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[jackalj2]

If you got your spectre status back in ME2, will you loose it again in the trial at earth in ME3?

I think they cannot do that, since you got the spectre status from the council and your trial is being held at earth, so nobody on earth could take that from you. Unless the council members are there. But in that case, arent spectres "above the law"? Doing things for the better of the galaxy/council.

[Robhuzz]

I'll tell you the definitive answer March next year but naturally the alliance cannot take away a Spectre status because it's granted by the council. We also know the council doesn't care if a Spectre kills 100.000 people or more on a mission, as long as the mission is completed, that's what 'being above the law' is for. Of course that doesn't mean the affected people won't try to get even with a Spectre, the council doesn't have any power over the independent governments of the citadel races so those are free to put a Spectre on trial, the council can do nothing to prevent that.

[_Sylar_]

I'm guessing that this would be exactly why Shepard is on the trial.Killing all those Batarians for the sake of the rest of the universe and it would be likely to involve his spectre status.But with the invasion of the Reapers in the middle of the trial,I doubt it that his status will be taken away.And he has an universe to unite,so he needs it.

[Wulfram]

I'm pretty sure the council does care about civilian casualties, if they seem excessive. After all, Anderson's Spectre candidacy was scuppered by the civilian casualties he was blamed for on the mission with Saren.

Modifié par Wulfram, 14 août 2011 - 10:23 .

[AnimaTempli101]

I accept all the points given however I have the slight feeling that, to avoid a war with the Batarians, the Council may sell Shepard down the river.

[jackalj2]

for as far as i know anderson wasn't a spectre, he was on a mission that could make him a spectre. And with the mission failed he never had a chance at spectre status.

Well it would be cool to keep your spectre status, since ashley/kaidan also have spectre status. And i hate to see one of my crew members having a higher rank/position than me

[FoxShadowblade]

Well I know from Game Informer that Anderson reinstates Shepard's Alliance Rank, so it could be that even if you do lose Spectre status, you still have some weight behind you.

Doubtful if your a paragon though, the Alliance will be like: "Do you want to lose your Spectre status"

Harbinger: "Sup guys?"
Alliance: "OMFG save us"
Shepard: "...Really?"

[NICKjnp]

Since you have the option to get it back or not in ME2 then I'm guessing being one or not at the start of and throughout the game will be an option. My guess with all those Batarian husks at the start though is that the Batarian homeworld was the first to be hit....so no more complaints from them. And Spectre status will make a big difference on the homeworlds of the council species.

As for a spectre killing innocent civilians...Saran did that and he had his status revoked.

[jackalj2]

in the case of Saren, wasnt that also because the council finally had proof that he was working with the geth?

[knightnblu]

The Council already believes that Shepard is looney tunes, with the destruction of an entire star system, a mass relay, and 304K+ Batarians, I don't think that the Council is going to have any heartburn revoking his Spectre status and declaring him rogue. Shepard is on his way to a military tribunal in irons.

[Robhuzz]

If I have anything to say about it, the council won't be around nearly long enough to revoke Shepard's spectre status. Then again, Spectres are authorized by the council so without them the title 'Spectre' means absolutely nothing..

[Elvis_Mazur]

Shepard eliminated an entire solar system because of ships the Council doesn't even believe to exist.

Of course they would do something about that.

[yejo]

Seeing as Udina is the Human Council member in the books and i am guessing at the start of ME3 aswell (Anderson will step down to help kill reapers i guess).
Shep is pretty screwed seeing as the council thinks shepard is bonkers for believing in the reapers (they only gave him the SPECTRE status back as a thank you).
Udina doesn't fancy SHep that much aswell so he is gonne be scapegoated to avoid war with the Batarians.
Then again mys canon shep would want that as she is a paragade who looks at the bigger picture and wants a united universe against the reapers.

[Td1984]

jackalj2 wrote...

If you got your spectre status back in ME2, will you loose it again in the trial at earth in ME3?

I think they cannot do that, since you got the spectre status from the council and your trial is being held at earth, so nobody on earth could take that from you. Unless the council members are there. But in that case, arent spectres "above the law"? Doing things for the better of the galaxy/council.

I think so, as one of the stipulations of you regaining Spectre status was to not call attention to yourself. Um, I do believe blowing up a Mass Relay and killing 300k Batarians qualifies as calling attention to yourself.

[Gregolian]

Td1984 wrote...

jackalj2 wrote...

If you got your spectre status back in ME2, will you loose it again in the trial at earth in ME3?

I think they cannot do that, since you got the spectre status from the council and your trial is being held at earth, so nobody on earth could take that from you. Unless the council members are there. But in that case, arent spectres "above the law"? Doing things for the better of the galaxy/council.

I think so, as one of the stipulations of you regaining Spectre status was to not call attention to yourself. Um, I do believe blowing up a Mass Relay and killing 300k Batarians qualifies as calling attention to yourself.

That was outside of Council space though wasn't it?

[Robhuzz]

Gregolian wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

jackalj2 wrote...

If you got your spectre status back in ME2, will you loose it again in the trial at earth in ME3?

I think they cannot do that, since you got the spectre status from the council and your trial is being held at earth, so nobody on earth could take that from you. Unless the council members are there. But in that case, arent spectres "above the law"? Doing things for the better of the galaxy/council.

I think so, as one of the stipulations of you regaining Spectre status was to not call attention to yourself. Um, I do believe blowing up a Mass Relay and killing 300k Batarians qualifies as calling attention to yourself.

That was outside of Council space though wasn't it?

Batarians are no citadel race any more so Batarian space doesn't qualify as citadel space.

And it took presenting evidence of Saren's involvement with the geth to make the council revoke his spectre status. I'll be surprised if there's any hard evidence of Shepard blowing up that star system. The people on the normandy know, but if they talked it would be one testimony which is 'hardly compelling proof' as the salarian councillor would call it. All other witnesses are dead...

[MACharlie1]

Tela Vasir = Nihlus (and speaking of Vasir, she basically frames Shepard and Cerberus for blowing up the trade center)
Bahak System = Eden Prime
Geth = Cerberus
Liara = Benezia
Ash/Kaidan = Shepard
Maryanna (LotSB) the traumatized waitress = Powell the traumatized dock worker

[bleetman]

I'm sure my Shepard will be traumatized at being stripped of her Spectre status and all associated council support. Those guys have been so helpful these past few years.

[toolfan9284]

jackalj2 wrote...

If you got your spectre status back in ME2, will you loose it again in the trial at earth in ME3?

I think they cannot do that, since you got the spectre status from the council and your trial is being held at earth, so nobody on earth could take that from you. Unless the council members are there. But in that case, arent spectres "above the law"? Doing things for the better of the galaxy/council.

No for the reasons you stated, he might no longer be called "Commander" but w/e

[KingDan97]

If Shepard loses his status it will only be up until the point where the reapers are climbing in yo atmospheres, sleeping in yo seas. Hide yo council hide yo ships because they be nuking everyone.

Right after that I'm fairly certain the Council will accept Shepard's statement as proven fact as opposed to the mad ramblings of a man who committed genocide. I'm pretty sure the Alliance will accept it also.

On the matter of whether or not he's a commander, he hasn't technically been once since ME1, because he died and was therefore decommissioned as an officer. The only option that existed to reinstate you was to the Spectres,

[lovgreno]

It seems like the writers abandonded the relevancy of Shepards spectre status when it was decided that he/she was going to be demoted to become Cerberus janitor for failed projects. And after nuking all those batarians I fear it is going to be the old tired cliche about the lonewolf hero who takes on armies basicaly solo in ME3.

[Ryan-The-Red]

Since the batarians live outside Council space, the fact that Shepard killed thousands might start another galactic war. So, the Council might strip Shepard of his Spectre status to appease the batarians and so Shepard can be held accountable for his actions in trial.

It would be interesting if Shepard was no longer a Spectre and he would, in fact, have to take orders from Ashley/Kaidan in Mass Effect 3.

[Funkcase]

Robhuzz wrote...

I'll tell you the definitive answer March next year but naturally the alliance cannot take away a Spectre status because it's granted by the council. We also know the council doesn't care if a Spectre kills 100.000 people or more on a mission, as long as the mission is completed, that's what 'being above the law' is for. Of course that doesn't mean the affected people won't try to get even with a Spectre, the council doesn't have any power over the independent governments of the citadel races so those are free to put a Spectre on trial, the council can do nothing to prevent that.

I think they will revoke Shepards Spectre status, it wasn't an assignment from the council, it was from the Alliance (but not the councillor) And the council dont believe Shepard. To them (and probably almost everyone else in the galaxy) Shepard commited genocide and has likely started a galactic war. Shepard is in trouble, and he could take the Alliance down with him for what happend (although it was necessary)

Modifié par Funkcase, 15 août 2011 - 02:18 .

[Robhuzz]

Funkcase wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I'll tell you the definitive answer March next year but naturally the alliance cannot take away a Spectre status because it's granted by the council. We also know the council doesn't care if a Spectre kills 100.000 people or more on a mission, as long as the mission is completed, that's what 'being above the law' is for. Of course that doesn't mean the affected people won't try to get even with a Spectre, the council doesn't have any power over the independent governments of the citadel races so those are free to put a Spectre on trial, the council can do nothing to prevent that.

I think they will revoke Shepards Spectre status, it wasn't an assignment from the council, it was from the Alliance (but not the councillor) And the council dont believe Shepard. To them (and probably almost everyone else in the galaxy) Shepard commited genocide and has likely started a galactic war. Shepard is in trouble, and he could take the Alliance down with him for what happend (although it was necessary)

What you're saying does make sense, maybe Shepard's status IS revoked in ME3. I've been thinking about it lately and I figured it doesn't really matter at all. In ME1 it was all about Shepard, the first human spectre, bringing down the great Saren Arterius. In ME2 the rank, whether you were reinstated or not, did not matter at all. Sure it sounds better when you say "You think you're going to run in a spectre?" instead of saying 'former spectre' and you can get a discount at one store on zakera ward but that's all.

In ME3 we'll be fighting a galactic war where all that matters is survival. Humans will still (I hope) be looking to Shepard, regardless of his rank, for leadership so whether you finish ME3 as Spectre Shepard or Commander Shepard shouldn't change a thing. If anything, playing as commander Shepard shows you're fighting for the alliance, being a spectre shows you're fighting for the council...

[Funkcase]

Robhuzz wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I'll tell you the definitive answer March next year but naturally the alliance cannot take away a Spectre status because it's granted by the council. We also know the council doesn't care if a Spectre kills 100.000 people or more on a mission, as long as the mission is completed, that's what 'being above the law' is for. Of course that doesn't mean the affected people won't try to get even with a Spectre, the council doesn't have any power over the independent governments of the citadel races so those are free to put a Spectre on trial, the council can do nothing to prevent that.

I think they will revoke Shepards Spectre status, it wasn't an assignment from the council, it was from the Alliance (but not the councillor) And the council dont believe Shepard. To them (and probably almost everyone else in the galaxy) Shepard commited genocide and has likely started a galactic war. Shepard is in trouble, and he could take the Alliance down with him for what happend (although it was necessary)

What you're saying does make sense, maybe Shepard's status IS revoked in ME3. I've been thinking about it lately and I figured it doesn't really matter at all. In ME1 it was all about Shepard, the first human spectre, bringing down the great Saren Arterius. In ME2 the rank, whether you were reinstated or not, did not matter at all. Sure it sounds better when you say "You think you're going to run in a spectre?" instead of saying 'former spectre' and you can get a discount at one store on zakera ward but that's all.

In ME3 we'll be fighting a galactic war where all that matters is survival. Humans will still (I hope) be looking to Shepard, regardless of his rank, for leadership so whether you finish ME3 as Spectre Shepard or Commander Shepard shouldn't change a thing. If anything, playing as commander Shepard shows you're fighting for the alliance, being a spectre shows you're fighting for the council...

I agree, I dont think the title will matter come ME3 when the truth about the Reapers is revealed to the rest of the galaxy. And judging by the Salarian councillor being seen on the Normandy, the Council might give him his status back, although I'm sure with the truth being revealed people wouldn't care about the title or rank, Shepard is all they will care about, Shepard is a big title itself now. Shepard doesn't need to be called Spectre, or Commander, no matter what, Shepard seems to command loyalty and people will follow.