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[Agamo45]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

In Exile wrote...

You know, I never understood why Sole Survivor even qualifies Shepard for the Spectres. It's awesome that Shepard didn't get killed.. but that doesn't even speak to Shepard's ability to get the job done.

Well, they made Ashley a Spectre and the only assignments she had before she got lucky and joined up with Shepard were "crap assignments".

If anyone, I think Kaidan and Garrus were the only two qualified to become Spectres.

yeah, absolutely NOTHING happened when shepard was dead for two years.

We know she got promoted, that's it. We'll have to wait until ME3 to see if there is actually justification for her being made a Spectre or if was just to please the fans.

Ashley would make a c$%# Spectre in my opinion, she's racist for one thing. You really can't afford to be racist when you are a defender for the ENTIRE galaxy.

Shepard can be a "racist" by your definition. And still be a Spectre.

Modifié par Agamo45, 14 août 2011 - 04:50 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Clonedzero wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...


Ashley would make a c$%# Spectre in my opinion, she's racist for one thing. You really can't afford to be racist when you are a defender for the ENTIRE galaxy.

yeah, no way a racist would ever become a spectre. its not like we ever had one named saren before right? right? oh...

He was more racist to JUST humans though and being how young we were as a spacefaring species, it's acceptable. Ashley is racist to everything that ISN'T human.

really like who?
basing that off the "i cant tell the aliens from the animals" line? really? if you didnt know the elcor were a intelligent alien race and you saw one, would you honestly think it was an intelligent race and not some sort of space cow or horse?

or her not trusting the council races? she has plenty of reason to not trust the council races outside of them being aliens.

No, just her general attitude towards a lot of aliens. If you choose Liara over Ashley for example, she gets pissy at you and exclaims 'What? SO I gotta have bug eyes or somethin'?!'. I just don't really like Ashley. I never romanced her and I almost always choose Kaidan over her as the VS. So I'm not walking into ME3 with Spectre Ash anyway. That's just how I feel anyway.

[marshalleck]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Ashley would make a c$%# Spectre in my opinion, she's racist for one thing. You really can't afford to be racist when you are a defender for the ENTIRE galaxy.

ROFL. 

First, Ashley isn't racist. Second, the Council's top Spectre of all time was a thoroughly racist ****: Saren.

[leggywillow]

marshalleck wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Ashley would make a c$%# Spectre in my opinion, she's racist for one thing. You really can't afford to be racist when you are a defender for the ENTIRE galaxy.

ROFL. 

First, Ashley isn't racist. Second, the Council's top Spectre of all time was a thoroughly racist ****: Saren.

Plus Shepard can be the biggest pro-human racist in the galaxy if you choose to RP that way.  Even if your Shepard isn't, you'd probably have a hard time convincing the batarians of that. >_>

[mranderson25]

I can agree that the Spacer desription tends to be kinda boring. Could've used a "your ship came under attack" kind of scenario, or something along those lines.

[karatemanchan37]

With ME3 coming, I would love to see how a Earthborn Shepard would feel about saving the planet that made him so renegade.

[Longsword-83]

leggywillow wrote...

Plus Shepard can be the biggest pro-human racist in the galaxy if you choose to RP that way.  Even if your Shepard isn't, you'd probably have a hard time convincing the batarians of that. >_>

Am I the only one who sees Arrival as being the logical conclusion for a Renegade Colonist/Ruthless Shepard?

[breakdown71289]

karatemanchan37 wrote...

With ME3 coming, I would love to see how a Earthborn Shepard would feel about saving the planet that made him so renegade.

Exactly. They need to delve deeper into our pre-service history/psych profiles so that our ME3 experiences are that much more complete! 

Modifié par breakdown71289, 14 août 2011 - 05:12 .

[Td1984]

My ManShep is Earthborn/War Hero. My FemShep is Spacer/War Hero. Not sure I like that I went with the Spacer background, but oh well.

[AdmiralCheez]

Of the psych profiles, I like Ruthless best (it gives Shep the qualifications for Spectrehood and multiple approaches to roleplay--is Shep just bloodthirsty or did he/she make a mistake and begin seeking redemption?), War Hero second, and Sole Survivor third.

Of the histories, Spacer is probably my favorite (least tragic, and it's cute to have the savior of the galaxy talk to his/her mom every once in a while). Colonist comes up second, and Earthborn is the most... meh.

Anyway, each background combo sort of gives a "theme" to my Sheps:

Spacer/War Hero: idealism and optimism.
Spacer/Sole Survivor: guilt and disillusionment.
Spacer/Ruthless: strategic thinking and a a willingness to do ugly things for the greater good.

Colonist/War Hero: an iron will and fierce desire to protect others from harm.
Colonist/Sole Survivor: isolation and self-doubt.
Colonist/Ruthless: Vengeance and an internal struggle with one's own demons.

Earthborn/War Hero: Surprising resourcefulness and a desire to separate from the past.
Earthborn/Sole Survivor: mistrust and cynicism.
Earthborn/Ruthless: borderline psychosis and a complete disregard for authority.

[mranderson25]

I'm surprised that Ruthless isn't very popular so far, figured most Renegades would choose that profile.

[leggywillow]

Longsword-83 wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Plus Shepard can be the biggest pro-human racist in the galaxy if you choose to RP that way.  Even if your Shepard isn't, you'd probably have a hard time convincing the batarians of that. >_>

Am I the only one who sees Arrival as being the logical conclusion for a Renegade Colonist/Ruthless Shepard?

I don't see it as the logical conclusion, given the unlikely circumstances that brought Shepard there, but I do have a couple of Sheps who said "OH NO! BLOW UP A-- oh wait, a batarian colony?  Well, sure, I probably would have done that on my way home anyway."

[Praetor Knight]

I tend to prefer Colonial War Heroes, but being a Ruthless Colonial is also interesting to me.

[SandTrout]

mashalleck wrote...

They should have written the Spacer background blurb differently. As it reads now, it's essentially saying "this is the most boring, unremarkable Shepard in every way. Nothing interesting happened for 18 years and then you joined the Navy."

Personally, I like having that option for Shepard. Earthborn is a 'redeemed thug' story, and Colonist is 'Traumatized childhood' story. Spacer allows people to make a Shepard who isn't the product of a traumatic youth. It's not necessarily everyone's cup of tea, but it's a good option to have, IMO, when every other modern hero should be a basket case considering their pasts.

In any case, I prefer the Colonist/Sole Survivor background. Colonist because it means that Shepard knows who and what he is fighting for (trauma didn't have a lot to do with it). Sole survivor because I felt that it fit that my Shepard would be able to persevere past that kind of experience.

[AtreiyaN7]

I prefer Earthborn & Sole Survivor.

[SandTrout]

@AdmiralCheeze,

I get the sense that you don't like the sole-survivor background much...

[AdmiralCheez]

SandTrout wrote...

@AdmiralCheeze,

I get the sense that you don't like the sole-survivor background much...

It's the one I use the least, sure, but I listed negative qualities under it as my "Shepard themes" because there is no way anyone could come out of that experience with a more positive outlook on life.

Well, maybe they'd manage a shaky, "gee I sure was lucky," but honestly, would you enjoy watching your squad ripped out from under your feet by a giant space worm?

[Seboist]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Of the psych profiles, I like Ruthless best (it gives Shep the qualifications for Spectrehood and multiple approaches to roleplay--is Shep just bloodthirsty or did he/she make a mistake and begin seeking redemption?), War Hero second, and Sole Survivor third.

Of the histories, Spacer is probably my favorite (least tragic, and it's cute to have the savior of the galaxy talk to his/her mom every once in a while). Colonist comes up second, and Earthborn is the most... meh.

Anyway, each background combo sort of gives a "theme" to my Sheps:

Spacer/War Hero: idealism and optimism.
Spacer/Sole Survivor: guilt and disillusionment.
Spacer/Ruthless: strategic thinking and a a willingness to do ugly things for the greater good.

Colonist/War Hero: an iron will and fierce desire to protect others from harm.
Colonist/Sole Survivor: isolation and self-doubt.
Colonist/Ruthless: Vengeance and an internal struggle with one's own demons.

Earthborn/War Hero: Surprising resourcefulness and a desire to separate from the past.
Earthborn/Sole Survivor: mistrust and cynicism.
Earthborn/Ruthless: borderline psychosis and a complete disregard for authority.

It would have been nice if the game would have created some kind of third category for extra dialogue and side mission(s) from these combinations, as it stands they just exist in a vacuum from each other.

[leggywillow]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Anyway, each background combo sort of gives a "theme" to my Sheps:

Spacer/War Hero: idealism and optimism.
Spacer/Sole Survivor: guilt and disillusionment.
Spacer/Ruthless: strategic thinking and a a willingness to do ugly things for the greater good.

Colonist/War Hero: an iron will and fierce desire to protect others from harm.
Colonist/Sole Survivor: isolation and self-doubt.
Colonist/Ruthless: Vengeance and an internal struggle with one's own demons.

Earthborn/War Hero: Surprising resourcefulness and a desire to separate from the past.
Earthborn/Sole Survivor: mistrust and cynicism.
Earthborn/Ruthless: borderline psychosis and a complete disregard for authority.

I tend to feel the same way about most of these, except for the bolded ones.  Well, that's not true, they all can be role-played that way, I just haven't.  Mostly I haven't been able to get into the mindset of a Spacer/Ruthless, and I would attribute your description to my Earthborn/Ruthless instead.  She's actually seen real violence and ugliness on Earth, so the actual need for someone to make sacrifices for the greater good hits closer to home for her.  My Spacers usually can't be so... well, ruthless.  For them, I figure a peaceful childhood and formal education puts them in the mindset of always trying to find a more peaceful solution.

And I do agree with your Earthborn/Sole Survivor assessment, but I would add "intense survival instinct" to that.  My Earthborn/S.S.'s motto is pretty much "Just keep going."

[Vit246]

I like both Spacer and Earthborn equally. I always pick War Hero, it just makes the most sense to me.

Modifié par Vit246, 14 août 2011 - 05:30 .

[Vit246]

Double-posted.

Modifié par Vit246, 14 août 2011 - 05:30 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Seboist wrote...

It would have been nice if the game would have created some kind of third category for extra dialogue and side mission(s) from these combinations, as it stands they just exist in a vacuum from each other.

Well, you already have six unique sets of dialogue and missions sprinkled here and there, and those all branch out and affect other parts of the game.  I imagine that adding nine more to that would be a pain in the ass.

[In Exile]

LilyasAvalon wrote...
Ashley would make a c$%# Spectre in my opinion, she's racist for one thing. You really can't afford to be racist when you are a defender for the ENTIRE galaxy.

It's not like Shepard can't be a huge racist or anything. Could you imagine? A racist Spectre might let the Council die at some crucial moment to give a particular species a heads up and.... oh, wait. That's exactly what Shepard could do. 

[SandTrout]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

@AdmiralCheeze,

I get the sense that you don't like the sole-survivor background much...

It's the one I use the least, sure, but I listed negative qualities under it as my "Shepard themes" because there is no way anyone could come out of that experience with a more positive outlook on life.

Well, maybe they'd manage a shaky, "gee I sure was lucky," but honestly, would you enjoy watching your squad ripped out from under your feet by a giant space worm?

I'm just teasing, mostly. Of course I wouldn't enjoy watching my squad get ripped apart.

I've endured my share of trauma, though, and I can say that it is possible for a person to come out stronger, if they don't break. That's kind of the attitude I take with my Sole-survivor. He is able to keep tight control over his emotions because of the trials he's been through, allowing him to think clearly where others would act on instinct and emotion. He doesn't deny that he has emotions, he just doesn't let them decide his course of action.

[LilyasAvalon]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Of the psych profiles, I like Ruthless best (it gives Shep the qualifications for Spectrehood and multiple approaches to roleplay--is Shep just bloodthirsty or did he/she make a mistake and begin seeking redemption?), War Hero second, and Sole Survivor third.

Of the histories, Spacer is probably my favorite (least tragic, and it's cute to have the savior of the galaxy talk to his/her mom every once in a while). Colonist comes up second, and Earthborn is the most... meh.

Anyway, each background combo sort of gives a "theme" to my Sheps:

Spacer/War Hero: idealism and optimism.
Spacer/Sole Survivor: guilt and disillusionment.
Spacer/Ruthless: strategic thinking and a a willingness to do ugly things for the greater good.

Colonist/War Hero: an iron will and fierce desire to protect others from harm.
Colonist/Sole Survivor: isolation and self-doubt.
Colonist/Ruthless: Vengeance and an internal struggle with one's own demons.

Earthborn/War Hero: Surprising resourcefulness and a desire to separate from the past.
Earthborn/Sole Survivor: mistrust and cynicism.
Earthborn/Ruthless: borderline psychosis and a complete disregard for authority.

That's like, the best sum up I've ever seen of all the history/psych profiles. I'm kinda pleased my canon Shepard is a Colonist/War Hero. It'll be interesting to see how these affect ME3, since Casey has apparently confirmed that they will have a larger impact then they did in ME1 and ME2.