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[redbaron76]

Lets see what your opinions are on this issue. Is the trial going to be a millitary tribunal or bunch of politicians trying to railrad shepard.

My opinion is that it will be bunch of politicians trying to make a name for themselves by railroading humanity's first spectre. 

[ladyvader]

I think Shepard is going to be the scapegoat to keep the batarians from declaring war against the Alliance. But the reapers are going to show up and end that farce of a trial.

[BlueMagitek]

I hope it is a military tribunal; you *do* commit a lot of actions which are at the very least classified.

[Kitteh303]

Since Shepard's main defense would be that she did what she did to ward off the reapers, they'd probably focus on disproving them... only to have one land on the roof or something.

[MACharlie1]

InviolateNK wrote...

Killing Shepard at the beginning of ME 2 was a stupid plot idea. A totally unnecessary death in the name of Joker's disobedience.

Shep was a hero at the end of ME 1. In ME 2 no matter what he did on the way to defeating the Collectors, it was all outside the Citadel space, even if some of his actions can be considered as crimes. No actual proof he had anything to do with the Arrival events as well.

In my opinion this trial is BS and another surprisingly stupid idea to begin the game with. 

First point, Cerberus is, to the Council and Citadel Space, a terrorist organization. You're allied with them - willingly or not. Guess what? You're a criminal. 

Second point. That one shuttle that escaped at the end of Arrival before Shep has a word with Harbinger in addition to the report Shepard filled out.  

 

[xassantex]

InviolateNK wrote...

Killing Shepard at the beginning of ME 2 was a stupid plot idea. A totally unnecessary death in the name of Joker's disobedience.

Shep was a hero at the end of ME 1. In ME 2 no matter what he did on the way to defeating the Collectors, it was all outside the Citadel space, even if some of his actions can be considered as crimes. No actual proof he had anything to do with the Arrival events as well.

In my opinion this trial is BS and another surprisingly stupid idea to begin the game with. 

i tend to agree without going as far as saying it's stupid. 
The death is an easy frame to fill in 2 years of non action during which each went on doing their own thing and the Council could forget all about Shep and Reapers.
Do the Batarians ever find out for a fact that Shep was on the Asteroid ? He didn't manage to warn them, and it was a covert operation. The shuttle that escapse is filled with indoctrinated people. Where do they go ?
Also i have Shep tell the Council to stick their Spectre status up their ass , so he's not even at their service at all. 
And if i don't save the Council from ME1, then he's got nothing to do with Alliance whatsoever. He's dead! What grip do they have to court martial him ?
The fact he's with cerberus doesn't make him a criminal. They are deemed an extremist organization , but
they still helped the Alliance to develop the Normandy ... are they just a bunch of hypocrits ?
the trial is an odd idea but something had to bring Shep on Earth before the Reapers arrived. 
But maybe Cerberus sent information to the Alliance that could incriminate Shepard . He's become their enemy when he destroyed the Coolector Base. 
Still, in my mind, logically Shep would  get to Earth asap anyway because he knows that's where Harbinger will hit. 

Modifié par xassantex, 14 août 2011 - 12:45 .

[Sundance31us]

InviolateNK wrote...
...Joker's disobedience.

I have to disagree with you here.

The alarm that would have signaled the order to abandon ship didn't go off until Shepard repairs the unit and hits the button; that's what he was doing when he/she is first encountered.

Additionally:

• Joker realized they were in danger before everyone else.
• Kept his cool and issued orders while everyone else was panicking.
• Kept the ship moving away from the attacking ship while the crew abandoned ship; IMO this gave the rest of the crew time to abandon ship.

As the ship's helmsman/pilot he was doing his duty.

[fenix8081]

Shepard may or may not be a Spectre for ME2, but he's certainly not affiliated with the Alliance. He may be working for Hackett when he kills 300,000 batarians, but he's not Alliance, if anything that's why Hackett picked him.

At worst he's a terrorist, at best he's a Spectre. Like Saren or the asari Spectre in LotSB, he's responsible for killing people to get the job done. That being said, the Council might not try him but who's to blame Earth authorities for doing so?

Should Blackwater mercenaries be on trial for killing Iraqi civilians? Should US troops? These type of gray areas are what ME3 should be about. Shepard won't always be able to get the hearts and rainbow endings and even though he had no choice in killing batarians, he still did it.

I think he should be on trial and defeating the Reapers can be repentance for that decision and all the other ones he'll have to make, paragon or renegade.

[ladyvader]

fenix8081 wrote...

Shepard may or may not be a Spectre for ME2, but he's certainly not affiliated with the Alliance. He may be working for Hackett when he kills 300,000 batarians, but he's not Alliance, if anything that's why Hackett picked him.

At worst he's a terrorist, at best he's a Spectre. Like Saren or the asari Spectre in LotSB, he's responsible for killing people to get the job done. That being said, the Council might not try him but who's to blame Earth authorities for doing so?

Should Blackwater mercenaries be on trial for killing Iraqi civilians? Should US troops? These type of gray areas are what ME3 should be about. Shepard won't always be able to get the hearts and rainbow endings and even though he had no choice in killing batarians, he still did it.

I think he should be on trial and defeating the Reapers can be repentance for that decision and all the other ones he'll have to make, paragon or renegade.

Blackwater should be on trial to be honest. Why do you think they paid the Iraqis off?  Also, Blackwater does not have to follow the same rules of engagements that the actual military uses.  They can do what they want and the military can't do anything about it.  They don't follow any military rules at all. 

[Twistedfaith]

The council should/will help Shep, they promised, they're in debt (if they original three were saved Turian/Salarian/Asari) and would do anything within reason. I myself, chose to have the Spectre status reinstated, thus, I hope/think it will be botched and that, is when the Reapers hit, thus, bringing the council into it also, showing/knowing that Shep was correct all the way through and they failed.

Modifié par Twistedfaith, 14 août 2011 - 01:59 .

[aiDvEoN]

Who knows what the minions on the shuttle had? Either way, the trial is going to likely be about making Shepard a scapegoat. The Hegemony have been looking for a pretext of any kind to tear us a new one, and blowing up a relay and taking a system with it may well alienate the citadel enough for them to stand back and let the flames burn. Really, if they can offer up Shepard and prevent a war, they will.

I'm interested to see how the scene goes, there better be a good reason if team Dextro aren't with me.

[Sundance31us]

ladyvader wrote...
Blackwater should be on trial to be honest. Why do you think they paid the Iraqis off?  Also, Blackwater does not have to follow the same rules of engagements that the actual military uses.  They can do what they want and the military can't do anything about it.  They don't follow any military rules at all.

Is this going to deteriorate into a political debate?

[Red Son Rising]

thankfully whatever happens at the trial really wont matter much, we already know the whole thing gets cut short by the reaper invasion anyway. the trial is a good way to integrate new players into the canon, beyond that im expecting a few throw away lines and a quick leap into the action

[ladyvader]

Sundance31us wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Blackwater should be on trial to be honest. Why do you think they paid the Iraqis off?  Also, Blackwater does not have to follow the same rules of engagements that the actual military uses.  They can do what they want and the military can't do anything about it.  They don't follow any military rules at all.

Is this going to deteriorate into a political debate?

No, that is all I have to say about it actually.  Facts are facts.

[fenix8081]

I agree that Blackwater should b on trial. That's why I think it's fine that Shepard is too. Think of it from an Earth leader perspective: a war hero that you thought was deceased comes back, works with a terrorist group, and kill 300,000 member of. Species that has been looking for any reason to go to war with you. Yeah, I'd put his butt on trial too.

At the very least, Shepard's got a lot of 'splainin' to do.

[CBuM]

The trial will be used to establish what has happened so far in the story(mostly for new players).

[breakdown71289]

Honestly, i think the trial's gonna end up being pretty short.....with a reaper possibly crashing down on the courtroom, forcing the trial to be resumed at later date due to the, um.....reaper lol.

[Major Tao]

redbaron76 wrote...

Lets see what your opinions are on this issue. Is the trial going to be a millitary tribunal or bunch of politicians trying to railrad shepard.

My opinion is that it will be bunch of politicians trying to make a name for themselves by railroading humanity's first spectre. 

Good Question redbaron !

My opinion...it has to be a Military Hearing...most likely an Admiralty Board. 

I believe Admiral Hackett strongly implies that  - as far as He's concerned, Shepard is an Alliance Officer. 
Otherwise....why bother asking him to be ready..... "to face the music on Earth ?"

Shepard's status is Very Likely to come up at the Admiralty Board Hearing. 
If there is time for that... there may be some discussion about "Just WHO is Shepard working for...? "
And....." Just WHERE does you Allegiance Lie Commander ?! " 

Let's see.....Commander Shepard has so many competing allegiances now !

1)  Originally Alliance Special Forces N7

2)  Then Spectre for the Council

3)  Then Special Agent working for Cerberus 


If Bioware does allow the scene to play out a bit...then there may be a counsel for the defense, a prosecutor, and a list of charges to be considered.  

The Admiralty Board will try to clearly establish the Facts...and then decide on what charges could be levied against the Commander.  

Possible Charges.....

1)  Xenocide / Genocide for the deaths of an estimated 300,000 Batarians on Aratoht.

2)  Crimes Against the Environment....for the wanton destruction of an entire system.  ( Bahak )

3)    Criminal Vandalism and Mayhem...for the destruction of an unreplaceable Mass Effect Relay ! 

  As no-one has EVER destroyed an entire system before.... the Admiralty Board might be at a loss on what to charge Shepard with...for that... but Crimes Against the Environment comes close.

I do wonder if this will be an entirely closed hearing...or if they will allow some evidence to be presented by a Batarian representative...?  Probably not....as the Batarians have no Council embassy. 

Once the Charges are made - just what is Commander Shepard willing to reveal in her / his defense ? 

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[Johnny34]

InviolateNK wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...
...Joker's disobedience.

I have to disagree with you here.

The alarm that would have signaled the order to abandon ship didn't go off until Shepard repairs the unit and hits the button; that's what he was doing when he/she is first encountered.

Additionally:

• Joker realized they were in danger before everyone else.
  
• Kept his cool and issued orders while everyone else was panicking.
  
• Kept the ship moving away from the attacking ship while the crew abandoned ship; IMO this gave the rest of the crew time to abandon ship.

As the ship's helmsman/pilot he was doing his duty.

Joker should have gotten his ass up and moved it to escape shuttles with the rest of the crew. But no, he ignored the order cause he thought he could save the ship. Who cares what he thought? He was given an order. The time Shepard lost getting to Joker and then pulling him to the shuttle cost him his life.

To be fair Joker was obviously willing to die with the ship or he wouldn't have disobeyed, Shepard could have jumped into a pod just as easily as he went after Joker. The blame for Shepards death is on himself.

Modifié par Johnny34, 14 août 2011 - 05:21 .

[darthnick427]

fenix8081 wrote...

Shepard may or may not be a Spectre for ME2, but he's certainly not affiliated with the Alliance. He may be working for Hackett when he kills 300,000 batarians, but he's not Alliance, if anything that's why Hackett picked him.

At worst he's a terrorist, at best he's a Spectre. Like Saren or the asari Spectre in LotSB, he's responsible for killing people to get the job done. That being said, the Council might not try him but who's to blame Earth authorities for doing so?

Should Blackwater mercenaries be on trial for killing Iraqi civilians? Should US troops? These type of gray areas are what ME3 should be about. Shepard won't always be able to get the hearts and rainbow endings and even though he had no choice in killing batarians, he still did it.

I think he should be on trial and defeating the Reapers can be repentance for that decision and all the other ones he'll have to make, paragon or renegade.

I agree with this all the way.

"Spectres are the Council's first and last line of defense. The intergalatic peace keepers. Doing what must be done to secure freedom."

Modifié par darthnick427, 14 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[ArcticMan94]

 I have my defense worked out

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par ArcticMan94, 14 août 2011 - 06:49 .

[nightcobra]

my defense:

*points to batarians*

shepard: they started it!

(nod to ME1 DLC)