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[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I have to agree that the only way mages in the Circle of Kirkwall got to see family was if they had wealthy relatives.

Huon didn't get to see Nyssa (blegh, she was one ugly ass elf because she was balding)

Evelina didn't get to see her adopted children

Ella couldn't even go and see her parents.

You're overanalyzing.  It's this simple: the Kirkwall Circle doesn't make any damned sense.  That's just all there is to it.  Emile's parents haven't seen him since he was a child, but clearly they still care for him.  They don't outright say they couldn't visit him, but it's the only logical conclusion.  Meanwhile, Grace gets to wander the courtyard.  If you listen closely you can kind of hear the faint, otherworldly cries of the eternally damned when she's within a foot of you, but I'm sure that's just because she's two fifths kossith or something, let her have the run of the place.  There's no rhyme of reason to the DA2 Circle's rules.

Edit: I am to typing what Kirkwall is to intelligence.

Nothing in DAII made any damned sense.

Except for Merrill, Varric, Isabela, Aveline, Bethany, Carver, and kinda Fenris.

And I really hate how Bioware handled Decimus, Grace and Orsino. Orsino was a badass (who in my mind has an eidetic memory, just to make him more badass), Decimus had awesome wavy hair and an awesome voice and manner of speech, and Grace was hot.

Those aren't my only reasons for disliking how they were handled though. But they are important factors.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

He's attacking the subject and forcing any demon to defend itself.  Fairly straightforward if potentially brutal.

-Polaris

I'm honestly doubting throwing a rock at a mage is a good way to find out if he's possessed.

*throws rocks at Anders*

Seeing how sensitive mages have become, throwing rocks at them might tempt them to get possessed to defend themselves.

[Ryzaki]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Only mages who deal with demons or are abominations can tell. Neither of which would be encouraged in the circle. 

Considering the summoning sciences quest, some dabbling in spirits is encouraged.

I always skipped that quest D: 

But I don't think dabbling with demons is encouraged...or was one of those spirits a demon? 

[IanPolaris]

Ryzaki wrote...
There's nothing in the lore that says you can sense demons without said knowledge either. 

That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  We know how open and supportive the Chantry is when it comes to investigating possession (i.e. they aren't).

...Anders *is* an abomination. He uses some technique that he knows if a demon was possessing Keran it would defend itself against that doesn't harm Keran in the least. I highly doubt that was a normal attack.We don't know if he learned that from elsewhere or if he learned it from Justice (the technique at least).  

Technically he's not because his spirit companion doesn't have total control and it's not a demon.  That said, I happen to think he is as well...but there is no reason why that 'spell' couldn't be taught to a non-spirit mage.

-Polaris

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Nothing in DAII made any damned sense.

Except for Merrill, Varric, Isabela, Aveline, Bethany, Carver, and kinda Fenris.

And I really hate how Bioware handled Decimus, Grace and Orsino. Orsino was a badass (who in my mind has an eidetic memory, just to make him more badass), Decimus had awesome wavy hair and an awesome voice and manner of speech, and Grace was hot.

Those aren't my only reasons for disliking how they were handled though. But they are important factors.

And Decimus apparently treated Fenris as a sex slave amongst other things.

[Dave of Canada]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

It's in act one. He says, "This is all I feared. They know nothing of how to stop my nightmares save from destroying my mind. If I don't get better soon, I shall be made Tranquil."

Odd. All I get is the "This is all I feared." line or whatever with no text. Thanks for proving me wrong (not sarcasm).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 août 2011 - 05:53 .

[TEWR]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Only mages who deal with demons or are abominations can tell. Neither of which would be encouraged in the circle. 

Considering the summoning sciences quest, some dabbling in spirits is encouraged.

One thing I liked about that quest was how it showed that the Fade wasn't just home to benevolent spirits and malicious demons.

No, there are spirits, and some of those are demons. They're discouraged from trusting either.

Well, I too believe that all spirits are the same, but I also have to worry about people going "You need to make a distinction between spirits and demons!", which has happened

honestly I just don't type it all out.

But there are other things that exist in the Fade that aren't spirits like Justice or Audacity.

[Ryzaki]

IanPolaris wrote...


That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  We know how open and supportive the Chantry is when it comes to investigating possession (i.e. they aren't).

Or it means it doesn't. Since we can do that back and forth all day I suggest ending it here. 

Technically he's not because his spirit companion doesn't have total control and it's not a demon.  That said, I happen to think he is as well...but there is no reason why that 'spell' couldn't be taught to a non-spirit mage.

-Polaris

Since when did you have to count ashaving total control and being a demon to be an abomination? Wynne's an abomination and her spirit does neither. 

it could be something intristic to spirits. Or t might not...like I said above the back and forth could go all day. 

Now Merrill's soil trick...that I think could be taught widely. 

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...



And Decimus apparently treated Fenris as a sex slave amongst other things.

Fenris was getting tiresome in bed, Decimus needed more variety. Thus the lyrium branding was born.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Nothing in DAII made any damned sense.

Except for Merrill, Varric, Isabela, Aveline, Bethany, Carver, and kinda Fenris.

And I really hate how Bioware handled Decimus, Grace and Orsino. Orsino was a badass (who in my mind has an eidetic memory, just to make him more badass), Decimus had awesome wavy hair and an awesome voice and manner of speech, and Grace was hot.

Those aren't my only reasons for disliking how they were handled though. But they are important factors.

And Decimus apparently treated Fenris as a sex slave amongst other things.

Ugh. Why did you have to remind me? Now I'm gonna have to replay Alone so I can watch that creep get what he deserves. 

And you actually sell Fenris back to him. You and I are FINISHED KoP! 

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...



And Decimus apparently treated Fenris as a sex slave amongst other things.

Fenris was getting tiresome in bed, Decimus needed more variety. Thus the lyrium branding was born.

So what Danarius licks the lyrium and it gets him high or something? 

[TEWR]

Wait.... are you people talking about Decimus or Danarius? I'm so confuzled.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 août 2011 - 05:56 .

[Dave of Canada]

Ryzaki wrote...

Now Merrill's soil trick...that I think could be taught widely. 

Assuming they'd rather stay away from blood magic though, there's still Aeonar.

[Herr Uhl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

No, there are spirits, and some of those are demons. They're discouraged from trusting either.

Well, I too believe that all spirits are the same, but I also have to worry about people going "You need to make a distinction between spirits and demons!", which has happened

honestly I just don't type it all out.

But there are other things that exist in the Fade that aren't spirits like Justice or Audacity.

I'm speaking from chantry teachings. There is certainly some grain of truth in the distinction at least, otherwise there wouldn't be such a clear cut of denizens that are easialy identifiable.

Then again, this may be due to the expectation of what they should be like, but that'd just result in chicken or the egg-style reasoning.

Edit: Anyways, circle mages clearly do study demons and spirits.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 15 août 2011 - 05:58 .

[TEWR]

You mean people like me? All I'm saying is that the different behavioral patterns warrants a distinction between the two

no not people like you. People who say that they are two entirely different types of beings. There definitely needs to be a distinction, but not a "These are two separate types of denizens of the Fade" type of thing.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Wait.... are you people talking about Decimus or Danarius? I'm so confuzled.

Danarius. I must've autocorrected their posts in my head. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Why did you have to remind me? Now I'm gonna have to replay Alone so I can watch that creep get what he deserves. 

And you actually sell Fenris back to him. You and I are FINISHED KoP! 

I actually didn't. Back then I thought Hawke selling a companion, even if insignificant to me, would make him look bad in front of his companions and have negative ramification to the political career I was planning for him to have (ha!).

But yes, I care about his sister more....

But I still love you!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Wait.... are you people talking about Decimus or Danarius? I'm so confuzled.

Danarius. I must've autocorrected their posts in my head. 

....who was Decimus again?

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

....who was Decimus again?

Grace's lover, the Blood Mage who attacks Hawke despite Grace's objections. Later, Grace claims Decimus was right and kills Thrask.

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Now Merrill's soil trick...that I think could be taught widely. 

Assuming they'd rather stay away from blood magic though, there's still Aeonar.

Wow. That's just creepy.

[TEWR]

Decimus. He had some really badass wavy hair.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 août 2011 - 06:01 .

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

....who was Decimus again?

Grace's lover, the Blood Mage who attacks Hawke despite Grace's objections. Later, Grace claims Decimus was right and kills Thrask.

^ 

The idiot that decides it's a good idea to attack a party potentially full of mages. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

....who was Decimus again?

Grace's lover, the Blood Mage who attacks Hawke despite Grace's objections. Later, Grace claims Decimus was right and kills Thrask.

Oh that lunatic. Sorry, too many of them that I forget

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 15 août 2011 - 06:01 .