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[Zoikster]

 Laidlaw: “If I’m going to ****** you guys off, it’s going to be because I still firmly believe that RPGs do need to be more accessible to new players,” Laidlaw adds. “Not diminished, but made less imposing and less terrifying to new players. In part because I want more people to play Dragon Age, and in part because there have been a lot of improvements in gameplay and UI design in the past 15 years, and we can learn from them.”

And this bit.

 “I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: we stripped some stuff out of DA becuase it was busted”

Exactly what was busted? I'd love some clarification. What exactly was so "imposing" about DA:O? I introducted several people to it who weren't familiar with the RPG genre who absolutely loved it; and hated DA 2. A lot of casual types adored the game. Laidlaw has made some serious miscalculations here.I just can't wrap my mind around his throught process except to think that EA says to dumb the game down to try and draw a larger audience. Which obviously would/has backfired. Can we at least stop blaming DA 2 problems on Origins?

Here is the link

Sorry, just had to vent. 

Modifié par Zoikster, 14 août 2011 - 07:37 .

[David Gaider]

Zoikster wrote...
Exactly what was busted? I'd love some clarification. What exactly was so "imposing" about DA:O? I introducted several people to it who weren't familiar with the RPG genre who absolutely loved it; and hated DA 2. A lot of casual types adored the game. Laidlaw has made some serious miscalculations here.I just can't wrap my mind around his throught process except to think that EA says to dumb the game down to try and draw a larger audience. Which obviously would/has backfired. Can we at least stop blaming DA 2 problems on Origins?

While I can't speak for Mike specifically, a quick comment:

Origins was not a perfect game. It's perfectly acceptable to like a game despite its flaws (as every game has them), but from a design perspective it would be inexcusable to say that just because a game was good that means everything about it was good.

It would also be incorrect to suggest that just because some things didn't work that none of them did. Mike neither said nor implied that all of DAO was "busted"-- he said some things were, and those things he wanted to change.

While it might be difficult for a fan to understand (not because they're unintelligent, but because from your end it's indistinguishable), not everything that is changed from one game to the next is a deliberate design choice-- like the area re-use, for instance. So it would be a mistake to look at every change made between DAO and DA2 and assume they were all just that. The original thread where Mike made these comments is an excellent place to look for his thoughts on this front.

So nobody's "blaming" DAO for anything-- but neither do we put it on a pedestal. We worked on DAO's issues just as we'll work on DA2's issues, changing the things we believe didn't work and the things we want to change, based on what we can afford with the resources at hand. As to what will change about DA2, as Mike has said we'll talk more about this in time... and I believe his comments offer excellent insight, provided you're willing to take them at face value.

[John Epler]

Haexpane wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Because Bioware wrote this
"""This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available for pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now.""""

Yes, and on January 11th they stopped having it available for pre-order. So what is the problem here?

The problem, is only on my end.  Bioware has their money, they see no problem.  I bought the Sig Ed under the *premise* (clearly laid out in black and white)  that it would never again be available and I was getting exclusive content.  My mistake.  I won't make it again.  

As has been explained to you time and time again, if a retailer chose to order more stock of the Signature Edition than they actually had outstanding orders for, or if people chose to cancel their pre-order and leave them with extra stock, that is the retailer's business. You were not bamboozled. You were not lied to. We said that we would not be making any more copies of the Signature Edition after the pre-orders were filled, and we didn't. Whatever stock still exists in the retail pipeline is the business of the retailer in question. It is their property, and they can dispose of it as they see fit.

Anyways. Since this thread has degenerated into bickering and namecalling, I'm locking it, with a few bans handed out to those who feel that requirements for civility and reasonable discussion don't apply to them.