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#76
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Bluko wrote...

Ruthless just makes Shepard seem like the sort of person who views everyone as expendable to their goals. Sure sometimes you don't have a choice, but Ruthless Shepard seems like the nasty officer that continues to send soldier after soldier to clear a path through a minefield. While it's just a game I can't really pretend to validate such a Character as a "Hero".


I hadn't thought of the Ruthless psych profile like that.

I had thought of that profile more like the movie, Hamburger Hill, where Shepard is given impossible orders, but chooses to carry those orders out regardless of the cost.

Edit: darn link shall link

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Colonist and Sole Survivor


Nothing like surviving a massacre as a child and a massacre that you were set up for as a soldier to make you a bit of a headcase.

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I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 août 2011 - 06:21 .


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marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians

Sounds like Tom Berenger's character in Platoon is how I always pictured it.

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marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians


What about the part about sending members of you're team to die? Did you like that part?

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Colonist/Ruthless


Strangely enough my Shepard has no issue with batarians.

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TheKillerAngel wrote...

I don't like the Ruthless profile because good officers do not get large numbers of their men killed.


That's a rather... narrow view of what it means to be a good officer.  The fact is, sometimes, good officers don't have a choice.  If they want to complete their objective, the only way to do it is to spend their men's lives.  What seperates a good officer from a bad officer is that a good officer will do everything they can to save as many of their men as possible, and is competent enough that their efforts will actually make a difference.  A bad officer may be someone who spends their men's lives carelessly, or someone who isn't competent enough to save their men's lives, or who doesn't have the spine to order his/her men to their deaths when it has to be done.

The situation on Torfan, as it's described, was a nightmare.  The Batarians were dug into fortified, underground bunkers.  Fortifications are generally accepted as a ten to one force multiplier. I.E. you need ten men to take a fortification for every one man defending it.  That's the reason people build fortifications in the first place.  Take those fortifications and put them underground, and that ten to one number will very likely increase, in the defender's favor.  Shepard wasn't given discretionary orders.  The orders didn't read "And if you can take these Batarian outposts without to much trouble, that would be swell."  The orders were most likely something along the lines of "Dig those Batarian f*****s out of their holes."  Shepard did what had to be done to complete the mission.  And don't think for a second that Torfan was something that didn't need to happen, either.  If the Alliance hadn't spanked the Batarians, chances are the Alliance would have seen another Skyllian Blitz sooner or later.

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ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians


What about the part about sending members of you're team to die? Did you like that part?

Frankly, look at it this way:

D-Day..  your only choice was to land on the beach.  Lots of guys were going to die that was a given, did Eisenhower get all wishy washy about it?

Same goes for things like Iwo Jima and others.

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Ruthless seems to me like a Lt. Ronald Speirs type character. If you've ever seen Band of Brothers, you'll know who I'm talking about.

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marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians


To murder is to kill unjustly, that's not what ruthless Shepard did. :happy:

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leggywillow wrote...

Colonist is definitely my favorite background, followed by Spacer.  My favorite combination is Colonist/War Hero or Colonist/Ruthless.  My main Shepard is a Colonist/War Hero.  She's a Paragon, but she has some legitimate racist feelings towards batarians, so it's fun to role-play her trying to wrestle with those feelings when it comes to situations like Bring Down the Sky.

After those two, I'd have to go with Spacer/Sole Survivor, though I agree with the second poster that it's hard to imagine why "not dying" qualifies Shepard for the Spectres.  Maybe Shepard managed to take down a thresher maw?

Have you seen the size of those things?

Ignoring how mechanicly broken they were to the point you could take them down on foot in-game, It'd be pretty impressive if you made it through that ordeal without even knowing such things exist, and suddenly being ambushed by one.

And on top of that (by cannon) Shepard is an N7 agent, which is the highest rank of the special forces. So he's acomplished other notable feats.

Modifié par Bcuz, 14 août 2011 - 06:28 .


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CrazyCatDude wrote...
The situation on Torfan, as it's described, was a nightmare.  The Batarians were dug into fortified, underground bunkers.  Fortifications are generally accepted as a ten to one force multiplier. I.E. you need ten men to take a fortification for every one man defending it.  That's the reason people build fortifications in the first place.  Take those fortifications and put them underground, and that ten to one number will very likely increase, in the defender's favor.  Shepard wasn't given discretionary orders.  The orders didn't read "And if you can take these Batarian outposts without to much trouble, that would be swell."  The orders were most likely something along the lines of "Dig those Batarian f*****s out of their holes."  Shepard did what had to be done to complete the mission.  And don't think for a second that Torfan was something that didn't need to happen, either.  If the Alliance hadn't spanked the Batarians, chances are the Alliance would have seen another Skyllian Blitz sooner or later.


Couldn't they just drown the batarians? Or bury them alive, with orbital bombardment? I can't recall if there was ever a goal to actually save the slaves. 

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ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians


What about the part about sending members of you're team to die? Did you like that part?


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I prefer Spacer/Ruthless myself, though I've toyed with the idea of a Colonist/Ruthless for one of my play throughs. I like the Spacer background because I like that it gives Shepard a tradition of military service. I also like that Spacer Shep actually has parents floating around. Ruthless just seems to fit what a spectre should be, in my mind.

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GodWood wrote...

Colonist/Ruthless


Strangely enough my Shepard has no issue with batarians.


Same here, my Shepard is apathetic about Batarians as a whole but she gets very blood thirsty against slavers....

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KingNothing125 wrote...

Ruthless seems to me like a Lt. Ronald Speirs type character. If you've ever seen Band of Brothers, you'll know who I'm talking about.

"I just curled up in a ditch hoping that this would all be over"
"See, that's your problem, you have hope.  The sooner you admit this is a game and you are already dead, the sooner you can go about doing your job" -Speirs


It's something CLOSE to that I think.

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marshalleck wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians


What about the part about sending members of you're team to die? Did you like that part?


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That's a very ignorant thing to say. Shepard killed good people to save people. Not worth it, and never will.

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ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I just like the part about ruthlessShep murdering surrendering batarians


What about the part about sending members of you're team to die? Did you like that part?


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You're ignorance is not cute. No wonder Im a nihilist.

You're living proof of how ****ed up Humanity is.


How am I ignorant and how are you a nihilist. I see you write those words, but I don't see any evidence you know what they mean.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 août 2011 - 06:32 .


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^ /popcorn

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ThePwener wrote...
You're ignorance is not cute. No wonder Im a nihilist.

You're living proof of how ****ed up Humanity is.

It's true though.

You think WWI, WWII, or the American Civil and Revolutionary Wars would have stopped if someone had said "Nah, don't charge that hill/bunker/island/trench system...  I don't want anyone dieing"

?

Do you?

#96
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Gregolian wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
You're ignorance is not cute. No wonder Im a nihilist.

You're living proof of how ****ed up Humanity is.

It's true though.

You think WWI, WWII, or the American Civil and Revolutionary Wars would have stopped if someone had said "Nah, don't charge that hill/bunker/island/trench system...  I don't want anyone dieing"

?

Do you?


Hmm... I need to double check what I'm remembering about the Civil War, after reading that, since there was one General that did seem hesitant.

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Episode 3 of Band of Brothers, when they assault the manor at Brecourt is where I find most of the Speirs/Ruthless parallels.

1. Speirs wastes a group of German POWs... or so the rumor goes. Speirs never denies it, because he wants people to think he's the "meanest, toughest SOB in the whole Roman Legion" Ruthless Shepard is called the "Butcher of Torfan"; something pretty F'd up went down on that moon. Whether it was murder or just really bloody fighting, we'll never really know. Only that it was freakin' chaos and one hairy situation.

2. Speirs leads an assault on the last German 88, getting everyone in his squad but himself shot... causing members of Easy company to look on in disbelief/horror. Ruthless Shepard similarly had no hangups about getting his men killed on Torfan. He had a job to do, and he got it done. There are no style points awarded in war.

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
You're ignorance is not cute. No wonder Im a nihilist.

You're living proof of how ****ed up Humanity is.

It's true though.

You think WWI, WWII, or the American Civil and Revolutionary Wars would have stopped if someone had said "Nah, don't charge that hill/bunker/island/trench system...  I don't want anyone dieing"

?

Do you?


Hmm... I need to double check what I'm remembering about the Civil War, after reading that, since there was one General that did seem hesitant.

It was the one before Grant stepped in I believe.  But I was talking more along the lines of what Buford (I think that's his name) chose to do and tried to keep the high ground outside of Gettysburg or how Sherman willingly took his troops through Georgia.

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
You're ignorance is not cute. No wonder Im a nihilist.

You're living proof of how ****ed up Humanity is.

It's true though.

You think WWI, WWII, or the American Civil and Revolutionary Wars would have stopped if someone had said "Nah, don't charge that hill/bunker/island/trench system...  I don't want anyone dieing"

?

Do you?


Hmm... I need to double check what I'm remembering about the Civil War, after reading that, since there was one General that did seem hesitant.

Ohh, that's tickling my memory. I can't remember his name. He was a pretty big failure though. Got relieved of his command.

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
You're ignorance is not cute. No wonder Im a nihilist.

You're living proof of how ****ed up Humanity is.

It's true though.

You think WWI, WWII, or the American Civil and Revolutionary Wars would have stopped if someone had said "Nah, don't charge that hill/bunker/island/trench system...  I don't want anyone dieing"

?

Do you?


Hmm... I need to double check what I'm remembering about the Civil War, after reading that, since there was one General that did seem hesitant.

Indeed, all Union Generals were screw ups until General "The Original Badass" Grant came along.
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