighter with a heart condition has a stated disfunction that can bring everyone in danger at any time, it is true that by doing his job he does the most prideful, if loving, thing, but it is not the exact same with Merrill.
Merrill is time and again questioned by everyone, but this is not like a heart disfuntion it is a simple lack of trust on their part, Merrill takes the "heart attack," if you want to remain in the metaphor, to Kirkwall and leaves it there, she never brings the mirror anywhere, and when she does need help with it she asks Hawke for help. The firefighter won't get a chance to warn people that his heart is about to stop.

[ReiSilver]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

Except you example doesn't work. The firefighter with a heart condition has a stated disfunction that can bring everyone in danger at any time, it is true that by doing his job he does the most prideful, if loving, thing, but it is not the exact same with Merrill.
Merrill is time and again questioned by everyone, but this is not like a heart disfuntion it is a simple lack of trust on their part, Merrill takes the "heart attack," if you want to remain in the metaphor, to Kirkwall and leaves it there, she never brings the mirror anywhere, and when she does need help with it she asks Hawke for help. The firefighter won't get a chance to warn people that his heart is about to stop.

She brings the mirror, an ancient magical artefact that she doesn't know exactly how it works or what it does besides communication, into a highly populated city. If something were to go drastically wrong the whole alienage could conceivably be wiped out before someone can come in and deal with it. I doubt Hawke was hovering over her shoulder 24 hours a day while she was rebuilding it, especially since she doesn't tell Hawke about it until it's nearly fully assembled.
That's not even bringing in Kirkwalls tentative Veil situation which only makes it an even worse place to be messing around with ancient magic artefacts as far as I can see.

I wish Merrill were more confident, about everything/anything other then the darn mirror <_<

[berelinde]

But if she never brought the mirror to Kirkwall, we wouldn't get that priceless banter where she says it's only dangerous if you're sitting directly under it.

Merrill has grown on me. Oddly enough, it's the characteristics that Arquen and others find most annoying that appeal to me the most. She is utterly clueless and she does put the lives of everyone in danger. She makes me facepalm almost as much as my beloved Anders. And I love her for that.

[alex90c]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

Except you example doesn't work. The firefighter with a heart condition has a stated disfunction that can bring everyone in danger at any time, it is true that by doing his job he does the most prideful, if loving, thing, but it is not the exact same with Merrill.
Merrill is time and again questioned by everyone, but this is not like a heart disfuntion it is a simple lack of trust on their part, Merrill takes the "heart attack," if you want to remain in the metaphor, to Kirkwall and leaves it there, she never brings the mirror anywhere, and when she does need help with it she asks Hawke for help. The firefighter won't get a chance to warn people that his heart is about to stop.

Look, the point is...

...some people don't like Merrill.

I'd love to repeatedly hit her over the spade to beat the stupid out of her and that's just how I feel, no amount of explanation so as to why Merrill does certain things will sway me since I'm set in my views about her.

Some people find her stupidity, ignorance, naivety and idiocy endearing.

I don't. Arquen doesn't either.

Modifié par alex90c, 14 août 2011 - 03:47 .

[Knight of Dane]

ReiSilver wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

Except you example doesn't work. The firefighter with a heart condition has a stated disfunction that can bring everyone in danger at any time, it is true that by doing his job he does the most prideful, if loving, thing, but it is not the exact same with Merrill.
Merrill is time and again questioned by everyone, but this is not like a heart disfuntion it is a simple lack of trust on their part, Merrill takes the "heart attack," if you want to remain in the metaphor, to Kirkwall and leaves it there, she never brings the mirror anywhere, and when she does need help with it she asks Hawke for help. The firefighter won't get a chance to warn people that his heart is about to stop.

She brings the mirror, an ancient magical artefact that she doesn't know exactly how it works or what it does besides communication, into a highly populated city. If something were to go drastically wrong the whole alienage could conceivably be wiped out before someone can come in and deal with it. I doubt Hawke was hovering over her shoulder 24 hours a day while she was rebuilding it, especially since she doesn't tell Hawke about it until it's nearly fully assembled.
That's not even bringing in Kirkwalls tentative Veil situation which only makes it an even worse place to be messing around with ancient magic artefacts as far as I can see.

I wish Merrill were more confident, about everything/anything other then the darn mirror <_<

I didn't say bringing the mirror to Kirkwall was a good idea, but the example she uses can't be related to Merrill anyway.

[Knight of Dane]

alex90c wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I think of the example of a firefighter with a heart condition. It isn't that the firefighter is afraid to die or that he won't be brave or change anything about his job or personality. He is going to go into that fire and do his job like always. However, when he suddenly has a heart attack in the middle of a fire he endangers not only himself but the other people who care about him and try to rescue him. It isn't the fact she brought the mirror to Kirkwall. It isn't the fact of the mirror at all really. It is that she is so obsessed with regaining history and saving her clan that she is blind to everything else around her. She becomes like a zealot almost. I don't want to protect her, but the game gives me no choice. "If there was a price to pay.. I should have been the one to pay it." - I agree completely, but unfortunately people loved you so damn much they didn't want to see you suffer, but you were to blinded by your mission and your own selfish wants for knowledge to see it. Her whole story boils down to "the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." except in this case at least I freakin saw it coming since act 1 when I first met the girl and go.. really? THIS is why i'm taking your butt to Kirkwall with me, because of a mirror and a chance to recover some history for the greater good. A greater good that apparently has no meaning even to your own clan?

Except you example doesn't work. The firefighter with a heart condition has a stated disfunction that can bring everyone in danger at any time, it is true that by doing his job he does the most prideful, if loving, thing, but it is not the exact same with Merrill.
Merrill is time and again questioned by everyone, but this is not like a heart disfuntion it is a simple lack of trust on their part, Merrill takes the "heart attack," if you want to remain in the metaphor, to Kirkwall and leaves it there, she never brings the mirror anywhere, and when she does need help with it she asks Hawke for help. The firefighter won't get a chance to warn people that his heart is about to stop.

Look, the point is...

...some people don't like Merrill.

I'd love to repeatedly hit her over the spade to beat the stupid out of her and that's just how I feel, no amount of explanation so as to why Merrill does certain things will sway me since I'm set in my views about her.

Some people find her stupidity, ignorance, naivety and idiocy endearing.

I don't. Arquen doesn't either.

And you obviously didn't read my other posts where i numerous times have said that i respect her opinion and that i am not trying to convert her into a merrill lover, i just think her basis of dislike is wrong.

Some people are just....

[Knight of Dane]

berelinde wrote...

But if she never brought the mirror to Kirkwall, we wouldn't get that priceless banter where she says it's only dangerous if you're sitting directly under it.

Merrill has grown on me. Oddly enough, it's the characteristics that Arquen and others find most annoying that appeal to me the most. She is utterly clueless and she does put the lives of everyone in danger. She makes me facepalm almost as much as my beloved Anders. And I love her for that.

And some of the discussions the two of us had on Anders worked too, I'm getting more softened on the old bummer..

[berelinde]

Aw, now I feel all soft and squishy inside. Hope it isn't a virus.

Intelligent debate is a great deal of fun. We're lucky the writers gave us such frustrating characters to talk about.