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[Herr Uhl]

Aradace wrote...

I've always hated Leliana and always will.  But the fact is, just when I thought I couldnt possilbly like her any less, the Devs go and rezz her ass.  (Yes guys, you rezzed her despite what cheap "excuse" you come up with in the future to justify it) 

What if their excuse is a ressurection? Would that also count as a weak excuse to resurect her?

[Xilizhra]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Kardol.

He needs to be back.

And Kylon.

Who and who?

Kardol: the awesome captain of the Legion of the dead you meet in the deep trenches in Origins,.

Kylon: Denerim guard captain who gives you a few jobs and says those classic words to the Warden: "And people still attack you? Are they stupid?".

But yes, those are two examples of non-companion NPCs whose screentime in origins was barely a minute, yet they made more impact than any DA2 NPC. As well as NPCs I found more interesting than Leliana.

And those are only two. I can think of many more.

I... can't. Maybe we differ in thinking what produces impact. Then again, I kind of hate Origins.

[Aradace]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I've always hated Leliana and always will.  But the fact is, just when I thought I couldnt possilbly like her any less, the Devs go and rezz her ass.  (Yes guys, you rezzed her despite what cheap "excuse" you come up with in the future to justify it) 

What if their excuse is a ressurection? Would that also count as a weak excuse to resurect her?

Yes, and no.  Yes in the sense that it's still an excuse and they cant admit that they didnt want to expend the extra effort and creativity to come up with an alternate character to fill the spot.  And no, in the sense that at least they're being truthful about it.  Which even then, would still feel cheap because they are in a sense, resorting to "religion" to explain her revival.  

[Wulfram]

Herr Uhl wrote...

What if their excuse is a ressurection? Would that also count as a weak excuse to resurect her?

It wouldn't be a weak excuse, but it would have horrible implications for the setting.

[Aradace]

Wulfram wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

What if their excuse is a ressurection? Would that also count as a weak excuse to resurect her?

It wouldn't be a weak excuse, but it would have horrible implications for the setting.

Which imo would still make it feel cheap because the writers couldnt come up with anything better than falling back on "religion" to explain it.

The only way they could get away with it IMO at this point, is to say that "Sister Nightingale" isnt the real Leliana and is in fact some sort of Doppleganger.  Even then, Im not %100 sure how I'd feel about it.

Modificata da Aradace, 13 agosto 2011 - 06:41 .

[Robhuzz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

More than a few people have seen Leliana's cameo as a sign that she's now anti-mage, given her comments about "tolerating" mages who want independence from the Chantry and the general comments she made, as well as her attitude about an Exalted March against Kirkwall and its inhabitiants if mages gain autonomy from the Chantry. Given how Leliana seemed to be anti-mage in "Faith," despite her portrayal in Origins (especially in her conversations with Wynne), do you think she going to continue to be portrayed as an anti-mage Chantry member, or will she be be depicted as she was in her first appearance?

I hope not. My main warden is a mage and in romance with Leliana (last I checked it was still going). Would make for an awkward situation if Leliana turned out to be anti mage now. I don't think you can see Leliana as being anti mage, she simply goes where the divine wishes her to go and the divine is, of course, pro chantry. I think come DA3 or DA2 expansion where she might be a companion, she'll try to find a compromise somewhere instead of just mindlessly hunting down mages.

Modificata da Robhuzz, 13 agosto 2011 - 06:42 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wulfram wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

What if their excuse is a ressurection? Would that also count as a weak excuse to resurect her?

It wouldn't be a weak excuse, but it would have horrible implications for the setting.

Yep. This. When Dragon Age was first coming out, it was supposed to be different from most other fantasy settings, in that death there had meaning. Unlike, say D&D where peasants have magic rez rods in their pantry.  Or people just get ressurected by super awesome godly powers and keep coming back no matter how many times you kill them.

[Xilizhra]

I think if Leliana gets her head cut off, it's just a graphical retcon, like the shapes of hurlocks and genlocks. Not a resurrection.

[Aradace]

Filament wrote...

Maybe she was an agent of the Divine and the Divine set up a magical contingency spell on her that would suck her soul into a replacement body in Val Royeaux like Archies and Corypheus like to do.

Still lame.

[Robhuzz]

Filament wrote...

Maybe she was an agent of the Divine and the Divine set up a magical contingency spell on her that would suck her soul into a replacement body in Val Royeaux like Archies and Corypheus like to do.

Plot twist of the DA century? The Divine is actually... *drumroll* A MAGE!

[Aradace]

Robhuzz wrote...

Filament wrote...

Maybe she was an agent of the Divine and the Divine set up a magical contingency spell on her that would suck her soul into a replacement body in Val Royeaux like Archies and Corypheus like to do.

Plot twist of the DA century? The Divine is actually... *drumroll* A MAGE!

Making the Chantry even more hypocritcal than they already are, great. <_<
Something like that happens and I can guarantee you that alot more people will start thinking what Anders did was a good idea.  

[Dave of Canada]

Sacred Ashes location is special, it isn't all that exaggerated that somebody can come back to life or something in that specific location. It isn't making the Dragon Age setting "RUINED FOREVER".

[Aradace]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sacred Ashes location is special, it isn't all that exaggerated that somebody can come back to life or something in that specific location. It isn't making the Dragon Age setting "RUINED FOREVER".

Ruining it? Of course not.  Making it a world full of cliche and lame/lazy writing? Absolutely.

[esper]

I agree it that it was the location - The gaunlet migt even have been inside the Fade. There was spirits anf lyrium so it is not farfetched.

[Xilizhra]

Aradace wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Filament wrote...

Maybe she was an agent of the Divine and the Divine set up a magical contingency spell on her that would suck her soul into a replacement body in Val Royeaux like Archies and Corypheus like to do.

Plot twist of the DA century? The Divine is actually... *drumroll* A MAGE!

Making the Chantry even more hypocritcal than they already are, great. <_<
Something like that happens and I can guarantee you that alot more people will start thinking what Anders did was a good idea.  

Is that so bad?

[Dave of Canada]

Aradace wrote...

Making it a world full of cliche and lame/lazy writing? Absolutely.

Considering how many times I've heard "anti-mage agenda" or "gay agenda", you wouldn't be the first (or the last) to say so. And I'd doubt the writers would care.

Modificata da Dave of Canada, 13 agosto 2011 - 06:51 .

[Zanallen]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sacred Ashes location is special, it isn't all that exaggerated that somebody can come back to life or something in that specific location. It isn't making the Dragon Age setting "RUINED FOREVER".

Plus, death blows are far from canon and rogues can feign death. So really, there is no reason to think that Leliana didn't realize that things were going bad and played dead to escape.

[Ryzaki]

Was pretty stupid of her to attack the Warden in the first place.

[Aradace]

@Xilizhra - Nope, because it would give me one more excuse (and a good one at that lol) to hate the Chantry. It'd still feel cheap though because regardless of how they explain it, it's always going to feel like our decision was hand waved and spat upon.

@Dave - "And I doubt the writers would care" Kind of my original point dont you think? I expect "better" from these guys. And it's when they display this "I dont care" attitude that it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth due to a lack of creativity on their part.

@Zan - FD? Really? That's even more lame than using "religion" to explain her death.

Modificata da Aradace, 13 agosto 2011 - 06:56 .

[Ryzaki]

I guess that would explain Wynne's resurrection as well.

[Zanallen]

Aradace wrote...

@Zan - FD? Really? That's even more lame than using "religion" to explain her death.

So the established rogue ability is a lame excuse? Makes sense to me. Your warden tried to kill her, she faked her death to get away.

Modificata da Zanallen, 13 agosto 2011 - 07:01 .