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[ubermensch007]

What is my opinion of Shepard Trial?

As bad as it looks for Commander Shepard, even if the Reapers did not  conveniently show up during his
trial.He doesn't have to "prove his innocence".There is a way that all the charges against him (that you have listed above) could be droped and he wouldn't spend a day in jail..."

Shepard: Excuse me? May I please have a word with the Alliance represenative of this trial?

Alliance Rep: What do you want Shepard?!

Shepard: What do I want? Hmm... Welll -- you see here's the thing.Not that long ago.I came into some very damaging intel about the Alliance.Intel so provocative, shocking and untoward.That it has been said that if the Citadel Council found out about it.The Alliance would have alot of explaining to do...If you think I'm just making all this up to try and save my ass.I'll be more than willing to give you an demonstration -- a sample of how much damage I can do to Alliance interest! Have you ever
heard of Keiji's Grey Box?

You probably haven't.Such knowledge as this is more than likely, waaaaaaaay above your pay-grade.But in any case... I have left instructions with an asscociate of mine.Who owes me a great favor.(Kasumi Goto) And if my
demands are not met.Within 24 hours.The Batarian Hegemony is going to be
the last of your worries!!

Alliance Rep: What are your demands Shepard?!

Shepard: Your going to drop these charges against me.Your going to return my ship to me! And your going to let me go... Make-up whatever story you have too.You people are good at that.But Get IT Done -- NOW...

This is Renegade Shepard  at his finest...

The Alliance HQ can kiss my ass... <_<

Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 août 2011 - 08:54 .

[FoxShadowblade]

Kitteh303 wrote...

Since Shepard's main defense would be that she did what she did to ward off the reapers, they'd probably focus on disproving them... only to have one land on the roof or something.

Alliance: "Ah yes, Reapers..."
-Reaper lands right next to a window and blows up a few people-
Shepard: "SUCK. IT."

[ChaplainTappman]

My friend wants his defense to be "I didn't realize pest control was a crime."

The trial is likely to be a military tribunal. Shepard's technically not part of the Alliance military, but he's treated as such by just about everyone. And he's likely still a Spectre, a paramilitary government agent who's regularly treated like military.

As for the progression of the trial, I'm a little conflicted. My Shepard's not stupid, he understands politics, and he wants to avoid war with the Hegemony, so he's likely to go along with the trial for diplomacy's sake. Especially since two of the most powerful Admirals in the Alliance are on his side, and evidence against him is shaky.

On the other hand, my Shepard's a Spectre. Part of me wants to walk in, say "I'm a Spectre," and walk out. I could be ten beers into my victory celebration by the time the Reapers show up.

Without the Reapers showing up, I suspect there'd be a big flashy show trial where they make an example of Shepard to placate the batarians, and then they'd quietly release him and send him back to work as a Spectre. Shepard's too valuable as an asset, and too many powerful people like him and/or owe him for him to rot in jail.

[King Minos]

Will liara help push the trial towards sheps favour? Or will she not even give a damn or she simply forgotten that shep committed mass genocide?

[Dean_the_Young]

InviolateNK wrote...

Killing Shepard at the beginning of ME 2 was a stupid plot idea. A totally unnecessary death in the name of Joker's disobedience.

Shep was a hero at the end of ME 1. In ME 2 no matter what he did on the way to defeating the Collectors, it was all outside the Citadel space, even if some of his actions can be considered as crimes.

Actually, there are a number of missions and criminal actions you can do on the Citadel itself, let alone the rough areas of Citadel space you can enter. You aren't just out in the Terminus.

Plus, plenty of countries have laws of sorts that apply even if you go overseas. They could easily get Shepard for weapons smuggling without a license. Or working with terrorists.

No actual proof he had anything to do with the Arrival events as well.

Besides the abudnant time for videos/evidence from Shepard's arrival and actions during Arrival to get out of system and to the Hegemony, you mean.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shepard must be allowed to deny every and all charges:

Court: What happened in the Bahak system?
Shepard: I don't know. I was on Illium at the time.
Court: Working for Cerberus, of course!
Shepard: Cerberus? Never heard of it.
Court: But how have you come into possession of a privately registered space vehicle with an illegal AI on board?
Shepard: I found it.
Court: Oh, you found it?.. Where?
Shepard: I don't really remember. Space is big.
Court: Shepard, you're not helping yourself here. Let's start over. Have you ever killed anybody?
Shepard: Yeah, but they were all bad.

[ThePwener]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard must be allowed to deny every and all charges:

Court: What happened in the Bahak system?
Shepard: I don't know. I was on Illium at the time.
Court: Working for Cerberus, of course!
Shepard: Cerberus? Never heard of it.
Court: But how have you come into possession of a privately registered space vehicle with an illegal AI on board?
Shepard: I found it.
Court: Oh, you found it?.. Where?
Shepard: I don't really remember. Space is big.
Court: Shepard, you're not helping yourself here. Let's start over. Have you ever killed anybody?
Shepard: Yeah, but they were all bad.

Definitely.

And if things end up bad, I can just kill everyone between me and the exit. At this point I don't give a rat's ass about the Alliance. Oh, if Kiadan even tries to stop me with; "I r Spector! Stup!" I'll drop that ungrateful bastard in a second.

Modifié par ThePwener, 14 août 2011 - 12:04 .

[Rogue Unit]

InviolateNK wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...
...Joker's disobedience.

I have to disagree with you here.

The alarm that would have signaled the order to abandon ship didn't go off until Shepard repairs the unit and hits the button; that's what he was doing when he/she is first encountered.

Additionally:

• Joker realized they were in danger before everyone else.
• Kept his cool and issued orders while everyone else was panicking.
• Kept the ship moving away from the attacking ship while the crew abandoned ship; IMO this gave the rest of the crew time to abandon ship.

As the ship's helmsman/pilot he was doing his duty.

Joker should have gotten his ass up and moved it to escape shuttles with the rest of the crew. But no, he ignored the order cause he thought he could save the ship. Who cares what he thought? He was given an order. The time Shepard lost getting to Joker and then pulling him to the shuttle cost him his life.

No, Shepard being an idiot and staring the the Collector's laser while it tears the Normandy apart is the reason he/she died. It would have taken 2 seconds to jump in that pod with Joker. Two seconds that was wasted dicking around in more ways than one - like screwing around with the sleeper pods with the ship in crumbling around you.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 14 août 2011 - 12:03 .

[aiDvEoN]

The real problem is that the Hegemony are going to probably.try and sell it as an Eden Prime and drive a wedge between humanity and the Citadel. I mean, destroying a relay and a whole system? The quarians were disenfranchised for less.

[King Minos]

I can just imagine hawke giving witty and sarcastic responses to every question the council asks.

[ThePwener]

aiDvEoN wrote...

The real problem is that the Hegemony are going to probably.try and sell it as an Eden Prime and drive a wedge between humanity and the Citadel. I mean, destroying a relay and a whole system? The quarians were disenfranchised for less.

There isn't enough proof and the Batarians couldn't go to war even if they wanted to. The Alliance are just trying to get Shepard and the Normandy because of Cerberus. Bastards....

[ThePwener]

InviolateNK wrote...
2. And who was the cameraman during the Arrival?    

The thing that follows you around in every freaking game so you can see what the hell you're doing.

[ChaplainTappman]

Theoretically there would be evidence against Shepard. Armor hardsuits have built in computers that could capture audio and/or video of whatever the wearer is doing. Shepard, as a N7 Special Forces soldier, would likely keep those functions active, to keep that data for After Action Reviews. So it's conceivable that evidence exists.

Granted, he'd also then have evidence of the Reapers and their plans. Conversations with Saren (in which Saren clearly believes in the existence of Reapers), Sovereign, Harbinger, Vigil, etc. The only extant evidence against Shepard also clears him.

[Dean_the_Young]

InviolateNK wrote...

1. Shep was a spectre in both ME 1 and ME 2.

Not all of both. And in ME2, your reinstatement was on condition... a condition you broke if you did all the loyalty missions.

And guess what? Spectres are above the freaking law. Period! 

No, they aren't. Period. The end.

Spectres are only above the law so long as the Council lets them be.

Whereas Spectres who do unacceptable action like, oh, attacking colonies, are brought in to answer for their actions. If they refuse, another Spectre is sent to bring them back, willingly or not.

2. And who was the cameraman during the Arrival?    

The Batarian prison.

[ThePwener]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Batarian prison.

You mean the one in that one planet in that one galaxy which that one racist hero blew up? Right.

Modifié par ThePwener, 14 août 2011 - 12:39 .

[aTrueFool]

InviolateNK wrote...
2. And who was the cameraman during the Arrival?    

There is a camera in the room where Kenson is being interrogated.

Modifié par aTrueFool, 14 août 2011 - 12:43 .

[Dean_the_Young]

ThePwener wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Batarian prison.

You mean the one in that one planet in that one galaxy which that one racist hero blew up? Right.

And being blown up three days later prevents data from being sent out of system? Because somehow Commander Shepard will be the only person to be able to get out of the entire system in the... three days following the break, even though Shepard was out for two of them? Because Batarian spy satelites and communications and other ships in system were incapable of leaving or sending information to the very end when the relay blew up?

You normally don't take such idiotic positions, Pwener.

[Dean_the_Young]

InviolateNK wrote...

1. My Shepard was not brought to answer, his spectre status wasn't revoked as well.

Since ME3 is going to begin with your Shepard on trial... yes. Shepard will be brought to answer. It was the ending point of the Arrival DLC.

You are confusing things that did not happen in ME2 with thing that could not happen afterwards.

Almost all loyalty missions took place outside the Citadel space, by the way.

Which means you almost fulfilled your end of the bargain with the Council. That's like almost having sex. There's a word for someone who's almost had sex, and that word is 'virgin.'

If you did all the loyalty missions, you didn't uphold your end of the bargain with the Council. Whether they will revoke your status afterwards is a question for ME3.

2. Evidence from the Batarian prison? Are you serious? The prison where they kept a human they kidnapped?

They didn't kidnapp the doctor, they arrested her. And Shepard went into a cell with known recording instruments and introduced himself.

Besides, it wasn't exactly on that asteroid.

It doesn't need to be. They can link the asteroid plot to the doctor. They can link Shepard to the doctor. And that is all they need to be able to do. The Hegemony can use that as their grounds and justification.

Hackett admitted himself there's no real evidence against Shepard. 

Hackett said there was just enough evidence do do so, and that all he could do for Shepard was buy some time.

This trial is just a stupid idea to start ME 3 with. One more plot hole, nothing more.

The first is whining that you don't want to be held accountable. The second is evidence you don't understand what a plot hole even is.

[ThePwener]

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

You mean the one in that one planet in that one galaxy which that one racist hero blew up? Right.[/quote]And being blown up three days later prevents data from being sent out of system? Because somehow Commander Shepard will be the only person to be able to get out of the entire system in the... three days following the break, even though Shepard was out for two of them? Because Batarian spy satelites and communications and other ships in system were incapable of leaving or sending information to the very end when the relay blew up?

You normally don't take such idiotic positions, Pwener.

[/quote]

Okay, I totally forgot about the 3 day thing. But like they said, there is barely any evidence. Thus, no video. plus, I was wearing a helmet 

[Dean_the_Young]

Why is there any reason to believe there was no video? They had audio for sure.

But, helmet or not, Shepard still introduces him/herself to Kenson, right inside the interrogation cell we know has microphones...

[ThePwener]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why is there any reason to believe there was no video? They had audio for sure.

But, helmet or not, Shepard still introduces him/herself to Kenson, right inside the interrogation cell we know has microphones...

Shepard: "That's obviously altered"

Plus, I doubt that the Batarian empire or wathever they have would willingly give the Alliance video footage or recordings that easily. They hate each other!