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[ThePwener]

nranola wrote...

I'm a fan of Colonist/Sole Survivor. I like me my tragic figures.

I prefer the hard start of the Earthborn and the total badass he turned out to be in War Hero.

Earthborn also has the most detachment and the most mistery of all the backgrouds. I hope we find out more about it in ME3.

[Praetor Knight]

Bluko wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Ruthless just makes Shepard seem like the sort of person who views everyone as expendable to their goals. Sure sometimes you don't have a choice, but Ruthless Shepard seems like the nasty officer that continues to send soldier after soldier to clear a path through a minefield. While it's just a game I can't really pretend to validate such a Character as a "Hero".

I hadn't thought of the Ruthless psych profile like that.

I had thought of that profile more like the movie, Hamburger Hill, where Shepard is given impossible orders, but chooses to carry those orders out regardless of the cost.

Edit: darn link shall link

Well I understand it can be viewed or interpreted that way. In that Shepard didn't really have any other choice and that they just had bad luck. To me anyways Ruthless Shepard is the sort who would see Jenkin's death as being no big deal.

Either way Ruthless Shepard gets lots of people killed, which is not in my opinion good leadership regardless of intention.

I didn't consider the luck factor myself, either. I had the sense of duty as a main motivator for a Ruthless Shep though.



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*and back to reading history stuff*

[GodWood]

ThePwener wrote...

GodWood wrote...
As a nihilist you shouldn't even care about sacrificing a few inoccent lives.

Okay, go and google what "nihilism" means and then come back.

Umm I think you need to bud.

Nihilists believe nothing has any meaning, purpose or inherent value. (Life included)
Thus as a nihilist the sacrficing of innocent lives should have no effect on you as you believe that their lives have no inherent value.

[Praetor Knight]

ThePwener wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Wait, how could the US have prevented WWI?

I was  thinking of WWII actually.....



Godwin's law is so perfect.

Hmm... okay so what if runners did get promotions?

[Johnny34]

Colonist/Sole Survivor was my first shepard...man just can't catch a break.

[Gregolian]

SandTrout wrote...

@ThePwener,

Actually, if the French had been willing to force the Germans out of the Rhinland, which was supposed to be a DMZ buffer between the nations, a lot of historians predict that Germany might not can continued with the easy pickings of Europe.

WW2 occurred in as large of a scope as it did due to lack of ability to stomach the idea of actually enforcing a treaty through force of arms. Your example supports the idea of a Ruthless Shepard as someone willing to spend lives to save lives.

WW2 happened cause the League of Nations...  like the UN...  is a bunch of idiots that don't know what they are doing.

[Bcuz]

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

If it makes you feel any better, I've got a pretty thick skin and your post really didn't bother me. 

Good for you. Now let's continue the topic before it gets closed.

Indeed.

In my opinion War Hero is just cliche, there's no kick to it, sole survivor puts you through a tragity which shapes your military life, and ruthless gives your character the renegade edge right from the start.

War Hero makes you... an awsome commander? Well i'll be darned the lead protaginist is awsome.

[Gregolian]

GodWood wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

GodWood wrote...
As a nihilist you shouldn't even care about sacrificing a few inoccent lives.

Okay, go and google what "nihilism" means and then come back.

Umm I think you need to bud.

Nihilists believe nothing has any meaning, purpose or inherent value. (Life included)
Thus as a nihilist the sacrficing of innocent lives should have no effect on you as you believe that their lives have no inherent value.

Nihilism is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical, or ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that contrary to popular belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

ThePwener wrote...

nranola wrote...

I'm a fan of Colonist/Sole Survivor. I like me my tragic figures.

I prefer the hard start of the Earthborn and the total badass he turned out to be in War Hero. 

Earthborn also has the most detachment and the most mistery of all the backgrouds. I hope we find out more about it in ME3.

Is all we know about the Earthborn is that he either ran with or had contact with a street gang at some point?

[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

1.a: a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless

you seem to argue quite fervently in favor of a traditional, modern western moral value system, i.e. that my post about sacrificing soldiers to obtain an objective was repugnant, because either A) human life should not be callously disregarded, or soldiers should not be compared to eggs

take your pick

A) Because Im a reluctant nihilist.
 
I just hate Human society as a whole and how Humans just can't get along. Sounds childish, I know, but it's what I feel.

You'd really freak out if I said how I'd like the world to be. Read "The Giver", it's a great book.

[Thestral]

Earthborn War Hero.

Modifié par Thestral, 14 août 2011 - 07:24 .

[nranola]

ThePwener wrote...

I prefer the hard start of the Earthborn and the total badass he turned out to be in War Hero.

Earthborn also has the most detachment and the most mistery of all the backgrouds. I hope we find out more about it in ME3.

Mm, Earthborns do have a very isolated appeal to them. Paired with War Hero it makes for a classic "rose up from nothing" story. I like it. I'll have to give it a try at least once.

I like Colonist/Sole Survivor because it really piles on the survivor's guilt. It's interesting to roleplay how Shepard deals with it, especially in ME2 where death is the prevailing theme.

[Bcuz]

*there was a post here, now its gone*

Modifié par Bcuz, 14 août 2011 - 07:13 .

[ThePwener]

Gregolian wrote...

Is all we know about the Earthborn is that he either ran with or had contact with a street gang at some point?

Pretty much.

1) Nobody knows anything prior to him joining the gang

2) Shepard himself shows to be very tight-lipped about it.

And he joined the gang in his teens, so who knows what happened in his childhood.

Modifié par ThePwener, 14 août 2011 - 07:13 .

[Gregolian]

nranola wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I prefer the hard start of the Earthborn and the total badass he turned out to be in War Hero.

Earthborn also has the most detachment and the most mistery of all the backgrouds. I hope we find out more about it in ME3.

Mm, Earthborns do have a very isolated appeal to them. Paired with War Hero it makes for a classic "rose up from nothing" story. I like it. I'll have to give it a try at least once.

I like Colonist/Sole Survivor because it really piles on the survivor's guilt. It's interesting to roleplay how Shepard deals with it, especially in ME2 where death is the prevailing theme.

I was sad your past wasn't brought up more in ME2.  Which means, basically not at all.<_<<_<

[Gregolian]

ThePwener wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

Is all we know about the Earthborn is that he either ran with or had contact with a street gang at some point?

Pretty much.

1) Nobody knows anything prior to him joining the gang

2) Shepard himself shows to be very tight-lipped about it.

And he joined the gang in his teens, so who knows what happened in his childhood.

If he joined a gang I hope it wasn't a Crips/Blood type streent gang and was a badass gang like from Godfather, Departed, or Green Street Hooligans...  NO GTA: SAN ANDRES GANGS PLEASE!

[ThePwener]

Gregolian wrote...
I was sad your past wasn't brought up more in ME2.  Which means, basically not at all.<_<<_<

BW recognized this and in ME3, Shepard's past will play a big role in the main plot. I wonder how it will change it. I hope they elaborate upon it.

[Bcuz]

Gregolian wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

Is all we know about the Earthborn is that he either ran with or had contact with a street gang at some point?

Pretty much.

1) Nobody knows anything prior to him joining the gang

2) Shepard himself shows to be very tight-lipped about it.

And he joined the gang in his teens, so who knows what happened in his childhood.

If he joined a gang I hope it wasn't a Crips/Blood type streent gang and was a badass gang like from Godfather, Departed, or Green Street Hooligans...  NO GTA: SAN ANDRES GANGS PLEASE!

I believe what you are refering to is the mafia.

[ThePwener]

Gregolian wrote...

If he joined a gang I hope it wasn't a Crips/Blood type streent gang and was a badass gang like from Godfather, Departed, or Green Street Hooligans...  NO GTA: SAN ANDRES GANGS PLEASE!

No, just a gang of common street urchins who lived.... in the street (go figure).

[GodWood]

Gregolian wrote...
Nihilism is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical, or ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that contrary to popular belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Correct

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[nranola]

Gregolian wrote...

I was sad your past wasn't brought up more in ME2. &nbsp;Which means, basically not at all.<_<<_<

Well, Akuze was brought up once or twice. The Sole Survivor background makes for an interesting dynamic with Cerberus. Colonist? Not much love for it, sadly. I really hope it gets some attention come ME3. No idea how it can be done, but still.

Actually, I wonder if the Colonist background will be brought up in Shepard's trial. You know, history with batarian slavers and all.

Modifié par nranola, 14 août 2011 - 07:19 .

[Gregolian]

Bcuz wrote...
I believe what you are refering to is the mafia.

Yeah, I realize that's what I am leaning to but basically, anything but a bunch of thugs.  Even if it's a gang like the one Statham's character is in with Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels or something like the Wild Bunch from Rocknrolla I would be more happy with.

nranola wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

I was sad your past wasn't brought up more in ME2. &nbsp;Which means, basically not at all.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Well, Akuze was brought up once or twice. The Sole Survivor history makes for an interesting dynamic with Cerberus. Colonist? Not much love for it, sadly. I really hope it gets some attention come ME3. No idea how it can be done, but still.

Colonist I bet we may end up BACK at the colony of our childhood at some point.  At least I hope we would.

[ThePwener]

GodWood wrote...

Gregolian wrote...
Nihilism is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical, or ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that contrary to popular belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Correct

Like I said, Im a reluctant nihilist.

In a way you'll more easily understand..... Thane hates to kill (my gun did it!) yet he continues to do so because it is all he knows. I watch the news and all I see is death, war and murder caused being brought upon Humanity by itself. there is good in us, but not as much as there should be.

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

1.a: a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless

you seem to argue quite fervently in favor of a traditional, modern western moral value system, i.e. that my post about sacrificing soldiers to obtain an objective was repugnant, because either A) human life should not be callously disregarded, or soldiers should not be compared to eggs

take your pick

A) Because Im a reluctant nihilist.
 
I just hate Human society as a whole and how Humans just can't get along. Sounds childish, I know, but it's what I feel.

You'd really freak out if I said how I'd like the world to be. Read "The Giver", it's a great book.

From the description, it seems similar to Brave New World. If that is an ideal to you, I hope you never get any sort of power.

Are you familiar with Atlas Shrugged? I think that you might find it enlightening.

[Praetor Knight]

ThePwener wrote...

You'd really freak out if I said how I'd like the world to be. Read "The Giver", it's a great book.

Sorta reminds me of the movie, Equilibrium in a way, with a possible ending of Repo Men, but I could be wrong with that impression.

[ThePwener]

nranola wrote...

Actually, I wonder if the Colonist background will be brought up in Shepard's trial. You know, history with batarian slavers and all.

Interestingly enough, both the war Here and colonist backgrouds deal with Batarians to some extent. Sole Survivor doesn't though, since there the threat is closer to home.