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[goofyomnivore]

War Hero at least indicates that Shepard can adapt to military situation and utalize all resources to his advantage.

Sole Survivor doesn't do this at all. Shepard just survived.

I don't think there is much Shepard could do versus thresher maws at night in a settlement with very little fortification. I'm pretty sure Shepard had to adapt or change something to survive or else Shepard would be dead like the rest of the unit.

[Aaleel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

War Hero at least indicates that Shepard can adapt to military situation and utalize all resources to his advantage.

Sole Survivor doesn't do this at all. Shepard just survived.

Spectres don't lead troops into battle, they operate solo most of the time, so being able to survive situations no one else can I would think would be a good prerequisite for being a Spectre.

[goofyomnivore]

The objective was to find out what happened and report back, Shepard was the only one to complete the mission. Isn't that getting the job done? Do you expect him/her to slay multiple thresher maws? Ruthless lost what 3/4th's of Shepard's men? War Hero, Shepard's comrades fell and Shepard alone held the line with a few civilians. They all survived and finished the job with a lot of losses.

Modifié par strive, 15 août 2011 - 03:10 .

[Aaleel]

Being able to adapt to a military situation would be good for a future general, or someone who leads troops. Being a to adapt, think quickly on your feet, and think your way out of difficult situations are good traits for someone who is like a spy.

Spectres are more spy/special operative then general, they don't lead troops.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

strive wrote...

The objective was to find out what happened and report back, Shepard was the only one to complete the mission.

Shepard didn't complete jack ****. The entire force was wiped out and only Shepard was left standing. What did s/he accomplish exactly? It was just a waste of personnel and vehicles.

All Shepard did was survive a battle.

You just don't get it. Shepard surviving a Thresher Maw attack or a varren attack or a ****ing RANCOR doesn't provide us with any indication that Shepard is fit to be a Spectre. Shepard basically survived a battle that his marines lost.

Can you give me any specific examples of what Akuze would have taught us that make Shepard a good Spectre? I can give especifics for Torfan and Elysium, and I have, but I doubt you can do the same for Akuze.

To be fair, we dont know the details of any of the psyche profiles. Presumably, there was something in the events regarding Shepard's survival of the Thresher Maws that was of note besides his running speed, which likely would not have done much good in any case. I always figured Threshers as being faster than a human.

[goofyomnivore]

Can you give me any specific examples of what Akuze would have taught us that make Shepard a good Spectre?

Resourcefulness? Shepard went against a complete enigma in thresher maws and Shepard survived. Shepard had arguably the bare min in info and resources but adapted and survived. I think that is a valuable quality to have for a Spectre. I would imagine the mental fortitude needed to survive that was pretty high too.

Modifié par strive, 15 août 2011 - 03:21 .

[Aaleel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Spectres are more spy/special operative then general, they don't lead troops.

Except we've seen Spectres leading troops. We saw Shepard do it. We saw Saren do it. We saw Vasir do it. Nihlus operated in close proximity to troops as well.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Vasir led troops?  She was there investigating alone, there were no other troops with her, she went rogue and used some of the ShadowBrokers men, she wasn't sent with anyone.  Just like Nihlus was sent alone and went off by himself.  Just like there were no other council personel with Saren, he was out by himself and used Geth.

Spectres don't take out squads of troops when they go somewhere, they go alone with their own assignment.

Modifié par Aaleel, 15 août 2011 - 03:22 .

[Il Divo]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

To be fair, we dont know the details of any of the psyche profiles.

We don't know the minute details, but we know enough to understand exactly what traits were displayed by Shepard to make him desirable as a Spectre candidate.

Torfan displayed Shepard's ability to get the job done at any cost. This is the most important trait for a Spectre. The description for this reputaiton even explicitly states that the Alliance Navy always goes to Shepard for their most important missions for this very reason. Shepard will succeed, always, no matter what.

War Hero gives us an example of Shepard's superb leadership and ability to effectively utalize all resources available to obtain an objective. Shepard was able to motivate civilians to fight, but more than that, Shepard was able organize them into an EFFECTIVE fighting force. Shepard organized the defense of a large area. That displays great tactical abilities. Secondarly Shepard did hold off an entire enemy platoon by himself which is proof of his great combat skill.

What does Akuze give us? We don't know if Shepard survived because he was lucky or because of his great combat ability. We know it wasn't his ability to organize men because he lost all of his men. How did he survive? Did he just find a safe spot to hide in?

Now I'm not saying any of this dismisses what Shepard did there. It is miraculous that Shepard survived at all and certainly he deserves a mention for not panicking. However nothing we are told gives us a clear indication of why this event made Shepard a desirable Spectre candidate.

Did Shepard survive out in the open for no cover for hous upon hours? For days? Fighting and fighting and never tiring? I could understand that a bit better but we just don't know. As it stands for the description for "Sole Survivor" just exists to tell us about something that happened in Shepard's past and how it affected him as a person. It doesn't actually tell us much about why it makes him valuable to the Alliance, humanity ,or the Spectres.

This post should be book-marked.

To add (briefly) to this, the Ruthless/War Hero backgrounds both demonstrate Shepard performing some strategic-based task successfully, against great odds. "Surviving" can definitely be considered a skill, but that doesn't demonstrate anything beyond Shepard's own survival instincts. It doesn't really demonstrate any other attributes.

[goofyomnivore]

The fact Shepard is the only known human to ever survive a thresher maw attack is a good indication of Shepard being unique or special at the very least, and I doubt Shepard escapes a situation described with "Shepard was under great physical and mental torments that would of broken most people." without being elite, and that is what Spectres seek.

[Seboist]

Sole Survivor is weaksauce. If a SS Shepard could have confronted TIM/Cerberus about it in ME2 then it would have been worthwhile for an anti-Cerberus playthrough.

Modifié par Seboist, 15 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

Sole Survivor is weaksauce. If a SS Shepard could have confronted TIM/Cerberus about it in ME2 then it would have been worthwhile for an anti-Cerberus playthrough.

ME2 basically voided any reason one could've had for playing an SS Shepard. Which is a shame, because only that military history hasn't got Shepard achieving something major before the player taking control.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 août 2011 - 03:33 .

[goofyomnivore]

I've always assumed the psych profiles were more of your pre-requisite for N7 training rather than Spectre consideration, and the relation to Anderson/Normandy+N7 training was why you were put forth as the candidate. As for SS in ME2, yeah it got screwed, I've considered switching my canon to Colonist/Ruthless.

Modifié par strive, 15 août 2011 - 03:38 .

[In Exile]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
ME2 basically voided any reason one could've had for playing an SS Shepard. Which is a shame, because only that military history hasn't got Shepard achieving something major before the player taking control.

But that's why it makes no sense. If you listen to the SS ME1 dialogue, when the say "Shepard's the best we've got" it sounds like they're depressed. 

[Youknow]

Earthborn War Hero for me. A story about a guy/girl that grew up in gangs, and really had no sense of direction in their life, then they joined the military, got their head on straight and became a hero. I love hearing about people that fix their lives through determination.

[In Exile]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Regardless, I never said Elysium was ideal. It isn't. Torfan is the best indication of Shepard's fit as a Spectre.

I always like War Hero because it makes Shepard a political appointment. Living star of Terra recepient, now the first human Spectre? Udina might as well have him out there kissing babies and shaking hands. 

[M8DMAN]

Spacer/Sole Survivor for me. I hope Bioware will expand upon the Sole Survivor background in ME3.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 15 août 2011 - 03:59 .

[MrFob]

strive wrote...

I've always assumed the psych profiles were more of your pre-requisite for N7 training rather than Spectre consideration, and the relation to Anderson/Normandy+N7 training was why you were put forth as the candidate. As for SS in ME2, yeah it got screwed, I've considered switching my canon to Colonist/Ruthless.

I don't know, the dialogue between Hackett, Anderson and Udina you hear right at the beginning of ME1 (while you see Shep looking out the window towards earth) suggests that his psych profile and service history are the main points why s/he is "the only person who can protect the galaxy" (i.e. be a spectre).
On the other hand, I always assumed at least SS Shep has more missions under his/her belt than just Akuze. It's just not mentioned in game. I mean, in most other RPGs you don't get any backstory whatsoever and it is upto the player to fill in the blanks.

[rpgfan321]

I love being the ruthless background. I like that Shepard isn't that ultimate good guy/girl.
And I'm starting to like the spacer profile. Used to be earthborn, but the spacer side quest was really fun to finish.

[AerisBru]

My main Shep is a Spacer just because I wanted my fictional mother to be alive, since the real one...she's not here anymore, so...T-T
(it's silly but it's true)

And she is also a Sole Survivor, just because I think the combination Spacer/War Hero is very boring.