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[Sarah_SR2]

All the best for horizon later I haven't played it on insanity but I completed the mission last week on hardcore. It was pretty easy as long as you stick to cover and concentrate on your entire squad on the enemies. When you get to the second skirmish, with the pre-fab buildings you can camp in, watch out for the 2 or 3 husks that will sneak in behind you whilst you're fighting the collectors! The spaceport is the hardest part I found, especially the 2 scions and the husk rush. The husks are okay but you just need to keep mobile and wittle the scions down as soon as you can. I didn't try any bravado close up stuff on them. I kept a distance and hit them with warp, incinerate and sniper rifle shots. The husks were okay as I kept running around and dealt with them one at a time which worked out okay. There are 2 waves of collectors to come once you activate the gun turret calibrations. The first lot seemed to spawn at the far end of the port furthest from the door which you entered from so I took up cover behind the crates etc. near the entrance. The second wave seemed to spawn near the entrance so I dashed to the far end of port and used the cover down there. Both waves were easier than the 2 scions bit and then the praetorian came in. He is easy as you just keep mobile, stay behind cover (but don't take cover), and then use biotic and tech attacks on him. Grunt and Garrus have concussive shot which is great on barriers and you'll have warp for his armor. And just keep popping into his line of sight when he stops firing and hit him with whatever high damage weapons you have. I used the particle beam as it's nice and quick but that's up to you really. Just don't fire at the praetorian when he dives to the ground as your shots have no effect. You must wait till he's airborne and has a barrier/armor bar. All in, horizon is quite tough but good fun at the same time.

[Rocket_Man77]

I did Horizon and Jacob's loyalty mission today. I died twice on Horizon, and once on Jacob's loyalty mission.

Horizon wasn't as bad as I thought(I did bring Garrus and Grunt). The Scions were the hardest part. the boss really wasn't too bad. I'm going to some loyalty missions and buy some upgrades before I recruit more squad members.

probably gonna do Jack's loyalty mission next. Then Miranda's.

[Mand0l1n]

Personally i think you'd be better off with mordin instead of garrus. Husks, harbinger and the praetorian all have armour. Barriers are better just shot off with your smg so I wouldn't miss concussive shot. Also don't underestimate the warp bomb. It's the sentinels main biotic damage power but you'll need a pullbot i.e. Jack or jacob. Jacob would be a good grunt replacement as he also has incendiary ammo.

[capn233]

Yeah warp bombs are pretty nice, I thought Mordin's recruitment mission was easier with Jacob, Miranda, and I as a sentinel than it had been on my soldier or infiltrator new games. I like Grunt on husk missions though since he is like the direct husk counter with his crazy Krogan charge.

I usually like to have at least one guy sitting back with a rifle though, which is part of why I bring Garrus along so much. I ended up doing the disabled collector ship with Garrus and Grunt as well and it was pretty straightforward as well. They did manage to get killed by the Praetorian on that one though, and on the platforms. But I didn't get killed so no big deal.

At any rate, it may be moot since you already beat it, but on Horizon for the fight near the buildings after the cowardly guy that is hiding, I typically do it one of two ways, which work out for me. The first is to just get behind the cover right at the entrance to the area. That basically funnels all the enemies to you in one direction. They don't really even try to flank around or through the building on the left... They just come at you through the court-yard area with the boxes. Alternatively, I will take up a spot behind the building on the left, not in it, and just get the guys firing through the windows on both sides of that building, and popping around the sides as they try to come around and get me. I think that is easier than trying to take the inside of the buildings because it seems like it limits their options more.

I typically do Jacob's mission right after horizon too. Used Mordin this time through and that worked out nicely. I almost always do Miranda's next, although this time I decided to just do 4 N7 missions to make the disabled collector mission trigger so I could get the AR. Did MIranda's next and took Kasumi, which did not work out as I had thought... I wanted to play around with the flashbang, but whenever I just told her to attack with the squad action button (don't know the official name, it is Q or E on the PC), she always wanted to do shadow strike. So it was tedious trying to get her to flashbang. Ah well. The main problem I have with that mission is keeping the squad alive in the final fight against Enyala or whatever her name is. I can't find a place for them to take cover where they won't get flanked while I try to run up the side and take people out.

Did Tali's mission after that... Garrus / Miranda. Don't care if Zaeed shoots better, 3 overloads and 2 warps for armor made this mission practically the easiest run I have ever done. The only thing is that actually killing the colossus itself is a little slower than as a Soldier or Sentinel (I only use guns and powers against it). Somehow Garrus managed to die in the part with the Prime and all the little flying things. That was it though.

I wonder how are most people doing the part with the colossus. Nearly all the times I have beaten it I go up the right side, which seemed the most logical to me. I did the mission once on the left though. I don't think I ever bothered to try the middle.

I haven't done Jack's mission yet... I don't know who I will take. There aren't a huge amount of enemies so I might just take Samara or Thane since I don't think I have ever taken them on that particular mission.

[Mand0l1n]

Jacks loyalty is mainly blood pack i.e.vorcha,krogan and varren so we're talking about armour again. Mordin is great but Samara, Thane and Miranda would allow you to mix things up with lots of warp bombs. I usually take Samara with my sentinel as I like having 2 pulls available for warp bombing.

[capn233]

When I said I hadn't done Jack's mission, I should have specified with the Sentinel. Have done it a bunch of times though.

On that mission I am personally just thinking about people I haven't taken there before to hear different dialogue. I never thought it was all that intense and you can practically take anybody. In fact, I have nearly taken everybody. Don't know if I'll ever set it up such that I can take Legion though.

But yes, I agree that Mordin and Samara are both good anti-Blood Pack.  Jacob isn't bad on this mission either for the same warp bomb reason, and he has incendiary ammo.  Miranda is a good choice for nearly every mission, even this one... that is if you don't think it will offend Jack to bring along the Cerberus Cheerleader.

Modifié par capn233, 28 août 2011 - 04:39 .

[Rocket_Man77]

i beat Jack's loyalty mission today. I've done Jacob's and Jack's so far. On Jack's I brought Mordin, since his Incineration is really good against organics, and armor. When Should I start recruiting Tali, Thane, and Samara? Should I just continue doing mainly loyalty missions? On my last playthrough I did some loyalty, then recruitment, then more loyalty. It seemed to work fine. Opinions?

[Mand0l1n]

Some of the loyalty decisions in the game e.g. resolving the fight between Miranda and Jack, are harder to pass if you leave them till later in the game. If you are low on paragon or renegade points you may want to do their loyalty missions early to ensure you maintain both their loyalties. Other than that I do missions depending on who I like in my squad and what powers I like them to use. I like Samara for her pull and reduced cooldown so I usually get her asap. Another factor is what upgrades/weapons do I need to maximise my classes effectiveness and which missions provide them.

[Praetor Knight]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

i beat Jack's loyalty mission today. I've done Jacob's and Jack's so far. On Jack's I brought Mordin, since his Incineration is really good against organics, and armor. When Should I start recruiting Tali, Thane, and Samara? Should I just continue doing mainly loyalty missions? On my last playthrough I did some loyalty, then recruitment, then more loyalty. It seemed to work fine. Opinions?

My last two completions, as a Sentinel and Adept, I first only did Recruitment Missions and Horizon, then LotSB and Overlord after recruiting everyone except Legion.

Krogan, Varren, Vorcha Pyros and Boomsquad were very tough early on with Mordin and Garrus LMs in particular. Vorcha especially with their crazy AI, but fun. Saving LM's for later after the Collector Ship.

At this point, I want to say that I did Overlord after LotSB, and then I got the the Collector Ship. (so the three RM's after Horizon, LotSB and Overlord for the total of five to trigger the Collector Ship).

I like to save the Reaper IFF until I only have Tali's LM left to do, so that I can take Legion onto the Flotilla, very fun to bring Legion by the way. After that, then I do Legion's LM. And after returning to the Normandy resolving the Tali Legion fight, I get the kidnapping sequence on the next use of the Galaxy Map, and then I do the SM.

What I have after the SM are random assignments and Arrival, which I've like completing after the SM, than before the SM.

Also, I had import bonuses and I was able to resolve both fights on the Normandy with Paragon choices.

So far I've liked playing in this way, even if it was tough in some areas as an Adept. But being able to use Legion in more places was also fun and I've prefered the pacing, playing like that.

Maybe worth at least one try, on a future playthrough.

[capn233]

I recruited Tali fairly quickly so I could get the Tempest, since I took the AR training for my Sentinel.

If I had a character with the sniper rifle, I might have done Thane before her so I could get the Viper faster. In a NG+ situation, I suppose go for the character you want to get first... or the upgrades that are in the level.

Typically the only loyalty missions I do before I recruit everyone are Kasumi, Jacob and Miranda, although also sometimes Zaeed (like this time) and Jack. Usually I finish off recruiting then head to Tuchanka to do both Mordin and Grunt's missions, and then the Citadel to do Garrus and Thane's. Tali is usually the last one I do. I am going to save that one till after Reaper IFF this time so I can take Legion to her mission.

Overlord, who knows.  I have done it in all sorts of places.  It is sort of a big side-quest that doesn't really have make or break functions, so  I might do it last.

LOTSB I think fits story wise better after the SM, but the upgrades and squad retrain functions are useful earlier. I might do that mission sooner rather than later this time around.

I haven't actually got Arrival yet so it will be after all the other missions for each character

Modifié par capn233, 30 août 2011 - 12:23 .

[Rocket_Man77]

I already did Overlord in the first part of the game. I will probably follow how you have done your loyalty and recruitment missions. some loyalty, then recruitment, then more loyalty.

I am on NG + so I already have all the weapons (except that geth gun you get on Tali's mission only available on Insanity).

Also, I have the weapon packs, so I have the better guns you get in the packs.

[capn233]

You can get the Geth Pulse Rifle on Hardcore as well.

I don't have the weapon packs. Just the Locust from Kasumi, and the Arc Projector and Eviscerator from the Cerberus network stuff. From what I gather, if you have the Mattock you practically don't need any other gun (well except if you run out of ammo).

The Mattock seems like a real mystery as to what they were thinking. If you make some rough analogies, like the Vindicator is a M16A2 and the Revenant is an M249, then the Mattock is something like a semi-auto only M14 (like an M1A SOCOM 16) in 7.62NATO, but somehow the recoil is non existent, and you can fire it potentially as fast as the SAW. Kind of invalidates a lot of weapons, even the Viper, which in my weird system is something like a M21 / M25. Seems like if the Mattock works that well, it would have been in production as a select fire and the Vindi and Avenger wouldn't exist

[Rocket_Man77]

I chose the sniper rifle as my extra weapon, so I can't use the mattock (since I am a sentinel). The triple-burst sniper rifle(forgot the name, its a DLC sniper though) is awesome though.

[capn233]

I dropped a save right before the spot where you pick so I could switch to the sniper rifle. I love the Viper... which is why I took the assault rifle on my infiltrator.

I like having the Vindicator and the Tempest paired together though.

[Rocket_Man77]

Okay, update! I completed Miranda's (when Miranda and Jack started fighting, my paragon was high enough, so problem solved), and Mordin's loyalty mission, also before Mordin's mission, I recruited Tali! I am going to romance Tali on This playthrough. After Mordin's loyalty mission, I had the mission from TIM. I got to say, that mission was hard as F**K! Those Scions on the first battle were a pain! And the boss battle was very annoying because Garrus wasn't responding. He would go up to the Praetorian and the thing would recharge its barrier. All in all I think I died 7 times on that mission. Lucky to have even beaten that mission! I haven't died that many times in awhile. The loyalty missions are pretty simple for the most part. Know that I have my PS3 hooked up in my apartment (with all my data), I will be moving faster now!

Really I'm wondering, When should I do The Shadow Broker DLC, and who should I bring!? Obviously you have too have Liara, but who should I bring as my second squad-mate?

Modifié par Rocket_Man77, 07 septembre 2011 - 03:12 .

[capn233]

Story wise, Shadow Broker makes the most sense after the SM. But you don't get the bonuses that way. I don't think I have ever done it before I had the whole crew. Dunno what the earliest was exactly. Usually I am pretty high in rank.

With the Sentinel this time I took Kasumi and Garrus for the first part. Kasumi had improved flashbang, Garrus had heavy overload, and I think both were maxed in passive. After the first part, I took Kasumi with Liara to Azure. It made the truck part easy, IMO... I could hit them with my overload, then Liara's heavy singularity to try to hold them. You can then warp bomb and or flashbang them. You can also save flashbang for guys that try to flank or the guys that manage to get out of the truck.

To fight Vasir, as long as Liara has 1pt in Stasis it is pretty easy. You can just spam stasis at her, then shoot her on the ground. Stasis also insta-kills the flying turrets, and you can flashbang /singularity the groups of thugs that arrive on the trucks.

I switched to Samara for the SB's ship for more pull and warp bombs. She also had Area Reave. I switched out to her mainly for extra pull and throw to make it easier to knock people off the ship. The door to get inside I think is one of the harder parts of the mission, but it wasn't too bad if you position yourself and the squad well. For the turrets, stasis and overload take care of them. For the guys on the ground, work to strip defenses and try to hurl them off. It doesn't seem like they bunch up too much so area reave and singularity won't lock down too many people at a time but it will still help control them.

[SpockLives]

capn233 wrote...

Story wise, Shadow Broker makes the most sense after the SM.

Actually the dialogue is slightly different based on whether you play before or after the Suicide Mission, so I really don't think it matters.  Plus, once you've completed it, you get the ability to respec squadmates.  That, I think, is the number one reason to do LotSB before the SM.

I usually bring Garrus.  His area overload combines very nicely with Liara's singularity.

[Rocket_Man77]

on my first play through I brought Kasumi to the Shadow Broker's ship. The advice given is helpful.

one question though. Why is Stasis important on Liara?

[ryoldschool]

@rocket_man, to quote the captain, "To fight Vasir, as long as Liara has 1pt in Stasis it is pretty easy. You can just spam stasis at her, then shoot her on the ground. Stasis also insta-kills the flying turrets"

[capn233]

SpockLives wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Story wise, Shadow Broker makes the most sense after the SM.

Actually the dialogue is slightly different based on whether you play before or after the Suicide Mission, so I really don't think it matters.  Plus, once you've completed it, you get the ability to respec squadmates.  That, I think, is the number one reason to do LotSB before the SM.

I usually bring Garrus.  His area overload combines very nicely with Liara's singularity.

I agree that it does work either way, and is much more useful doing it earlier.  The reason I say it made sense after was just due to it seeming odd that they would put the anti-collector mission on hold to run and kill the Shadow Broker, that is all I meant.  You could say the same thing about the various N7 missions as well.

In the end it doesn't matter where I think you should do it.  It is available right after Horizon

ryoldschool wrote...

@rocket_man, to quote the captain,
"To fight Vasir, as long as Liara has 1pt in Stasis it is pretty easy.
You can just spam stasis at her, then shoot her on the ground. Stasis
also insta-kills the flying turrets"

Yeah.  Stasis is one of the powers that is very effective with just 1pt.  And you aren't fighting massive Geth or YMIR's on this mission to need anymore stasis than that.  Vasir is a strong opponent, so stasis does not last long on her, but there are no other enemies out at the same time, so you are mainly using it to prevent her from charging, and to get the damage bonus when she falls on the ground.  You can cast it when she is starting to do a charge and it will prevent her from doing so, as long as you time it correctly.

And since you are a Sentinel and should have warp yourself, you will want to invest the rest in Singularity and her passive for cooldown reduction, IMO.

Modifié par capn233, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:44 .

[Rocket_Man77]

Yeah, I just recruited Thane, and then completed Garrus's and Grunt's loyalty mission. I'm trying to pick up steam, but I have work to do, so I am having to balance, gameplay, and work.

My next mission will be Tali's loyalty. I will probably bring Miranda for this one, since Tali doesn't have Overload.

[Rocket_Man77]

Beat ME 2 today!!!!!!! got my platinum trophy.

I took Legion and Thane into the reaper fight, and we definitely kicked some f***ing a**

also, I saved the collector base this time (since on my previous playthrough I blew it up). I can't wait to see the difference in ME 3 because of this!

[ryoldschool]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

Beat ME 2 today!!!!!!! got my platinum trophy.

I took Legion and Thane into the reaper fight, and we definitely kicked some f***ing a**

also, I saved the collector base this time (since on my previous playthrough I blew it up). I can't wait to see the difference in ME 3 because of this!

Congrats.       Legion is money in that last fight.  I never used to take him but now I always do.

[xassantex]

i'm so caught up in my biotics, i'm starting to feel nostalgic about a good soldier/sentinel play through..haha.
and yes, legion is fantastic , sending drones to keep harbinger or scions busy , and he's got the Widow ! But i never brought him in the Boss fight . I like Miranda and Thane for their warp in that last part.

@Rocket_Man
are you playing another class next ?

[Rocket_Man77]

Thanks for the congrats! I had some ice cream after the fight.

I've only played as a sentinel on my play-through (this spelling really looks odd! is that correct?) so I don't know where to begin next. Any suggestions? I really liked being a major tank, but I wouldn't mind a more offensive type next.

Currently I am going to replay DA: Origins, because I really want to play as a rogue in that game. I might cram DA: O and ME 2 into my schedule.

We really did awesome in the reaper fight. During the entire suicide mission I used only 1 medi-gel, and it was on Thane. during the fight, I saw legion hit harbinger with the widow, and I swear, I saw half (maybe more) of his armor go down instantly. Very powerful weapon.