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[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I would hope its more military. I mean at least they can understand somewhat how hard the choices are that Shepard faces. Plus we already have the council who greatly mirrors the politicians we have in today's world.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 14 août 2011 - 08:04 .

[MACharlie1]

Sundance31us wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Amanda Kenson attempted to drive an entire asteroid into a Mass Relay. I'd say her interrogation footage would be very high priority. 

From one of the Batarian Security Logs:

"Our comm buoy intercepts paid off. We picked up a message to the Alliance coming from somewhere in the asteroid belt. We listened to the feed until we discovered an operation run by a human named Kenson -- smuggling engine parts and guidance systems into the system from Omega. We intercepted Kenson's vessel and took her and her people into custody. Interrogation has produced nothing but frenzied rambling so far."

Dammit. 

However. After a prison-break by a known Spectre, it could become top-priority...

[ragemaster]

in my defence...

i thought the spectre was a prostitute

[ChaplainTappman]

ragemaster wrote...

in my defence...

i thought the spectre was a prostitute

Could've been worse. Could've been a justicar.

[aTrueFool]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Amanda Kenson attempted to drive an entire asteroid into a Mass Relay. I'd say her interrogation footage would be very high priority. 

From one of the Batarian Security Logs:

"Our comm buoy intercepts paid off. We picked up a message to the Alliance coming from somewhere in the asteroid belt. We listened to the feed until we discovered an operation run by a human named Kenson -- smuggling engine parts and guidance systems into the system from Omega. We intercepted Kenson's vessel and took her and her people into custody. Interrogation has produced nothing but frenzied rambling so far."

Dammit. 

However. After a prison-break by a known Spectre, it could become top-priority...

Prison Guard: No way it would have worked. Relays can't be damaged, much less destroyed.

Prison Guard: Those humans will do anything to destroy us, I swear.

Prison Guard: We have to make this one an example to the others. We can't respond kindly to terrorists.

and later

Dr. Kenson: You're wasting time. The Reapers are coming!

Prison Guard: the Reapers are coming here. To this relay.

Dr. Kenson: Every moment you keep me here brings them closer.

Prison Guard: So I should just let you destroy the relay then? Just destroy this system?

[redbaron76]

Shepard is still officialy active duty millitary officer in alliance, as you can see in arrival mentioned by admiral hacket. I still think that it will be politicians that hold trial since millitary will not hold a trial since most of information in arrival was classified, so most millitary judges would not have security clearance to read those files.

[ChaplainTappman]

redbaron76 wrote...

Shepard is still officialy active duty millitary officer in alliance, as you can see in arrival mentioned by admiral hacket. I still think that it will be politicians that hold trial since millitary will not hold a trial since most of information in arrival was classified, so most millitary judges would not have security clearance to read those files.

Actually, military judges would absolutely have the requisite security clearance, for exactly that reason. It's also worth noting that the line between military and political get pretty blurred at high ranks. So Shepard being tried by a tribunal of admirals would be little different than him being tried by a political judicial panel.

[redbaron76]

Not realy, depends on the security rating of the file, if its eyes only no judge would have clearance for it.

[ChaplainTappman]

redbaron76 wrote...

Not realy, depends on the security rating of the file, if its eyes only no judge would have clearance for it.

They aren't just judges, they're military officers. If there's a case that involves classified information, they'll find a judge or judges who have the requisite clearance. And there's no such thing as "eyes only." There are three levels of classification: classified, Secret, and Top Secret. There's also Sensitive Compartmented Information, or SCI, which is not a level of classification but a compartmentalization of information (i.e., only those working in that specific field can see a given piece of information). But SCI can be decompartmented, and typically information is only compartmented to protect the secrecy of the source. Granted that's the current system, and it's bound to have changed between now and the ME era, but I sincerely doubt that they'd have done something as ridiculous as not provide military judges with security clearances. Furthermore, if a military judge doesn't have proper clearance, there's no way a politician will be cleared. Unless the President is going to act as a judge.

[redbaron76]

Acctualy theree is an Eyes only classification.

[redbaron76]

@ ChaplainTappman

You are right that politicians will not have clearance, but simple due to the fact that Admiral Hackett says hat he will be tried on earth and that it is a witch hunt, sounds to me like trial by politicians. And since trial is about Arrival DLC it is more likely politicians involved. Because Batarian Hegemony is screaming bloody war. Trial is to appease batarians. Appeasment is politicians preference not millitary option.

[K_Tabris]

Politicians, of course, will be involved either way, directly or indirectly. Officially, Shepard will have to face a military tribunal as she is Alliance. It will probably be Udina attempting to cover his ass and simultaneously pinning blame on Shepard to gain some kind of glory. Again.

And he'll fail again.

[superfastguy]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

Theoretically there would be evidence against Shepard. Armor hardsuits have built in computers that could capture audio and/or video of whatever the wearer is doing. Shepard, as a N7 Special Forces soldier, would likely keep those functions active, to keep that data for After Action Reviews. So it's conceivable that evidence exists.

Granted, he'd also then have evidence of the Reapers and their plans. Conversations with Saren (in which Saren clearly believes in the existence of Reapers), Sovereign, Harbinger, Vigil, etc. The only extant evidence against Shepard also clears him.

im not doubting you, but if bioware was really into this the council wouldnt doubt the reapers existence per conversations with Sovereign on Virmire and Vigil on Ilos

[tabbsy]

kasumi mite help shepard with his trial with the gray box

[Sundance31us]

tabbsy wrote...
kasumi mite help shepard with his trial with the gray box

Gray boxes are illegal in some places though.

[Swimming Ferret]

Well, I hope you get to have Troll responses during the trial.

[stysiaq]

Basically, I think that the events of The Arrival should not be taken into consideration. The DLC is just plain awful plot hole. It does not make any sense. Arrival should be excluded from all the discussions, just like events of Opposing Force are 'forgotten' in Half-Life universe (although Opposing Force is quite awesome and Arrival are the worst hours in ME2). So the whole trial would not happen.

Well, I can dream though. Bio will rather stick itself to this BS.
Shepard dealt with law before.

Seriously, I don't have any idea, what the whole 'trial' would be like. Sure, if its going to happen, it will be the start of the game - Shepard destroyed a system, and there are no Reapers, so she/he is considered a mad prophet or even a mass murderer, blah blah blah. Sci-Fi Cassandra all over again. Starts to be boooooriiiing.

Probably we will not even control Shep at the time. Because why we should be able to? To Renegade/Paragon the jury? Thats plain silly. Or maybe to renegade interrupt and just leave, calling the court a bunch of pricks before? Useless.

Only if the turian councillor is the judge, it'll have any lulz sense.

Modifié par stysiaq, 15 août 2011 - 08:18 .

[Goneaviking]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

eye basher wrote...

What threat to the galaxy? oh you mean the reapers which the coucil doesn't believe in the very same council that thinks that shepard is out of his/her mind and then there's the spectre status which you can only have as long as you stay in the terminus where the council has no authority.

1. As I said earlier, armor hardsuits have built in computers, capable of recording audio and possibly video as well. It stands to reason that Shepard recorded the conversations he had with Saren, Sovereign, Vigil, Harbinger, Kenson, etc. 2.Besides, the operational latitude that Spectres are granted means that they don't need specific instructions from the Council to act, nor do they have to justify their actions to anyone, even the Council. 3.Shepard acted to preserve the galaxy. If pressed, he can provide evidence to demonstrate that. 4.Furthermore, if Spectres could only operate in Citadel space, they wouldn't be very effective. They're authorized by the Council to go where they must.

1. This may be true in lore but it's implicitly ignored during the game so I'm not inclined to pay it much thought.
2. Spectres don't need to receive specific orders, but they do have to justify their actions if the council questions them. If they didn't then Saren would never have had to respond to initial accusations that he was responsible for the attack on Eden Prime and C-Sec wouldn't have opened an investigation against him.
3. If Shepard had undeniable evidence he would have presented it by now. As with no.1 lore and reasonable thinking may say he has the evidence, but unless the game acknowledges it then there's no reason to concern myself with it overly.
4. The Council can authorise Spectres to go anywhere they want, but since they don't have authority over the Terminus systems it's naive to believe that Spectres would be entitled to expect the same treatment they receive within the council's jurisdiction. By the same reasoning the US government can send their agents wherever they want, but if they get caught in Pyongyang then they should be prepared for the fallout.

[toolfan9284]

What if we never did Arrival? Will the game assume we did, considering there was no choice in it anyway.

Hoping for a low-key military tribunal with the admirals accusing and Anderson speaking on Sheps behalf, sometime in the admirals very vocal rebuttal you'll hear a loud *THUD* on the roof...

[Patchwork]

I'm half expecting the Reaper arrival to mirror learning Eden Prime is under attack.

Although it's being called a trail think it will be more a closed inquiry to establish exactly what happened after the SR1 was attacked.

The council will be there via hologram as will a batarian representative when Arrival comes up. For the most part though it's just Shepard, Anderson, a few Admirals, the council and some lawyers.

Then just as the council are about to officially strip Shepard of Spectrehood/arrest Shepard, a minion vids in footage of Earth being under attack.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Judge: What do you have to say in your defense?
Shepard: 5.
Judge: What?
Shepard: 4, 3,
Judge: Stop that and tell us what----
Shepard: 2, 1, Showtime.
*Reapers invade*
Shepard: The defense rests.

[ChaplainTappman]

redbaron76 wrote...

@ ChaplainTappman

You are right that politicians will not have clearance, but simple due to the fact that Admiral Hackett says hat he will be tried on earth and that it is a witch hunt, sounds to me like trial by politicians. And since trial is about Arrival DLC it is more likely politicians involved. Because Batarian Hegemony is screaming bloody war. Trial is to appease batarians. Appeasment is politicians preference not millitary option.

Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's going to be run by politicians, because the whole thing's a political farce. It's a puppet show for the batarians. I'm just saying that a lot of the politicians will be wearing uniforms.

Goneaviking wrote...

1. This may be true in lore but it's implicitly ignored during the game so I'm not inclined to pay it much thought.
2. Spectres don't need to receive specific orders, but they do have to justify their actions if the council questions them. If they didn't then Saren would never have had to respond to initial accusations that he was responsible for the attack on Eden Prime and C-Sec wouldn't have opened an investigation against him. 
3. If Shepard had undeniable evidence he would have presented it by now. As with no.1 lore and reasonable thinking may say he has the evidence, but unless the game acknowledges it then there's no reason to concern myself with it overly.
4. The Council can authorise Spectres to go anywhere they want, but since they don't have authority over the Terminus systems it's naive to believe that Spectres would be entitled to expect the same treatment they receive within the council's jurisdiction. By the same reasoning the US government can send their agents wherever they want, but if they get caught in Pyongyang then they should be prepared for the fallout.

1 and 3 are fair points, though Shepard might not have felt like he had to present any evidence when he spoke to the Council in ME2. The last time he spoke with them, they acknowledged what Sovereign was and what it meant to galactic civilization. He was taken aback by their denials, and then the conversation took a different turn. Besides, if we're only going by what's specifically in the game, we have to discount the notion of batarian evidence. In that case, what evidence do they have? Shepard's report to Hackett and navigational data from the SR2? Self-incriminating evidence that Shepard and Hackett wouldn't be inclined to release.
2. The Council isn't questioning him, the Alliance is. And the Alliance is only doing so to placate the batarians. And Saren was forced to respond to the Eden Prime accusations because those accusations were made by a Citadel race, which the batarians aren't. Might the Council question him? Sure, it's possible, likely even. But the only thing we know for certain is that the Alliance is putting on a song and dance for the batarians.
4. But Shepard wasn't caught. He went in, he acted, he left. His actions left a big footprint, and to smooth things over with the batarians the Alliance is perfoming a play. It's equivalent to Saren's actions on Camala in Revelations.

All of this is irrelevant anyways, since the only thing we KNOW about the trial is that it'll be interrupted by "oh God everything's blowing up please save us Commander Shepard!"

[Dean_the_Young]

I'd point out that the Council races were forced to bring Saren in for questions due to the pressure a non-Council race brought onto them.

Another Council race bringing one of its agents to an accounting on the basis of a non-Council race wouldn't be unusual at all.


As for a political farce... that's usually a term reserved for an event that ISN'T justified. Given that Shepard did, in fact, commit genocide of a colony population without prior sanction, a trial is very much proper.

[nightcobra]

my defense:

*points to batarians*

shepard: they started it!

(nod to ME1 DLC)

[ISpeakTheTruth]

This is the way I see the trial. It makes sense for there to be a trial afterall you can't just destroy a relay which ends up killing over 300 thousand people and just walk away. A Spectre has authority to do a lot of things but I'm pretty sure genocide on that scale to prevent something that only you believe is real isn't going to fly.

That being said Hackett makes it clear that there isn't a lot of evidence to convict Shepard and given his past actions I think he'd be let free even if there weren't Reapers about to show up. I think the most important mission that Shepard can do in ME2 is a side mission where you can either send Cerberus data to the Alliance or not. If you give the Alliance Cerberus data than that shows right there in black and white that you weren't on their side and were just using them to stop the colony disapperances.so that should take care of the Cerberus card at least.